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Roman Marciante said:
I will agree with you on the first statement. Georgia Area QB coaches are killing it right now. They have a hot streak although this year might be a little down. I have watched a lot of film on Georgia QB's and its getting to the point where I can tell where the kid is from. (kidding but not kidding)

Ultimately these kids do some high level stuff early on and it is proving dividends on the field and in terms of their recruiting. Davis Mills and Harrison Bailey had/have the same QB coach. Then you get guys like Fields, Fromm, Lawrence and our boy Williams? You see where I am going here?
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It’s qb heaven right now
 
Tony Perps said:
or what? Will you victimize me with some terrible nickname?
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Nah. You do a fine job embarrassing yourself. If I were to pile on it might be considered a hate crime. I’ve tried not to even acknowledge your existence until you fired up your suck hole and pointed it in my direction.

You’re a useless bum as far as this forum goes. You never add anything of value. You get your rocks off trying to insult people but all you ever manage to do is be an insult to the abortion clinic your mother cheated out of $50.

You can’t articulate an opinion on your own so you come off as a rah rah cheerleader following vets like Chise around shaking your Pom poms every time he says something clever. When he plows your girl do you say “Yay Team!?”
 
Loose Cannon said:
Nah. You do a fine job embarrassing yourself. If I were to pile on it might be considered a hate crime. I’ve tried not to even acknowledge your existence until you fired up your suck hole and pointed it in my direction.

You’re a useless bum as far as this forum goes. You never add anything of value. You get your rocks off trying to insult people but all you ever manage to do is be an insult to the abortion clinic your mother cheated out of $50.

You can’t articulate an opinion on your own so you come off as a rah rah cheerleader following vets like Chise around shaking your Pom poms every time he says something clever. When he plows your girl do you say “Yay Team!?”
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Lol did not read that novel.
 
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I feel we should go with one of the young guys. We have another week of spring all of summer and fall to get them ready. I’ve seen enough of Malik and honestly his quotes after the Pitt really did it for me. Take you man bun and sit down
 
If you can place true freshman over upperclassman at LB. You can do the same at QB. Rosier has made no progress at all from his 1st start last season, too where we are now.

He is not the answer this season. He brings nothing that a freshman can't bring.
 
Roman Marciante said:
Eventually we will have transfers here at qb. It's part of the game and so prevalent in college these days.
I could envision a scenario where Williams was made number one and 3 guys could send in papers the next day.

Then you're one injury away from catastrophe. Ultimately let the best man win, administratively however there is a cost if one of these freshman usurp the position.
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I don't see Rosier transferring if he doesn't get the starting nod. Lets face it, Rosier will be going pro in something other than sports. I don't think he will have good options on the grad transfer market. If Williams is the guy, sure, Perry and/or Weldon could send papers in to transfer, but I just don't see Rosier leaving.
 
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OBLIVION said:
If you can place true freshman over upperclassman at LB. You can do the same at QB. Rosier has made no progress at all from his 1st start last season, too where we are now.

He is not the answer this season. He brings nothing that a freshman can't bring.
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Roman Marciante said:
I will agree with you on the first statement. Georgia Area QB coaches are killing it right now. They have a hot streak although this year might be a little down. I have watched a lot of film on Georgia QB's and its getting to the point where I can tell where the kid is from. (kidding but not kidding)

Ultimately these kids do some high level stuff early on and it is proving dividends on the field and in terms of their recruiting. Davis Mills and Harrison Bailey had/have the same QB coach. Then you get guys like Fields, Fromm, Lawrence and our boy Williams? You see where I am going here?
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Man I agree with this. We were lucky to get Williams late after riding the Sits horse too long. We wouldn't have gotten him if He didn't have two studs rated higher then him one to Georgia and one to Clemson the two schools that feast on Ga. quarterbacks. Williams may in the end be the best of the three. Who knows.
 
Great post Roman. I'm a complete novice but just from watching a lot of college football it's easy to notice that our QB's do not have huge windows to thow into - ie OU, Memphis, Lousiville etc. If one of our WR's is wide open it's mostly just a function of Richards or Thomas abusing a guy one on one. The last time I remember our WR's springing open was under Jedd Fish. What concepts would you implement to create more space for our playmakers?
 
