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DMoney said:
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"He looks like...the way he moves you can't help but think about Tyron Smith"

The great @DMoney on Zion Nelson. Wonder where I heard that before?

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So am I still an imbecile? @WhatTheHell

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'Clever' gif usage. Crappy arguments though, as usual.


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but LANCE's athletic comps dizagree!! Who needs eyes when you can have a computer recite numbers off lists?

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Ouch. Apparently signing an exciting LT project is like an addict's rock bottom. 'Clever' burn nonetheless.

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Well I enjoyed my retreat but unfortunately for some I'm back to speak my truths and settle some family business.

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Indeed it is.

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NOPE

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Can't wait to bump this when your dunk attempt gets Mutombo'd.

No offense to D$, but no one has a worse track record of Greentree evaluations than him, so using his offhand comment about Nelson in spring football where his competition was John Campbell and a walk-on quality transfer player from Butler is going to be a nice resurrection of these dunk attempts in the month of April.
 
BoxingRobes said:
No offense to D$, but no one has a worse track record of Greentree evaluations than him
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I'll put that record against anybody.

Freshman Greentree evaluations usually hit. Not that it's an impressive feat- it's very easy to spot future NFL players once they arrive. Travis Benjamin, David Njoku, Clive Walford, Adrian Colbert, Danny Isidora, Kendrick Norton, Chris Herndon and Sheldrick Redwine are all three-star guys that got flagged as NFL talents very early on Greentree.

Just for reference, here is a post from 2015 about early standouts. These are all three-star guys. Three of the five guys identified are NFL players, and Ty Gauthier (our sixth-rated OL in that class) ended up playing more than all the guys ranked ahead of him. Early impressions are very telling for freshmen.

https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/some-first-impressions.88886/
 
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From your thread...Kendrick Norton was a 7th Round pick and currently practice squad fodder...
"quicker and more explosive than I thought."...he was a 15th percentile athlete.

Ty Gauthier was a JAG and not a pro.
"Ty Gauthier is strong." We were never watching the same guy.

Lawrence Cager was somewhere between bum and soft. You pick. He was a four-star per some services btw.

Lets pump the brakes on Redwine and Jackson for a minute...I like them more than the consensus draft guys...but currently Day 3 projections.

If thats your evidence...the defense rests.

But I'll see your Day 3 players and raise you Kirby, Morris, and Kaaya and hang up.
 
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BoxingRobes said:
From your thread...Kendrick Norton was a 7th Round pick and currently practice squad fodder...
Ty Gauthier was a JAG and not a pro.
Lawrence Cager was somewhere between bum and soft. You pick. He was a four-star per some services btw.
Lets pump the brakes on Redwine and Jackson for a minute...I like them...but currently Day 3 projections.
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In other words, three NFL players out of five. I'll take that ratio for three-star players.

As for Kaaya and Morris, those are the only two QBs we've had in the past 15 years that even reached the NFL. Kaaya is our all-time leading passer. If those are the biggest misses, you need better examples.

Greentree first impressions usually translate.
 
DMoney said:
In other words, three NFL players out of five. I'll take that ratio for three-star players.

As for Kaaya and Morris, those are the only two QBs we've had in the past 15 years that even reached the NFL. Kaaya is our all-time leading passer. If those are the biggest misses, you need better examples.

Greentree first impressions usually translate.
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You're delusional right now. I'm certain you didn't type this with a straight face.

In other words, five players that go on to become somewhere on the JAG to bum spectrum...if thats your evidence to support your initial eye test on Nelson, I feel confident in not trusting those eyes. You legit said a 15th percentile athlete was explosive and a guy who routinely was knocked on his *** as strong. I don't know what to tell ya, bud.

You touted Kaaya and Morris as FIRST ROUND PICKS, pal. The North Remembers.

