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2023 RB Mark Fletcher (commits to OSU* & De-Commits)

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calinative umstudent said:
But thats exactly the point. If you only allow for one player to be generational, then if there is any debate about who the generational player is, then none of them can be labeled generational. I love Ed and definitely think he was the best safety but it isn't crazy if someone thinks Troy ******* Polamalu was the best...

Seriously who is going to argue that Peyton Manning and Tom Brady both weren't generational QBs? And again Mahomes, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, etc... Like Generational clearly isn't literal when discussing football players.
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Brady and Manning both generational.
Mahomes most likely generational. Allen burrow doubtful.
There can be 2-3 generational players playing at a time. There were other elites playing with brady and manning- ex- favre was elite but not generational.

Reed generational- polomalu elite but not generational. Anyone that argues they are equal they are wrong. Taylor would have been generational.

Each of those players have a generational skill-
Brady- winning, command, leagership
Manning- speed of play and calling plays at the line, accuracy
Reed- reading calling D and disguising coverages.
Troy was amazing and HOF but didn’t have any particular skill that made him generational- IMO.
Mahomes- arm strength and accuracy but he needs to prove over longer time.

All the DE mentioned elite- can one of them turn generational- possible but not miller. Too late. Definitely elite and a HOF though.
 
Themadcane said:
Brady and Manning both generational.
Mahomes most likely generational. Allen burrow doubtful.
There can be 2-3 generational players playing at a time. There were other elites playing with brady and manning- ex- favre was elite but not generational.

Reed generational- polomalu elite but not generational. Anyone that argues they are equal they are wrong. Taylor would have been generational.

Each of those players have a generational skill-
Brady- winning, command, leagership
Manning- speed of play and calling plays at the line, accuracy
Reed- reading calling D and disguising coverages.
Troy was amazing and HOF but didn’t have any particular skill that made him generational- IMO.
Mahomes- arm strength and accuracy but he needs to prove over longer time.

All the DE mentioned elite- can one of them turn generational- possible but not miller. Too late. Definitely elite and a HOF though.
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Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Mahomes. Thats 4 all active players, drafted within 20 years of eachother. If you wanted to do some statistics, to have 4 generational players playing at a time, you'd likely need to go the next 40 years without a single generational talent at QB... And that's without including Burrow, who had the greatest CFB season of all time for a QB and took his team who hasn't won a playoff game in like 40 years to the SB in his 2nd year lol. Never mind including Brees, Russell Wilson, and more.

Demarcus Ware, Jason Taylor, Julius Peppers, Terrell Suggs, Jared Allen, John Abraham, Michael Strahan... All played at the same time. Thats 7 of the top 13 NFL all time sack leaders - All of whom btw are above LT and Derrick Thomas in sacks. This is just why the idea of this argument is dumb. How bout we just make GOAT what you call generational, and generational what you call elite. That makes it easier.
 
Hall of fame is watered down, I agree with prime on this, and there are major gaps between the best hall of gamers and the worst. HOF =/= generational talent. That description is reserved for the best among the best, only the best of the elite.

People can disagree on who the generational player is, just like people weigh things like longevity differently, but the concept should be pretty straight forward. If you aren’t the best of your era at your job, you may just be elite, with few exceptions.
 
calinative umstudent said:
Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Mahomes. Thats 4 all active players, drafted within 20 years of eachother. If you wanted to do some statistics, to have 4 generational players playing at a time, you'd likely need to go the next 40 years without a single generational talent at QB... And that's without including Burrow, who had the greatest CFB season of all time for a QB and took his team who hasn't won a playoff game in like 40 years to the SB in his 2nd year lol. Never mind including Brees, Russell Wilson, and more.

Demarcus Ware, Jason Taylor, Julius Peppers, Terrell Suggs, Jared Allen, John Abraham, Michael Strahan... All played at the same time. Thats 7 of the top 13 NFL all time sack leaders - All of whom btw are above LT and Derrick Thomas in sacks. This is just why the idea of this argument is dumb. How bout we just make GOAT what you call generational, and generational what you call elite. That makes it easier.
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Generational is not necessarily the goat. Manning is not goat material but he changed the game.
Mahomes may get there no guarantee. He was drafted AFTER manning retired.

