Randy Shannon vs. Al Golden

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Same coach, but speaks a little better. This is why scapegoating coordinators isn't going to do anything.
 
not same coach, they have shown they can develop talent but they dont have enough. first year they did wonders with streeter and jacory. kendall thompkins and davon johnson even became contributors.this year, Duke johnson was turning into an all around great rb. they developed tracy howard, denzel, hurns, flowers, and crawford pretty nice. grace and figs will develop too. jelani was a stud prospect but he cant stay healthy. malcom lewis and kiby both were injured last year so they fell behind. same as deon this year. gameday coaching and developing scrubs is one thing but they have gotten stuff out of kids with talent and athletic ability.
 
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Same coach, but speaks a little better. This is why scapegoating coordinators isn't going to do anything.

Who would you replace him with?
I would start by replacing Shalala, since she is the common denominator behind the hiring three of the same coaches.

And who would you replace Shalala with?
Not a clue in the world. But if you are going to argue that not having a good alternative right now means that we should keep a failure, then we can agree to end the discussion at this point, as I find that "logic" to be extremely faulty.
 
Same coach, but speaks a little better. This is why scapegoating coordinators isn't going to do anything.

Who would you replace him with?
I would start by replacing Shalala, since she is the common denominator behind the hiring three of the same coaches.

And who would you replace Shalala with?
Not a clue in the world. But if you are going to argue that not having a good alternative right now means that we should keep a failure, then we can agree to end the discussion at this point, as I find that "logic" to be extremely faulty.

I think replacing Shalala would need to start with a review of why she is being replaced vs. what she does well and then fill that gap in searching for a replacement. Part of the problem is this is a university and not a sports franchise. But even within that facet, our basketball teams have had increased success lately while our bragging right sports, football and baseball, have not.

Since replacing Shalala will likely end in a pointless discussion around race and politics, what realistic football head coach options would you like to see considered to replace Golden should he bolt for PSU or get fired.
 
Firm stool (Al Tin) vs. Loose Stool (Shannvo). At the end of the day, they're both ****. The only difference I can see is that Tin will leave the program in better shape when gets run off.
 
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both are fielding similar, lethargic, uninspired teams that are fading down the stretch. its odd. Swasey is the common denominator....not to mention the senior class that hasnt. bought into what Golden has been selling. its oddly similar.
 
Who would you replace him with?
I would start by replacing Shalala, since she is the common denominator behind the hiring three of the same coaches.

And who would you replace Shalala with?
Not a clue in the world. But if you are going to argue that not having a good alternative right now means that we should keep a failure, then we can agree to end the discussion at this point, as I find that "logic" to be extremely faulty.

I think replacing Shalala would need to start with a review of why she is being replaced vs. what she does well and then fill that gap in searching for a replacement. Part of the problem is this is a university and not a sports franchise. But even within that facet, our basketball teams have had increased success lately while our bragging right sports, football and baseball, have not.

Since replacing Shalala will likely end in a pointless discussion around race and politics, what realistic football head coach options would you like to see considered to replace Golden should he bolt for PSU or get fired.

I think that she does the "school" side of the equation very well. I am an alum and absolutely love what she has done for my degrees (though the law school is still slacking hard, but that's a totally different discussion). I understand that this isn't a sports franchise, nor have I ever expected it to be. I just believe that at this point, it is clear that she isn't very good (or doesn't care) at the sport's side of the equation. Again, three failed hires, all of whom have been virtually identical in their team identities and records, strongly suggests that to be the case. I truly believe that you do NOT need to have either/or. I don't think the problem is with it needing to be a sports franchise. It's being afraid of our history and wanting to keep distancing ourselves from what made us great. You are right, this discussion will inevitably lead to race and politics, so we can leave it at that.

The first three coaches that come to mind without doing much thinking are (1) Kirby Smart (2) Phillip Montgomery (3) Petrino. I'm not sure Smart would come here for myriad reasons, but I have loved what I have seen from Baylor this year. Dude is a badass offensive coordinator, with a clear chip on his shoulder, and is a southern guy who because of that, would inherently understand what football is all about down here, compared to a Penn State guy. Petrino could be GOAT here, but that would never happen because he is too cutthroat for our nice administration. I'm sure I'll get flamed but there you go.
 
