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SouthParkCane said:
I don’t want to speak on character much because I’m not the coach of these kids. But from the outside looking in with my football background lense I think all the youngsters from 20 and 21 for the most part have that pride still. Still is a keyword because the now upperclassmen came in when Richt was still around and they were around some sort of winning football and they lost their way. That’s on manny’s regime. If they’re now quitters it’s because of manny and what he gives those kids to believe in. The young guys don’t know anything outside of wanting to win. They’re still pure in a sense
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@SouthParkCane I understand your point about pride being coached out of them, but one counter question. I have to believe a majority of any P5 roster is playing towards a hopeful NFL future (even though a longshot) when they first enroll. Why isn't that motivation then overriding at times? Do too many kids just not love the game enough? Are they simply content with getting the most out of the end of their career and the "fame" that comes with college ball? Or are there some using football as a way to get an education (sadly too small a percentage, but didn't want to leave out totally).
 
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shwarma5 said:
@SouthParkCane I understand your point about pride being coached out of them, but one counter question. I have to believe a majority of any P5 roster is playing towards a hopeful NFL future (even though a longshot) when they first enroll. Why isn't that motivation then overriding at times? Do too many kids just not love the game enough? Are they simply content with getting the most out of the end of their career and the "fame" that comes with college ball? Or are there some using football as a way to get an education (sadly too small a percentage, but didn't want to leave out totally).
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I think @Poopscoop kind of touched on that. A lot of our roster is composed of highlight guys. And what I mean by that is they are really only in it for the glory of self. It’s easy to be a team guy when you’re winning but when it gets tough they go back to who they always were. A lot of them were one man bands in high school. But when you start losing the realization sets in sometimes that your stats are empty or are glossed over (believe it or not being on a losing team affects draft status) and your play starts to suffer from it. Think back to that class of 20 we signed, I’ll salute manny for identifying those type of hardnosed. It was a theme that entire cycle. It carried over into that 21 class full of Dogs. Those kids exist you just have to be the coach who can keep them going.
 
DMoney said:
I’m skeptical on motivation. We will see on Saturday. The team was decently motivated against UVA but that was a deflating loss and the bye didn’t help.
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D$ is their untold team news you are aware of that has led you to this cynicism?
 
AUcane said:
How do you separate the wheat from the chaff in this case considering these kids are all about 7x7s, social media, gramming, etc? Obviously, there are exceptions, but the majority of these kids are in the same bucket when it comes to this stuff, no? In some ways, recruiting is easier b/c of access to film, in other ways, it's harder b/c of all these other things.

And guys who are all about winning does not necessarily equate to "guys that won a lot in HS".
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For me you always prioritize leaders first and foremost. Someone who's an obvious leader with a strong competitive drive will usually be able to seperate from the rest of the pack when it comes to time to work. Yeah unfortunately social media is a big thing with this generation. But for some kids they literally live and die for this nonsense. And you're absolutely right about these traits not necessarily equating to wins. But in those instances that's why you prioritize leaders and strong work ethics. You put some alphas like that in the room outside of the staff than usually a team will fall in place. In my eyes part of the problem(probably the main problem) is we put way too much stock into kids camp results & to 7 on 7. I don't care anything about either of those as it has very little to do with what actually translates to a kid and winning on Saturdays or Sundays...
 
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shwarma5 said:
@Poopscoop I hear what you are saying and that makes perfect sense. But here's then the follow-up: since you played on teams here where that was more of the norm, was there something in being recruited by Miami that made you feel they were vetting you/teammates for those traits? Kids now are naturally more distracted, soft, etc. To not have any of that is likely impossible, but the screening for it should also be more of an apparent need. Do you think coaches aren't asking, a poor judge, or being fooled on this front?
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Yeah. For us without question we lived and died for football. We lived and died for each other and we knew without question the opportunity we were being gave. Not just because we were living out our dreams but because we knew where we played had a meaning bigger than us. Throughout the week and on Saturdays in particular we were accountable to ourselves,our families,our coaches,our teammates but more than anything the dudes that came before us. Y'all don't understand what it is to have to answer the phone knowing the topic and the person on the other end of the phone your living in the shadow of. You're accountable to that person and at the end of the day you wanna justify your own name in these conversations... To prove you belong. These kids don't have that pressure because it's never been something held over them. Coaches frown on us putting that pressure on them cause they believe it hinders the approach they have. What goes on now is basically handing out ribbons for participation. When before if that was your interest and not domination you weren't welcome in our ****** locker room. You were welcome to put that helmet and pads on cause in practice we'd make **** sure we would brake people who we didn't feel had that commitment. Any of y'all get board send Jeff George a Twitter post and ask him why he didn't end up coming to Miami... I can't remember the name of that prima Donna ****boy qb who sued us but for him it was more of the same. Some funny stories throughout the years exposing people most would consider great. I just want to get back to recruiting kids again like d eriq king who all that matters is winning. That's what I want.
 