Rodgers no chance.

Not 1 of those defenders you mentioned- not me- is generational regardless of stats including derrick thomas. Only LT.

There are more than 2 tiers- not just goat and elite. There is a difference between Manning and Rodgers. A difference between singletary and urlacher, Moss and Hopkins. Barry Sanders and Terrell Davis. Just as there is between Sanders and Brown, Manning and Brady, Moss and Rice.
 
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westcoastcanes said:
If you aren’t on the shortlist for all time goat at your position it isn’t a generational talent. That term is used way too much.
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Elite vs Generational using NFL QBs since the 80s taking into account talent and production

Elite: Peyton Manning, Troy Aikman, Aaron Rodgers, Brett Favre, Jim Kelly, Dan Marino and others (young bucks excluded because you should have the full body of work to pass judgement)

Generational: Joe Montana and Tom Brady
 
calinative umstudent said:
So then were Troy Polamalu and Sean Taylor not generational? Cause Reed was drafted 2002, Troy 2003, and SeanT 2004. Thats 2 HOFers and one guy that everyone here believes could/would have been HOF had he not been murdered, all drafted one year after the other at the same position.

Clearly generational doesn't mean once a literal generation - which is usually defined as like 25 years. Basically generational in NFL semantics means best in the class with clear HOF production/potential.

So yes Myles Garrett, Bosa bros, Von Miller, Chase Young, Will Anderson all are seen as generational talents.
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Nah man Reggie White was generational, Ray Lewis was generational, Deion was generational.

and yes generational means exactly that.

A generational talent dominates the game at his position for a time period beyond the average length of a career or changes the game entirely due to his talent level. Devin Hester was a generational talent with short term production. So was Randy Moss. Chase young and the Bosas may not even make the HoF.
 
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Sooooooo...back to Mark Fletcher..

Glad we are tapping back in with this kid. Probably have to mend some hurt egos since the rumors were he wanted to commit but Mario wouldnt let him pull the trigger but I think that can be resolved. Fletcher would have been considered a crown jewel RB for this class this time last year.
 
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Billie Joe, what do you think? Wake me up when December comes.

Summer was fun, time for the patience caps in regards to recruiting.
 
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calinative umstudent said:
But thats exactly the point. If you only allow for one player to be generational, then if there is any debate about who the generational player is, then none of them can be labeled generational. I love Ed and definitely think he was the best safety but it isn't crazy if someone thinks Troy ******* Polamalu was the best...

Seriously who is going to argue that Peyton Manning and Tom Brady both weren't generational QBs? And again Mahomes, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, etc... Like Generational clearly isn't literal when discussing football players.
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Your take on this is fine, it's just not a correct take if you are taking the literal definition of "generational". Which most people don't

The safety question you bring up is actually a great example, even though I won't give my answer because it might upset some folks.

As for QB, there is only one generational guy that's played this century. He has seven super bowls.
 
Kn[]_[]ckles3o5 said:
Nah man Reggie White was generational, Ray Lewis was generational, Deion was generational.

and yes generational means exactly that.

A generational talent dominates the game at his position for a time period beyond the average length of a career or changes the game entirely due to his talent level. Devin Hester was a generational talent with short term production. So was Randy Moss. Chase young and the Bosas may not even make the HoF.
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AP, before injuries the injuries and off the field stuff would make my generational list of late as well.

Moss is my other big one that you touched on.

Charles Woodson has to be there as well.
 
colperm said:
I mean, if you are going by the “literal” definition it does mean what you just said. Once in a generation

So using that logic Reed, Taylor and Polamalu can’t all be generational. They were all elite though ;)
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Taylor was a generational talent based on his size and athleticism for the position, as well as incredible style of play and impact. Reed isn't necessarily a generational talent, but he's easily the best to ever do it.
 
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