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MotoSniper said:
I don't see Rosier transferring if he doesn't get the starting nod. Lets face it, Rosier will be going pro in something other than sports. I don't think he will have good options on the grad transfer market. If Williams is the guy, sure, Perry and/or Weldon could send papers in to transfer, but I just don't see Rosier leaving.
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i agree -dont see him trying to transfer anywhere else. BUT if CMR makes the change before fall camp, he may opt to just not play... I think the staff would like to have him just in case...
 
ilovelamp said:
Great post Roman. I'm a complete novice but just from watching a lot of college football it's easy to notice that our QB's do not have huge windows to thow into - ie OU, Memphis, Lousiville etc. If one of our WR's is wide open it's mostly just a function of Richards or Thomas abusing a guy one on one. The last time I remember our WR's springing open was under Jedd Fish. What concepts would you implement to create more space for our playmakers?
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You answered by asking your own question my friend. Space. One way to create more space is to simply take it on the field.

I've seen spread teams literally run a 3x1 set (trips) and have all three receivers outside the hash. Our 3x1 sets typically have one guy outside the hash, on it and one inside.

Briles at Baylor was known to really spread out his guys. Saw a lot of this at fau this year with his son. It takes people out of your box and honestly makes reads much more identifiable.

And another way... Just play design. Mainly by changing the launch point. Roll outs with intent to throw back or double move off it.

Some examples of things you can do.
 
Roman Marciante said:
Hey guys I know some of you have already weighed in on the subject but I figured I would chime in.

Got there early with the intent to watch the QB position. In line drills it was Malik 1 Perry 2 and Williams 3.
Charting their catch and release times with a stop watch I noted that on similar throws both Perry and Williams consistently had the ball out quicker on similar concepts. (Miami typically will have the same routes consecutively rotating the QB's and WR's around the drill) Rosier was essentially a little more lax in his drops and his ball out time was being bested simply because he takes a little bit longer to deliver.

The rest of the line drills were Above Average, some balls hit the turf vs air.

Rosier: Is what he is. I didn't see any relative improvement from a mechanical standpoint in his game. Rosier ran with the ones and I think it was pretty clear that the offensive line had some struggles. But when he had time, I still have some issues with his accuracy. In the stat sheet he was essentially at one point 2/2. The problem is he was late delivering a ball to Harley on a dig (immediately enveloped by defenders) and he had a drag where his receiver had to dive and catch the ball. Rosier needs to stop limiting run after the catch potential. It is a hidden aspect that really stalls this offense.

If I had to identify a cause of his accuracy concerns, as the play develops his base becomes more inconsistent. Simple formula here, the longer the play goes the more inaccurate Rosier becomes. He just isn't a flawless reset and gather QB. Nice when it's a bubble or slant on a one catch and throw, but when it isn't there he struggles maintaining good balance or throwing from different platforms. For a fifth year senior, he isn't head and shoulders above the following.

Perry: Really wanted to put to bed who had the best arm on the team and I still think it's him. Just the straight line angle on his balls is better. Don't see balls dipping or tapering off. And the deep ball to Hightower was not the first read. That proves he can wait in the pocket and still essentially have the arm to get the ball way down field if he needs to. Perry is not the guy who is going to underthrow Jeff Thomas. Ok that's the arm. His feet? I think he is the most dynamic runner on the team.

Some might say he is looking a little bit too much to run. But ultimately even in that "tag and your down" QB scenario, Perry showed the ability that when he ran, he was effective in doing so. Perry has this seeming rhythmic pentameter to his game. If he "feels it" and if he is operating in a bit more "up-tempo" mode, he seems to do much better. (Think fast break in offense vs half court sets) Some issues I have with Perry, like Rosier, some inaccuracy. Perry has a lot of moving parts. He generates a ton of spin on the ball but I see this "load up" phenomenon when he tries to thread the needle, he becomes more erratic.

This is a power pitcher that needs to learn to play within himself and just trust it IMO. Led a touchdown drive and threw a nice fade to Hightower. But then on his interception it was simply a rookie mistake. Jeff Thomas can "peek your interest" on that 9 route, but that safety was hashed over top and I think film will show you Langham was 1v1 back side and the right read. That was just Perry predetermined to hit Jeff and not reading the coverage right. Take what they give you young man. Your defense knows who Jeff Thomas is. ACC defenders will too.

Jarren Williams: Impressed. Most repeatable and consistent deliverer of the football. Nice Base. Nice compact stroke. Ultimately for me he had the "quarterbacking play of the day" when his first read was covered, he worked back into the pocket, found pocket freedom naturally, kept his eyes down field and then delivered a strike to extend the play. He did not drop the ball and look to run (which he can) and he didn't create the sense that he couldn't reset and gather. (He did just fine) Was it the wow play Perry was able to make? No. But it showed command beyond his years.

