Recruit Notebook - Jamal Carter

[PAL305]

Everything sounded like strong safety until "While he figures to be the backup to Freshman All-American Deon Bush".

My thoughts exactly.

I think Carter's speed could play at either position. He may, in fact, play Strong Safety when all is said and done.

At the end of the day it doesn't really matter what safety postion he plays, as long as he's doing it for the []_[] i'm happy.

 

[Larry]

Everything sounded like strong safety until "While he figures to be the backup to Freshman All-American Deon Bush".

the idea of free and strong safety has become a bit archaic, really.

Also true. Having 2 players of Bush and Carter's skillset and caliber allows for either to assume whatever role in the defense is needed on a given play.

Considering how the spread and complex passing games has changed football at all levels, the idea of safeties needing to be more well rounded has never been more important. Attacking and exploiting safety play is what offenses do now in the passing game. Nearly everything an offense does in the passing game is looking to exploit safeties and getting them to **** up or be even a half step out of position.

As we've discussed in the past, what this does is mitigate the importance of superstar athletes and actually gives more value to "headier" players. However, this happens a lot more in the NFL than in College.

Its more obvious in the NFL because the QBs can make the throws that need to be made and the pass catchers are better equipped and coached up to run the complimentary routes that make those plays work.

Gomer Manning will become one of, if not the GOAT at his position, because no one was better than turning safeties into puppets. At the college level, the QBs by at large can't hit the soft spots between the safety and corner outside the hash, there aren't a ton of TEs that can run the seam or even asked to do so, and wide outs aren't equipped to run the complimentary routes with precision like they need to be.

 

[88]

Everything sounded like strong safety until "While he figures to be the backup to Freshman All-American Deon Bush".

the idea of free and strong safety has become a bit archaic, really.

Then why was he mentioned as a backup for Bush and not pushing for Jenkins safety spot or either of the two, it seemed as though he thought Carter was better suited for free safety, or whatever it is Bush is playing.

I'm willing to guarantee both of you know more about X and O's than I do so this is a question more than anything. But in a cover three isn't one of the advantages of it having a safety closer to the box while the other plays a more free safety like deep third? Is it archaic in the aspect that either safety should be able to switch rolls, because it seems like one safety in the scheme should be the better run stopper than the other.

 

[JHallCanes]

Been a while since we had safeties that struck fear in the hearts of WRs. Bush and Carter will change that. I like Jenkins but Carter already has that killer safety mentality. He just wants to knockpeople out.

 

[JHallCanes]

Also should add that Carter is one of the few real safety prospects to come through here lately.

I'm excited to see what Williams can do with him since its most likely because of Williams that we started two freshmen that were not safeties before they got to campus, and they both played well (in Bush's case very well)

 

[88]

Been a while since we had safeties that struck fear in the hearts of WRs. Bush and Carter will change that. I like Jenkins but Carter already has that killer safety mentality. He just wants to knockpeople out.

If Burns plays safety we might just be two deep with punishing athletic safeties. If we can get two stud DT's in here, and considering the linebacker class coming in we may actually have a "Miami caliber" two deep for the first time in who knows.

With the talent Golden's compiling coach D might not have a chance to **** it up.

 

[JHallCanes]

Been a while since we had safeties that struck fear in the hearts of WRs. Bush and Carter will change that. I like Jenkins but Carter already has that killer safety mentality. He just wants to knockpeople out.

If Burns plays safety we might just be two deep with punishing athletic safeties. If we can get two stud DT's in here, and considering the linebacker class coming in we may actually have a "Miami caliber" two deep for the first time in who knows.

With the talent Golden's compiling coach D might not have a chance to **** it up.

Its just nice to see some depth where a kid isn't forced to play anywhere right away. Burns can just get to campus and we can put him where he is best, though I admit I have no idea where that will be.

 

[LuCane]

the idea of free and strong safety has become a bit archaic, really.

Also true. Having 2 players of Bush and Carter's skillset and caliber allows for either to assume whatever role in the defense is needed on a given play.

Considering how the spread and complex passing games has changed football at all levels, the idea of safeties needing to be more well rounded has never been more important. Attacking and exploiting safety play is what offenses do now in the passing game. Nearly everything an offense does in the passing game is looking to exploit safeties and getting them to **** up or be even a half step out of position.

As we've discussed in the past, what this does is mitigate the importance of superstar athletes and actually gives more value to "headier" players. However, this happens a lot more in the NFL than in College.

