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Proof that Kacy Rodgers should not be starting

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****! Some of you dudes should be ashamed of yourselves! Did you ever play? Have you ever watched the games from 01? Or do you just remember that we won all of them. There were some close games that year against mediocre teams, with the best CFB roster EVER! Bad plays happen, heck even bad games happen to good teams and players. I have faith that AG will put the best man out there for the job. Maybe he felt that Kacy was getting too comfortable so he puts some pressure on him to continue to get better. Maybe he gave Jenkins a chance and he has made the most of it, like flowers, and now he is unsure of who may start there because this new kid just started making plays! Maybe it is what one player 'is; doing more so than what one is 'not' doing. Maybe he is raising the bar. But to sit here and just straight bash a guy over one boneheaded play is ridiculous!
 
VT's play was the worst of any safety the canes have had the last 25 years.
See what Kacy has, if he stinks move on to next guy. VT can't play period.
 
I guess Ill just stick my head in the sand also.... You guys realize kacy was recruited as a corner and thats all he played.... Dude doesnt have safety instincts back there..Sorry. Im all in for Rayshawn Jenkins...Ill live with mental mistakes and not being where your suppose to be..or just plain getting beat.. I wont live with plays like at FSU. Ive said it before on here you make that play in optimist football..it has nothing to do with making a mistake.. a mistake is dropping the interception..not even going for it is unacceptable. WOAT
 
ImU2daDEF...CLF said:
Well, if one bad play defines a career/player, Ed Reed should have never seen another snap, after his Penn State flub.

Relax, guys, lay off the hallucinogens, and stop killing the kids we got. It is what it is right now, and the smart thing to do is hope somebody steps up, take the bull by the horns, and becomes a playmaker, regardless of who it is. It could be Swasey for all I care.
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Dude no offense but that is a horrific comparison.

On the play you're referring to where Ed Reed got beat on that long pass down the sideline we BLITZED. Ed Reed was literally caught in no man's land on that play as there was a back side side post he had to respect. You want to blame someone on that play? Blame Butch. Horrible decision to blitz there couple with the fact that QB literally made the throw of his life. A perfect strike in stride that Dan Marino in his prime would be proud of. That happens in football...sometimes the other teams just executes perfectly on a play. But that wasn't a case where Reed didn't recognize the play, didn't react to the play, and last but not last failed to make any type of play on the ball. We basically got caught with our pants down as Reed was responsible for the deep half on that play and forced to cover 2 different patterns on the play. They called the perfect play for the D we were in.

On the Kacy Rodgers FSU play we were in a cover 2 man shell. The entire play developed IN FRONT of Rodgers. The ball was basically punted in his general direction. All he had to do was what I mentioned earlier.....just make any type of play on the ball. Instead he just stood there.

There is absolutely nothing in common between those 2 situations. And for the love of everything in this world don't ever mention Ed Reed and Kacy Rodgers in the same sentence....even if it's to say that Rodgers is bad and Reed was great. Reed quite possibly had the best pure football instincts of ANYONE to ever come through this program. Kacy Rodgers quite possibly might have the worst. On a normal Canes team a guy like Rodgers is either on the scout team or not on the team at all.
 
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Jedi Master Cane said:
ImU2daDEF...CLF said:
Well, if one bad play defines a career/player, Ed Reed should have never seen another snap, after his Penn State flub.

Relax, guys, lay off the hallucinogens, and stop killing the kids we got. It is what it is right now, and the smart thing to do is hope somebody steps up, take the bull by the horns, and becomes a playmaker, regardless of who it is. It could be Swasey for all I care.
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Dude no offense but that is a horrific comparison.

On the play you're referring to where Ed Reed got beat on that long pass down the sideline we BLITZED. Ed Reed was literally caught in no man's land on that play as there was a back side side post he had to respect. You want to blame someone on that play? Blame Butch. Horrible decision to blitz there couple with the fact that QB literally made the throw of his life. A perfect strike in stride that Dan Marino in his prime would be proud of. That happens in football...sometimes the other teams just executes perfectly on a play. But that wasn't a case where Reed didn't recognize the play, didn't react to the play, and last but not last failed to make any type of play on the ball. We basically got caught with our pants down as Reed was responsible for the deep half on that play and forced to cover 2 different patterns on the play. They called the perfect play for the D we were in.

On the Kacy Rodgers FSU play we were in a cover 2 man shell. The entire play developed IN FRONT of Rodgers. The ball was basically punted in his general direction. All he had to do was what I mentioned earlier.....just make any type of play on the ball. Instead he just stood there.

There is absolutely nothing in common between those 2 situations. And for the love of everything in this world don't ever mention Ed Reed and Kacy Rodgers in the same sentence....even if it's to say that Rodgers is bad and Reed was great. Reed quite possibly had the best pure football instincts of ANYONE to ever come through this program. Kacy Rodgers quite possibly might have the worst. On a normal Canes team a guy like Rodgers is either on the scout team or not on the team at all.
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Unfortunately for them, they don't have years to break it down on the internet. They have a split second to react in a system they're comfortable in. But I'm sure you've played safety at Doak in front of all those people in a system you barely knew.


They ought to bring back that bud light commercial guy just for you. "Here's to you, Miami Hurricanes Internet fan. Miami Hurricanes Internet Fan! You take one play out of a kid's career and label him a bust. If a kid comes to play for your team, he better be Ed Reed as soon as he steps on the field. As soon as he steps on the field! So we salute you, Miami Hurricanes Internet Fan, for living the dream, one play at a time. One play at a tiiime.
 