Let's start here: Golden is under contract through February 1, 2020, so he is going nowhere. That said, he is clearly at a point where changes need to be made. Obviously, IMO it's the DC and Kehoe. While Coley has done little to inspire me, it's his first year and we saw what happened to Morris with three OC's in his career, it finally caught up to him, if only Fisch had stayed one more year. I don't think you mess with Barrow (too solid of a recruiter) and the rest of the staff is good, except the DL coach. Bottom line, lots of work to do in recruiting and some staff work as well. Major changes within 30 days of signing day are always risky, but necessary and it's unfair to do it after signing day.

Shannon Overall Record
2007-2009 21-17

Shannon Conference Record
2007-2009 11-13

Golden Overall Record
2011-2013 22-15

Golden Conference Record
2011-2013 13-11

Not much difference here boys.

At the end of the day this is how Golden is measured.
 
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fire golden and his staff. lose all the recruits and start from scratch. not sure that is best option
 
I would start by replacing Shalala, since she is the common denominator behind the hiring three of the same coaches.

And who would you replace Shalala with?
Not a clue in the world. But if you are going to argue that not having a good alternative right now means that we should keep a failure, then we can agree to end the discussion at this point, as I find that "logic" to be extremely faulty.

I think replacing Shalala would need to start with a review of why she is being replaced vs. what she does well and then fill that gap in searching for a replacement. Part of the problem is this is a university and not a sports franchise. But even within that facet, our basketball teams have had increased success lately while our bragging right sports, football and baseball, have not.

Since replacing Shalala will likely end in a pointless discussion around race and politics, what realistic football head coach options would you like to see considered to replace Golden should he bolt for PSU or get fired.

I think that she does the "school" side of the equation very well. I am an alum and absolutely love what she has done for my degrees (though the law school is still slacking hard, but that's a totally different discussion). I understand that this isn't a sports franchise, nor have I ever expected it to be. I just believe that at this point, it is clear that she isn't very good (or doesn't care) at the sport's side of the equation. Again, three failed hires, all of whom have been virtually identical in their team identities and records, strongly suggests that to be the case. I truly believe that you do NOT need to have either/or. I don't think the problem is with it needing to be a sports franchise. It's being afraid of our history and wanting to keep distancing ourselves from what made us great. You are right, this discussion will inevitably lead to race and politics, so we can leave it at that.

The first three coaches that come to mind without doing much thinking are (1) Kirby Smart (2) Phillip Montgomery (3) Petrino. I'm not sure Smart would come here for myriad reasons, but I have loved what I have seen from Baylor this year. Dude is a badass offensive coordinator, with a clear chip on his shoulder, and is a southern guy who because of that, would inherently understand what football is all about down here, compared to a Penn State guy. Petrino could be GOAT here, but that would never happen because he is too cutthroat for our nice administration. I'm sure I'll get flamed but there you go.

I don't disagree with you that a change needs to be made in football. I disagree with you being a repetitively negative pain in the *** on the board and your mission to rustle jimmies and cause ***** to pile on and beat a dead horse. I'm thrilled with her on the school side, and the law school served me well, and I don't have insight into its more global issues.

I also do not have a breakdown or analysis of the "whys" or available coaches around the times of the Coker, Shannon or even Golden hires and what other realistic options were available -- was Coker given the opportunity because he was a connection to the success, Shannon because he was a connection to the past, black and a Miami guy, golden because he was the best of bad options after they went hard after "gruden".

Petrino seems like more of a want than a realistic option, but I get why you'd want him. One concern I'd have with Golden leaving, is can the next coach keep this recruiting class together in a month, and if he can't does it set us back even further than if golden stays with our same staff.

lesser of evils perhaps
 
difference is simple. golden leaves he is a HC somewhere. Shannon took a year to be a linebacker coach.
 
petrino wont be hired here. they are afraid of him plus he will use it as a stepping stone.
 
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