Plenty of arm. No issues there. Perry takes the edge but it isn't by much IMO. Jarren actually doesn't need all the moving parts like Perry to create torque. Williams really commands his base better than anyone. His front stride is compact. He had a vertical where he led the receiver inside. Sure it was a bad ball and that needs to be thrown away from the safety but he wasn't over striding or gearing up to make the throw. 50 yard throw, no huge gather, just threw it.

Jarren has the potential to be the most accurate quarterback of all three. I am 100% convinced of this. Even in warm ups I just watched someone able to replicate and hit spot after spot. My biggest compliment to Jarren is that he did not seem remotely like a freshman out there. And as a reminder tying into the quarterback offer series, Jarren showed the biggest improvement from his JR year to SR year that I have charted yet. He seems to really want to get better and improve. At one point on the field he clapped his hands in discuss at himself because he didn't hit something right. Can't say that about others.

In time as Jarren has more knowledge of the playbook, I think you'll see a really precise entity out there. Ultimately wrapping up the QB side of things, If all 3 were freshman, there is no way on God's green earth that Malik would be the starter over those two. He just needs to thank the lucky stars he has game experience and Jarren is a true freshman. Either way, if Rosier repeats a Pitt performance at some point (I think he will) I think by then one of those 2 will take his job.

Real quick stop on X/o because I don't want to be long. Richt was vanilla. But ultimately I think this offense needs to really think of ways to operate when the run game isn't there. Spring game or not, it is well documented in all of Richt's losses at Miami, they are one dimensional entities when the L's come. I have some concerns even now with the type of receiver talent that we have, no one ever seems to be operating with any kind of space. Credit the defense if you will, but when you got NFL open widows and not an NFL caliber qb pulling the trigger, Good luck and God speed.

Hope everyone had a good time at the game. Look Forward to checking back in to see what you guys have to say.
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I don’t know 💩 about QBs so you could be totally BSing but that write up gave me chills. Loved the detail
 
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Awesome QB write up Roman!

Last year we rode with Malik. Was definitely the best Qb we had at the time.

This is definitely not the case this year.

It’s time to give one of the young guys a shot.

When you have thoroughbreds at WR we need to get them the ball in space. And I’m not talking about bubbles.

Richt just needs to wake up and smell the coffee.
 
Roman Marciante said:
Hey guys I know some of you have already weighed in on the subject but I figured I would chime in.

Got there early with the intent to watch the QB position. In line drills it was Malik 1 Perry 2 and Williams 3.
Charting their catch and release times with a stop watch I noted that on similar throws both Perry and Williams consistently had the ball out quicker on similar concepts. (Miami typically will have the same routes consecutively rotating the QB's and WR's around the drill) Rosier was essentially a little more lax in his drops and his ball out time was being bested simply because he takes a little bit longer to deliver.

The rest of the line drills were Above Average, some balls hit the turf vs air.

Rosier: Is what he is. I didn't see any relative improvement from a mechanical standpoint in his game. Rosier ran with the ones and I think it was pretty clear that the offensive line had some struggles. But when he had time, I still have some issues with his accuracy. In the stat sheet he was essentially at one point 2/2. The problem is he was late delivering a ball to Harley on a dig (immediately enveloped by defenders) and he had a drag where his receiver had to dive and catch the ball. Rosier needs to stop limiting run after the catch potential. It is a hidden aspect that really stalls this offense.

If I had to identify a cause of his accuracy concerns, as the play develops his base becomes more inconsistent. Simple formula here, the longer the play goes the more inaccurate Rosier becomes. He just isn't a flawless reset and gather QB. Nice when it's a bubble or slant on a one catch and throw, but when it isn't there he struggles maintaining good balance or throwing from different platforms. For a fifth year senior, he isn't head and shoulders above the following.

Perry: Really wanted to put to bed who had the best arm on the team and I still think it's him. Just the straight line angle on his balls is better. Don't see balls dipping or tapering off. And the deep ball to Hightower was not the first read. That proves he can wait in the pocket and still essentially have the arm to get the ball way down field if he needs to. Perry is not the guy who is going to underthrow Jeff Thomas. Ok that's the arm. His feet? I think he is the most dynamic runner on the team.