shwarma5 said:
@Poopscoop I hear what you are saying and that makes perfect sense. But here's then the follow-up: since you played on teams here where that was more of the norm, was there something in being recruited by Miami that made you feel they were vetting you/teammates for those traits? Kids now are naturally more distracted, soft, etc. To not have any of that is likely impossible, but the screening for it should also be more of an apparent need. Do you think coaches aren't asking, a poor judge, or being fooled on this front?
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And nah its not what they're asking or not. It's your asking a group of dudes who have no clue what it means to Excell on the field to judge people one way or the other for if that level is possible. When you look at our coaches take out of the equation feelings or anything else. Which one of them has achieved anything of note, and what makes you think any of them can even comprehend excellence in any trait since all of them share the same blueprint where they are very bland basic individuals... Leaders look for excellence they don't cow toe to Walmart workers because they wanna spare their feelings. Only way you get the attention of this generation is to lead by example. W elack that.
 
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shwarma5 said:
@DMoney - We all understand why players COULD give up on this team/staff. But whether for you or a guy like @Poopscoop or @SouthParkCane who have either played or are close enough to those who currently are, is there any personal pride with players? Too many guys seem to lack that trait from the outside, but that could also just be perception. I ask not as a pass for current staff (I want them out of here yesterday), but more so as a question moving forward. Shouldn't be something that kids just flip the switch on IMO.
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I think most of them have pride. It's just a negative atmosphere right now and an overall lack of confidence. When adversity hits during a game, that lack of trust and belief gets exposed.
 
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From my unprofessional psychological observance/opinion, alot of what Manny does and chooses to implement reeks of wanting acceptance, rather than attempting to build something of substance here..combine the toxic culture, the props that lost their luster after its inception year, the crickets on disciplining the multiple skipped practices, the handful of kids who quit and then were back on the roster weeks later, and the 2nd time a locker room has been divided (that we're aware of) under his tenure here makes alot of what's going on that people in the know bring to us make alot more sense, to me atleast.

The longer Blake and Manny continue to be employed, the further the damage is going to go, and I hope to ******* whatever gods anyone stands by that the people making decisions see how much worse this can and will get, the further it is permitted to progress.
 
This season has been so bad it has even dampened @DMoney 's enthusiasm. That is telling. We went from the "Perfect Storm" in beating Bama to group therapy in 5 weeks 😂😂😂. Life happens fast. #GoCanes
 
cooks002 said:
This season has been so bad it has even dampened @DMoney 's enthusiasm. That is telling. We went from the "Perfect Storm" in beating Bama to group therapy in 5 weeks 😂😂😂. Life happens fast. #GoCanes
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How damp we taking? Like a morning mist or Dan enos play sheet against Duke ?
 
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TimeBum said:
Weird feeling knowing that Diaz's career ends tomorrow.
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Poopscoop said:
And nah its not what they're asking or not. It's your asking a group of dudes who have no clue what it means to Excell on the field to judge people one way or the other for if that level is possible. When you look at our coaches take out of the equation feelings or anything else. Which one of them has achieved anything of note, and what makes you think any of them can even comprehend excellence in any trait since all of them share the same blueprint where they are very bland basic individuals... Leaders look for excellence they don't cow toe to Walmart workers because they wanna spare their feelings. Only way you get the attention of this generation is to lead by example. W elack that.
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TRob has had a pretty successful coaching Career. As has Jess Simpson. Field and Hickson seem to have had average success as coaches at least. DVD seems like a good young coach. Made NFL and seems like a good recruiter. Probably didn't earn a job at Miami yet, but I think he could be a good coach for sure. Likens has had a decent coaching career. His WRs have mostly peformed well due to the offenses they were in probably, but still not a terrible coach I'd say. Wouldn't say lashlee has been all that great, but it's not like he had a bad coaching career up to this point either. He has just mostly been the product of the HCs (who were OCs and probably the play callers or at the very least it was their system he was running) he was under though....

Honestly if you give like all but maybe 2 of the coaches we currently have on staff to a really competent HC, we are 100% a far better coached team imo. It really starts at the top imo.
 
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