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Rellyrell said:
Fact; we saw their potential in 09 w/ these boys. First 4 opponents were top 25 and they went 3-1 against those guys. But they were never given any help. OC was changed dang near every 4th quarter it seemed like, and the classes thereafter never supplemented them. It was a chit show in every imaginable way. I still feel bad for them. We can't crucify that class or use that as a basis as to why stars don't matter.
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Huh?

It was 2009 when we had that “tough” starting schedule and went 3-1.
 
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Dghustla said:
I remember it like it was yesterday. I took the day off for national signing day. Honestly that was the very 1 year it was an all day thing in ESPN. And the Canes had a chance at a #1 class. And low and below we pulled it off. Man I thought we were back.

Randy failed for a number of reasons. And yes that class and the players were overrated. A lot of those MNW peaked in high school and Randy didn’t establish any type of culture with this team.

But it wasn’t for lack of talent. It hasn’t been lack of talent holding the canes back. It’s been lack of development and proper scheme and you don’t have to be a wizard just know than 4 verts.

Spence, jacory, fortson did those guys even put on one once of muscle while playing here?

Randy was an absentee coach and you were asking 18 year old kids to come in Be culture changes and know how to work and do things at the college level.

There is literally nothing that could have saved that class besides having a competent coach because randy was clueless.

They are the biggest bust class the history of recruiting imo but I’m going 70/30. Being most randy’s Fault because at 18 how the heck are you suppose to know how to work and prep at the college level if you’ve never been there before?

And even though it was overrated (aside from Saban just because he ran a totally different system and doesn’t believe fitting the scheme to the players) you could have handed that class to Myer, Dabo, Patterson, stoops, Peterson, leach almost any other coach and they would have probably squeeze at least a title birth out of them.
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This is clearly false. Coker’s ‘04 class was the biggest bust class in the history of cfb. Look it up.
 
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skeeter said:
Nope, Randy Shannon was just an outright abysmal recruiter. Besides the year when the whole Northern part of Dade signed up to play for the hometown hero, the man was atrocious.

Saying he could recruit was pure delusion on your part.
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Perfect example of some one talking just to talk. Shannon had good enough players to win. He just wasn't that good of a head coach. Using words like "atrocious" and "abysmal" is just stupidity on your part.
 
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Miami Nights said:
Perfect example of some one talking just to talk. Shannon had good enough players to win. He just wasn't that good of a head coach. Using words like "atrocious" and "abysmal" is just stupidity on your part.
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Shannon wasn't given the support and especially the budget to hire good assistants. Ask for Gus and Kevin Sumlin, had to settle for Pat Nix...
 
Miami Nights said:
Perfect example of some one talking just to talk. Shannon had good enough players to win. He just wasn't that good of a head coach. Using words like "atrocious" and "abysmal" is just stupidity on your part.
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Nah, again...Look at his classes after the first one. So much dead weight.

You know it is possible he was both a bad head coach and a bad recruiter, right? Actually it's not just possible it was the case.

There were articles written when Golden became head coach about how LOCAL, AS IN DADE schools...Hadn't seen UM coaches at practices or spoke to them in a long time. It was Shannon who totally lost a lot of Dade (again outside of that first year with MNW and BTW home run class to support the home town hero) to begin with. And Shannon walked in to a GREAT situation...Miami was what...5-6 years removed from glory years...And 3 years removed from an 11 win season. He didn't have a mess to clean up. No excuse...Recruiter and head coach, he was straight dogshyt.
 
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skeeter said:
Nah, again...Look at his classes after the first one. So much dead weight.

You know it is possible he was both a bad head coach and a bad recruiter, right? Actually it's not just possible it was the case.

There were articles written when Golden became head coach about how LOCAL, AS IN DADE schools...Hadn't seen UM coaches at practices or spoke to them in a long time. It was Shannon who totally lost a lot of Dade (again outside of that first year with MNW and BTW home run class to support the home town hero) to begin with. And Shannon walked in to a GREAT situation...Miami was what...5-6 years removed from glory years...And 3 years removed from an 11 win season. He didn't have a mess to clean up. No excuse...Recruiter and head coach, he was straight dogshyt.
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He didn't have a mess to clean up when? If everything was so great at UM before Randy took over then why did Coker get fired?
 
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Hargre22 said:
He didn't have a mess to clean up when? If everything was so great at UM before Randy took over then why did Coker get fired?
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Who said "great???" Time for change? Yes...Was coker ever a "Great" coach...no.

But definitely nowhere near a mess...1000% not a mess for Shannon...Only a couple years removed from top 5-7 status, no sanction issues, decent (if not spectacular) amount of talent on hand. off of back to back 9 win seasons.