I've seen Nelson once this offseason...he doesn't look like trash (he looks like a freshman), but everyone that was supposed to be ahead of him absolutely do (Kennedy might legit be a bum...another guy you were touting because he was being recruited by Oklahoma)...which, as I said on the recruiting board, Nelson playing this early is an indictment of the rest of the trash Searles recruited versus something to attempt to dunk on in the spring.
 
BoxingRobes said:
Can't wait to bump this when your dunk attempt gets Mutombo'd.

No offense to D$, but no one has a worse track record of Greentree evaluations than him, so using his offhand comment about Nelson in spring football where his competition was John Campbell and a walk-on quality transfer player from Butler is going to be a nice resurrection of these dunk attempts in the month of April.
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Just accept the L and move on. Digging your heels in will only make things worse for you. You're way out of your element trying to argue OL evaluations based on lists and numbers when there are people doing real evaluations here. The kid is already challenging to start as a true freshman so he's clearly not a wasted scholarship like most of you thought. Deal with it. Nothing that happens from here can change the fact that most of you were wrong. As for me, all I said was that Nelson has a good frame, rare movement skills, plays physical and is thus a worthy take. Those are all true statements.

As for D$ he doesn't have a perfect track record but he filters information wisely and has a knack for evaluating athletic traits. I appreciate his analysis of players.
 
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BoxingRobes said:
In other words, five players that go on to become somewhere on the JAG to bum spectrum...
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Redwine’s a JAG now? Michael Jackson? Jesus.

Zion’s story has yet to be written and there are no victory laps yet. But I’m seeing the same flashes from him that I saw from guys like Njoku.

Go ahead and save this thread and we’ll see who is right on him.
 
DMoney said:
Redwine’s a JAG now? Michael Jackson? Jesus.

Zion’s story has yet to be written and there are no victory laps yet. But I’m seeing the same flashes from him that I saw from guys like Njoku.

Go ahead and save this thread and we’ll see who is right on him.
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I don't want to nitpick, but let THEIR stories be told first. MJ was a 4* btw. Calling him good and him ending up a Day 3 pick isn't something to dunk on either.

I have no problem being Frederic Weis when Zion Nelson becomes an All-Conference player or really is a good player (not just rotationally good or isn't a bum)...but I'm Mutumbo'ing all these weak attempts to come in this lane after non-victories like getting reps in spring practice over a 25 year old grandmother bodied Butler transfer. Its like...stop.

However...will you add to your gravestone with this one?

"Brad Kaaya has Peyton Manning traits and looks better than Dorsey"
"Zion Nelson looks like Tyron Smith out there"
 
BoxingRobes said:
I don't want to nitpick, but let THEIR stories be told first. MJ was a 4* btw. Calling him good and him ending up a Day 3 pick isn't something to dunk on either.

I have no problem being Frederic Weis when Zion Nelson becomes an All-Conference player or really is a good player (not just rotationally good or isn't a bum)...but I'm Mutumbo'ing all these weak attempts to come in this lane after non-victories like getting reps in spring practice over a 25 year old grandmother bodied Butler transfer. Its like...stop.

However...will you add to your gravestone with this one?

"Brad Kaaya has Peyton Manning traits and looks better than Dorsey"
"Zion Nelson looks like Tyron Smith out there"
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If Zion has a career at LT like Kaaya did at QB, we will be very happy.
 
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BoxingRobes said:
From your thread...Kendrick Norton was a 7th Round pick and currently practice squad fodder...
"quicker and more explosive than I thought."...he was a 15th percentile athlete.

Ty Gauthier was a JAG and not a pro.
"Ty Gauthier is strong." We were never watching the same guy.

Lawrence Cager was somewhere between bum and soft. You pick. He was a four-star per some services btw.

Lets pump the brakes on Redwine and Jackson for a minute...I like them more than the consensus draft guys...but currently Day 3 projections.

If thats your evidence...the defense rests.

But I'll see your Day 3 players and raise you Kirby, Morris, and Kaaya and hang up.
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Easy to be the guy constantly b*tching about what others are doing huh?

Why don’t you try contributing something yourself for a change?
 
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