Some might say he is looking a little bit too much to run. But ultimately even in that "tag and your down" QB scenario, Perry showed the ability that when he ran, he was effective in doing so. Perry has this seeming rhythmic pentameter to his game. If he "feels it" and if he is operating in a bit more "up-tempo" mode, he seems to do much better. (Think fast break in offense vs half court sets) Some issues I have with Perry, like Rosier, some inaccuracy. Perry has a lot of moving parts. He generates a ton of spin on the ball but I see this "load up" phenomenon when he tries to thread the needle, he becomes more erratic.

This is a power pitcher that needs to learn to play within himself and just trust it IMO. Led a touchdown drive and threw a nice fade to Hightower. But then on his interception it was simply a rookie mistake. Jeff Thomas can "peek your interest" on that 9 route, but that safety was hashed over top and I think film will show you Langham was 1v1 back side and the right read. That was just Perry predetermined to hit Jeff and not reading the coverage right. Take what they give you young man. Your defense knows who Jeff Thomas is. ACC defenders will too.

Jarren Williams: Impressed. Most repeatable and consistent deliverer of the football. Nice Base. Nice compact stroke. Ultimately for me he had the "quarterbacking play of the day" when his first read was covered, he worked back into the pocket, found pocket freedom naturally, kept his eyes down field and then delivered a strike to extend the play. He did not drop the ball and look to run (which he can) and he didn't create the sense that he couldn't reset and gather. (He did just fine) Was it the wow play Perry was able to make? No. But it showed command beyond his years.

Plenty of arm. No issues there. Perry takes the edge but it isn't by much IMO. Jarren actually doesn't need all the moving parts like Perry to create torque. Williams really commands his base better than anyone. His front stride is compact. He had a vertical where he led the receiver inside. Sure it was a bad ball and that needs to be thrown away from the safety but he wasn't over striding or gearing up to make the throw. 50 yard throw, no huge gather, just threw it.

Jarren has the potential to be the most accurate quarterback of all three. I am 100% convinced of this. Even in warm ups I just watched someone able to replicate and hit spot after spot. My biggest compliment to Jarren is that he did not seem remotely like a freshman out there. And as a reminder tying into the quarterback offer series, Jarren showed the biggest improvement from his JR year to SR year that I have charted yet. He seems to really want to get better and improve. At one point on the field he clapped his hands in discuss at himself because he didn't hit something right. Can't say that about others.

In time as Jarren has more knowledge of the playbook, I think you'll see a really precise entity out there. Ultimately wrapping up the QB side of things, If all 3 were freshman, there is no way on God's green earth that Malik would be the starter over those two. He just needs to thank the lucky stars he has game experience and Jarren is a true freshman. Either way, if Rosier repeats a Pitt performance at some point (I think he will) I think by then one of those 2 will take his job.

Real quick stop on X/o because I don't want to be long. Richt was vanilla. But ultimately I think this offense needs to really think of ways to operate when the run game isn't there. Spring game or not, it is well documented in all of Richt's losses at Miami, they are one dimensional entities when the L's come. I have some concerns even now with the type of receiver talent that we have, no one ever seems to be operating with any kind of space. Credit the defense if you will, but when you got NFL open widows and not an NFL caliber qb pulling the trigger, Good luck and God speed.

Hope everyone had a good time at the game. Look Forward to checking back in to see what you guys have to say.
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Reading this, I wonder why you (and others) have Perry ahead if Williams is all grown up and polished and whatnot? It sounds like you think Williams is the best QB we have so I'm wondering what he does that leaves him behind Perry in your mind?
 
ThomasM said:
The playbook will most certainly look different when you have a QB that can do it all.
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Am I the only one that doesn’t buy this? Are we going to be saying the same **** in 2021? The playbook is a reflection on the coaches scheme just as much as it is on the athletes you have. It’s year 3 and we continue to excuse vanilla conservative playcalling for games or scrimmages because of the QB. Richt’s Offensive strategy reminds me a lot of Randy Shannon’s approach where you know what we are going to do (4-3 Defense where nobody moves) for the most part but you have to try and stop us. He maaaaay sprinkle a few things here and there but it’s never anything too crazy. Creativity is not on these two coaches vocabulary.

I assure you FSU and Florida are opening things up with their new staff because that’s the type of Offense their staff run. Especially Urkel at FSU. He is going to throw the kitchen sink at us and we are going to continue to run up the middle on 2nd down.
 
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