Not the mess that Golden and to a lesser extent Richt had to take over with...(not defending Golden), but Randy Shannon still walked into a decent situation, had the support of the local fanbases, and proved ridiculously incompetent on ALL fronts, ******** it all up
 
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skeeter said:
Who said "great???" Time for change? Yes...Was coker ever a "Great" coach...no.

But definitely nowhere near a mess...1000% not a mess for Shannon...Only a couple years removed from top 5-7 status, no sanction issues, decent (if not spectacular) amount of talent on hand. off of back to back 9 win seasons.

Not the mess that Golden and to a lesser extent Richt had to take over with...(not defending Golden), but Randy Shannon still walked into a decent situation, had the support of the local fanbases, and proved ridiculously incompetent on ALL fronts, ******** it all up
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Golden inherited a 7 win team that was one season removed from a top 20 ranking after the 09 season. We opened the 2010 season ranked just outside the top 10, and had someone told you before the start of the 2010 season that UM would finish with just 7 wins and Shannon would be fired afterwards you wouldn't have believed them, just like we wouldn't have never imagined that Richt would crap the bed this past season after winning the coastal the season before. Shannon wasn't nowhere near as bad as you're trying to make him out to be.
 
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skeeter said:
Who said "great???" Time for change? Yes...Was coker ever a "Great" coach...no.

But definitely nowhere near a mess...1000% not a mess for Shannon...Only a couple years removed from top 5-7 status, no sanction issues, decent (if not spectacular) amount of talent on hand. off of back to back 9 win seasons.

Not the mess that Golden and to a lesser extent Richt had to take over with...(not defending Golden), but Randy Shannon still walked into a decent situation, had the support of the local fanbases, and proved ridiculously incompetent on ALL fronts, ******** it all up
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This is false. Coker gutted the roster and the culture. The ‘04 class was a disastrous wipeout, amd ‘05 and ‘06 were not good and didn’t fix things. Randy inherited a mess! And that isn’t a defense of Randy. It’s just a fact.
 
Ethnicsands said:
This is false. Coker gutted the roster and the culture. The ‘04 class was a disastrous wipeout, amd ‘05 and ‘06 were not good and didn’t fix things. Randy inherited a mess! And that isn’t a defense of Randy. It’s just a fact.
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Nah, it's nowhere near a fact, you are just wrong here...Fall off from the GREAT years from Coker's poor recruiting and misses (along with UM insisting on being a little more stringent academically than many schools)? Of course...Walking into a perfect situation? No...Walking into a decent situation and by far a better situation than the two coaches after him? It's really not even comparable

UM in 2007 should have been an easy fix, at least back to top 8-10 status if not dominant UM years. Golden, when you factor in sanctions, had a tough task (and definitely failed)...
 
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Hargre22 said:
Golden inherited a 7 win team that was one season removed from a top 20 ranking after the 09 season. We opened the 2010 season ranked just outside the top 10, and had someone told you before the start of the 2010 season that UM would finish with just 7 wins and Shannon would be fired afterwards you wouldn't have believed them, just like we wouldn't have never imagined that Richt would crap the bed this past season after winning the coastal the season before. Shannon wasn't nowhere near as bad as you're trying to make him out to be.
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Nah, the '09 season was "decent"...But most everyone knew the guy was a bum and was capable of sliding backwards record wise. From about mid year 2 of Shannon regime, it was continual hot seat, as it was apparent the man was in over his head. After buying some time and having that "decent" year 3 (you are categorizing sliding into the top 20 as some type of win?), the loss to Wisconsin in Orlando to end the season the feeling was again disappointment, and put him on hot seat for year 4.

Year 4 was no surprise to anyone who wasn't a blind fool.

Shannon is the worst coach in UM history, and didn't have a strength. Pretty average DC too...but I didn't hate him in that capacity.
 
skeeter said:
Nah, the '09 season was "decent"...But most everyone knew the guy was a bum and was capable of sliding backwards record wise. From about mid year 2 of Shannon regime, it was continual hot seat, as it was apparent the man was in over his head. After buying some time and having that "decent" year 3 (you are categorizing sliding into the top 20 as some type of win?), the loss to Wisconsin in Orlando to end the season the feeling was again disappointment, and put him on hot seat for year 4.

Year 4 was no surprise to anyone who wasn't a blind fool.

Shannon is the worst coach in UM history, and didn't have a strength. Pretty average DC too...but I didn't hate him in that capacity.
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Folden is the worst coach ever and it's not even close as long as you don't make it about race. Mork ain't too far behind him. How you can even bring up Shannon's game against Wisky after Wisky just anal raped Mork 2 straight seasons is beyond me...?
 
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