Its more obvious in the NFL because the QBs can make the throws that need to be made and the pass catchers are better equipped and coached up to run the complimentary routes that make those plays work.

Gomer Manning will become one of, if not the GOAT at his position, because no one was better than turning safeties into puppets. At the college level, the QBs by at large can't hit the soft spots between the safety and corner outside the hash, there aren't a ton of TEs that can run the seam or even asked to do so, and wide outs aren't equipped to run the complimentary routes with precision like they need to be.

Yes. A few other reasons that have to do with QB progressions as well, but yes.

 

[Canesfan1899]

Been a while since we had safeties that struck fear in the hearts of WRs. Bush and Carter will change that. I like Jenkins but Carter already has that killer safety mentality. He just wants to knockpeople out.

Love Carter as well, but Jenkins was throwing his weight around quite a bit by the end of the season. Like what we are putting together in the secondary and at LB.

 

[LuCane]

Also should add that Carter is one of the few real safety prospects to come through here lately.

I'm excited to see what Williams can do with him since its most likely because of Williams that we started two freshmen that were not safeties before they got to campus, and they both played well (in Bush's case very well)

I think it'll make most sense to throw Burns at Corner and see if he hits, because our starting Safeties next year are Bush and Jenkins. If Carter comes to work, you throw in the guys who grabbed experience this year, and you have a completely different situation than what we saw. I won't cringe every time the QB stops at 3 steps and throws a slant or seam route.

 

[deleted3746]

Real excited about Jamal and getting back into Southridge. My only concern is his durability from the way he plays. Can anyone tell me if he played the entire season this year?

 

[Bigtip]

How does Carter compare to Jenkins (or really, based on the reports out of the UA game, how does Jenkins compare to Carter)? Similar measurables as far as height and weight, both were state champion hurdlers.

Just excited to see big fast guys across the board in the secondary again.

Carter is an ELITE athlete. Jenkins is not IMO. I don't think they compare very well

 

[JHallCanes]

Also should add that Carter is one of the few real safety prospects to come through here lately.

I'm excited to see what Williams can do with him since its most likely because of Williams that we started two freshmen that were not safeties before they got to campus, and they both played well (in Bush's case very well)

I think it'll make most sense to throw Burns at Corner and see if he hits, because our starting Safeties next year are Bush and Jenkins. If Carter comes to work, you throw in the guys who grabbed experience this year, and you have a completely different situation than what we saw. I won't cringe every time the QB stops at 3 steps and throws a slant or seam route.

I agree with you but also think Burns is good enough to challenge Jenkins. Just think of the progress Bush and Jenkins made at safety and then figure a guy like Burns who has Bush type qualities and I can't put it past him.

I know you and I expected a bit more out of Crawford so he is one I have my eye on as far as covering the slot next year. Gunter played some good football but with McGee gone, Burns could challenge Howard and co. as well. Exciting prospects for sure.

 

[LuCane]

Also should add that Carter is one of the few real safety prospects to come through here lately.

I'm excited to see what Williams can do with him since its most likely because of Williams that we started two freshmen that were not safeties before they got to campus, and they both played well (in Bush's case very well)

I think it'll make most sense to throw Burns at Corner and see if he hits, because our starting Safeties next year are Bush and Jenkins. If Carter comes to work, you throw in the guys who grabbed experience this year, and you have a completely different situation than what we saw. I won't cringe every time the QB stops at 3 steps and throws a slant or seam route.

I agree with you but also think Burns is good enough to challenge Jenkins. Just think of the progress Bush and Jenkins made at safety and then figure a guy like Burns who has Bush type qualities and I can't put it past him.

I know you and I expected a bit more out of Crawford so he is one I have my eye on as far as covering the slot next year. Gunter played some good football but with McGee gone, Burns could challenge Howard and co. as well. Exciting prospects for sure.

I like Jenkins a decent amount, maybe that's why. Remember, he was only a RS Frosh himself.

 

[sotacane22]

i think bush jenkins burns and carter should all be on the field at the same time howard as nickel

 

[sotacane22]

carter and jenkins at safety bush and burns at corner

 

[NDE]

Excellent, Excellent analysis!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you. no one from any board writes and dissects a player like you.

 

[DMoney]

Could see him playing the role Antrel Rolle plays with the Giants. He is big and mean enough to play in the box and athletic enough to cover the slot receiver.

 

[weownfsu]

Jenkins is an excellent athlete. One of the rangiest guys we've had here in years.

 

[-Blazed-]

Where is senior highlight tape?