The point you're missing is not to throw dirt on every player who makes a bad play/mistake on the field. Point blank, Reed blew the coverage, no excuses, no qualms, and I'm sure he'd tell you so himself. I'm not comparing Rodgers to Reed. What I'm saying is don't be so quick to dumpster fire the kid; if he has a big season this year, then what? I guarantee you'll probably be one of the first to hype him up. One bad play doesn't give you or anyone else the right to write him off, just like one good play doesn't mean you're all of a sudden a Thorpe award candidate (Ray Ray, big hit on DeMarco Murray ring a bell?).

I remember a lot of folks thought Hankerson would never amount to anything, especially with all the drops he had as frosh and soph. Hard work and dedication turned that around; its in the realm of possibility KR2 can do the same.




Jedi Master Cane said:
ImU2daDEF...CLF said:
Well, if one bad play defines a career/player, Ed Reed should have never seen another snap, after his Penn State flub.

Relax, guys, lay off the hallucinogens, and stop killing the kids we got. It is what it is right now, and the smart thing to do is hope somebody steps up, take the bull by the horns, and becomes a playmaker, regardless of who it is. It could be Swasey for all I care.
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Dude no offense but that is a horrific comparison.

On the play you're referring to where Ed Reed got beat on that long pass down the sideline we BLITZED. Ed Reed was literally caught in no man's land on that play as there was a back side side post he had to respect. You want to blame someone on that play? Blame Butch. Horrible decision to blitz there couple with the fact that QB literally made the throw of his life. A perfect strike in stride that Dan Marino in his prime would be proud of. That happens in football...sometimes the other teams just executes perfectly on a play. But that wasn't a case where Reed didn't recognize the play, didn't react to the play, and last but not last failed to make any type of play on the ball. We basically got caught with our pants down as Reed was responsible for the deep half on that play and forced to cover 2 different patterns on the play. They called the perfect play for the D we were in.

On the Kacy Rodgers FSU play we were in a cover 2 man shell. The entire play developed IN FRONT of Rodgers. The ball was basically punted in his general direction. All he had to do was what I mentioned earlier.....just make any type of play on the ball. Instead he just stood there.

There is absolutely nothing in common between those 2 situations. And for the love of everything in this world don't ever mention Ed Reed and Kacy Rodgers in the same sentence....even if it's to say that Rodgers is bad and Reed was great. Reed quite possibly had the best pure football instincts of ANYONE to ever come through this program. Kacy Rodgers quite possibly might have the worst. On a normal Canes team a guy like Rodgers is either on the scout team or not on the team at all.
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Kacy froze. Plain and simple. It was a horrific play. I never thought he'd take a meaningful snap at safety after that, but he seems to be practicing okay.

We'll see how it shakes out.
 
ImU2daDEF...CLF said:
The point you're missing is not to throw dirt on every player who makes a bad play/mistake on the field. Point blank, Reed blew the coverage, no excuses, no qualms, and I'm sure he'd tell you so himself.
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The difference is Reed took a bad angle. He didn't stand there and watch a completion happen right in front of him. Plus that wasn't the first time we ever saw Reed play, so we knew he was capable of more.


I'm not going to cast off Rodgers yet, but he's gotta go out there and prove that play wasn't indicative of his instincts and aggressiveness.
 
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If people are allowing the hype of the beginning of the season to overshadow some realities we'll have to face, they're going to have a really hard time this season. We're going to struggle. The point is accepting we're a 5-7 or 6-6 team and hoping we see young guys push us to a 7-5 or, God willing, 8-4 season. But, to say we're going to struggle at Safety is to say people are going to die in a war.
 
blackvern said:
Q: What have you seen out of Rayshawn Jenkins?

A: Rayshawn is very active on the ball, which is why he's been getting reps with the one's. The probability that he makes a play on the ball is higher than a lot of the other guys at that position right now. He's around the ball, he knocks them down, he intercepts them, he recovers fumbles. That's what we're looking for - we're looking for production, and with his opportunities he's produced.


SMH at our safetys
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That's not proof. That's weak evidence.
 
I agree Lu, only point I was tryna to make is not writing a player off because of a bad play. Yes, that brainfreeze against FSU was awful, no one is arguing that. All I'm saying is give the kid a chance to show he's better then that.




LuCane said:
If people are allowing the hype of the beginning of the season to overshadow some realities we'll have to face, they're going to have a really hard time this season. We're going to struggle. The point is accepting we're a 5-7 or 6-6 team and hoping we see young guys push us to a 7-5 or, God willing, 8-4 season. But, to say we're going to struggle at Safety is to say people are going to die in a war.
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Do folks realize that Ed Reed after a very good 98, struggled a bit in 99?( starting with a whiff on IIRC, Michael Wiley of Ohio State that led to a long run- happened right in front of me at the Meadowlands) and the aforementioned play with Chafie Fields. But then had two AA seasons.

It happens. Players struggle or make mistakes.

As for Rodgers, it's very simple, he's either good enough to keep this gig or he'll be replaced and passed up on the depth chart. Lets see how it plays out
 
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It must be close to the start of the season.

The 'tards are comin out da woodwerks.
 
Uncanny how some folks have been perfect all their lives and NEVER made a mistake.

It's gotta be miserable having to deal with all the rest of us who have.
 
I trust Golden and coach D to make the right choice and if that means Rodgers starts, so be it. That said, that play against FSU last year was one of the worst I've ever seen by a safety at the D-1 level.
 
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I think Rodgers will be fine. I think we will see better safety play from him then VT (unless he's gotten faster in the offseason).
 
If they don't believe you maybe they'll believe me.

He's not a UM calibre player. They need to shift Gunter over to safety or give Highsmith/Jenkins a shot back there.

At this point I'd rather have VT in the lineup over Rodgers.....and that's the definition of being the winner of the prettiest fat girl contest.
 
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