Player compensation -- give me a budget

[Calinative]

Makes sense. But that's just one class of 25. If you have a roster of 85, your compensation needs to cover them all. 5M / 25 players = $200K per player * 85 players = 17M total roster. Which is right in the range @TheOriginalCane said when he wrote that 15M gets you to Top 5, 25M gets you to #1 (at least as of today's market conditions).

But I wonder if it's more about how many 5 stars and really high 4 stars your taking, and the #1-#5 guys at each position. I mean, Shemar got a lot more than 230K from A&M from what it's rumored. And Cormani is expecting a lot more than $215K. Those 5-star OTs are asking for a lot more than $175K. All hearsay, I have no inside info. So maybe what they actually get will be much lower. But if it's true, and Mario is bringing home a handful or more of Top 50 kids, #1-5 in the position group, the budget is going to be bumping up against that ceiling pretty quickly.

Well that number is an average. Obviously 5 stars will be making more than the average at their position, while low 4 stars would make below average, and 3stars would make significantly below that average.

But My point really was showing how $5m/yr is actually a lot. I mean we haven't won anything yet. I could easily see us hitting $5m+ if we start winning games. But we are still in pre-season of year 1, So i think expecting over $5m for this signing class would be expecting a lot. Plus I don't think we'll ever be consistently pulling top 5 classes. All signs are pointing to Rashada getting offered $1m or less to sign with us. So realistically at best we're talking a $3.33-$4M total budget if he's making 25%-30% of it (which is very realistic for a QB).

But also just ask yourself, realistically are we going to be able to spend as much money on recruits/players as Texas, Texas A&M, Georgia, Ohio State, USC, LSU, Alabama, Tennessee, LSU, Oklahoma, etc? Thats 10 names right there that I think we all will agree can outspend us (on field success being equal). So that means Cristobal has to outrecruit minimum of 5+ schools spending more than us to even crack the top 5... Tough odds. Not saying we can't finish top 5... but consistently? no.

 

[Calinative]

Here's Real Life vs Fan Message Board Rumors:

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It's cheaper to pay current players than to pay recruits.

Also clearly the actual $ assigned to specific players makes no sense lol. Like Being honest a Long Snapper making 1/5th what the starting potential 1st round Qb makes... Yeah that's not going to happen when you're trying to sign a recruit..

Plus you got athletes not in football which are guaranteed to be "worth" like 1/10th the value of the football players, yet are getting the same. Unless one of them (like the Basketball twin transfers) has a major Social Media presence, its probably not realistic.

 

[Calinative]

Thank u for bringing this up. This goes back to whole purpose of NIL, which was for players to get monetary compensation from endorsements, memorabilia sold, autograph signings, images used for advertisement, etc.

Boosters, unless they are using a business as a means for said players to advertise for them, I just don’t see them having any incentives from this besides seeing their favorite team win. So if boosters r spending $$ & not even getting that, I’m just not sure how long NIL in its current state will last. At least w/ Ruiz, his NIL deals r allowing kids to promote his biz; I’m just not seeing that w/ these other collectives.

Well if boosters were already paying kids anyways - with the only benefit being seeing their team win, theres not much different/worse from them with NIL now. It just makes it less illegal than before, and now they can actually get some pr benefit from it if they choose to

 

[Gocanes1990]

You know when you actually think about it and break it down, if the average class is 25 guys, even $10M/class would average $400k/player (and over 4yrs with 85 scholarship players thats $470k/player) - which is a lot. So I doubt that we'll be spending that much money. The best way to figure out our budget is to just find out how much we're willing to pay a top Qb like Rashada to come here. Because chances are the amount we spend on a QB is around 20-40% of the overall budget. If We were willing to spend $1M on Rashada (per year), that would place our budget in the $2.5m-$5m. $2.5m/yr would be really low. If we were willing to spend $2M/yr on rashada that'd be in the $5m-$10m range. And based on the rumors, we aren't willing to offer Rashada >$2m/yr... if anything the rumors are closer or even below $1m/yr. Basically I'm saying our yearly budget is probably closer $5M/yr Than $10M/yr... if not even less.. That seems like a

Just so you can see how even $5M budget is actually dropping pretty big bags for most players:

QB ~ 1/class	25.0%	$1.25M - $1.25M/player
RB ~ 1.25/class	3%	$150k - $120k/player
WR ~ 4/class	17%	$850k - $213k/player
TE ~ 1.25/class	2%	$100k - $80k/player
OT ~ 2/class	7.0%	$350k - $175k/player
iOL ~ 2.5/class	2.5%	$125k - $50k/player
EDGE ~ 2.5/class	11.5%	$575K - $230k/player
DL ~ 3/class	8%	$400k - $133k/player
LB ~ 2.25/class	4.5%	$225k - $100k/player
CB ~ 3.25/class	14.0%	$700k - $215k/player
S ~ 2/class	5.0%	$250k - $125k/player

Now ask, are we really about to pay an Average of $165k for each defensive recruit this year? Probably not....

Sadly it’s closer to 12-15. But like @Rellyrell said, it will correct. We’re in good shape not just JR moving forward. Should be top 3-7 class plus roster retention.

 

[Rellyrell]

Well if boosters were already paying kids anyways - with the only benefit being seeing their team win, theres not much different/worse from them with NIL now. It just makes it less illegal than before, and now they can actually get some pr benefit from it if they choose to

Yeah, that’s true; but, I think there’s a fundamental difference between paying a, or a couple of kids $100 - 400k one time vs. paying a recruiting class $20-30m each class. Lol.

 

[NJcane55]

Will players start staying 4 years now?

 

[Calinative]

Yeah, that’s true; but, I think there’s a fundamental difference between paying a, or a couple of kids $100 - 400k one time vs. paying a recruiting class $20-30m each class. Lol.

I don't see $20m/yr being realistic or smart. I mean $5m should be more than enough, with that going up in years we're spending real big on a QB. For context, what's our recruiting assistant budget? Probably around$5m/yr.. so surrending this amount in the actual players makes some sense to me.

I think like a one time payment for the first year being large makes sense, because otherwise we're gonna miss out on recruits. Really no option there imo. ... But paying backups hundreds of thousands to sit on the bench makes no sense either...

I just hope Cristobal attacks the portal way better in the future. That's where the best bang for the buck will likely be. To players will be a premium, but it's because they are proven commodities

 

[Calinative]

Will players start staying 4 years now?

It won't stop players with legit NFL potential from leaving.

It'll definitely make bench warmers wanna stay though lol. Who wouldn't want to be a back up football player at the University of Miami with tens of thousands of dollars in their pocket?

 

[9oh4Cane]

Thank u for bringing this up. This goes back to whole purpose of NIL, which was for players to get monetary compensation from endorsements, memorabilia sold, autograph signings, images used for advertisement, etc.

Boosters, unless they are using a business as a means for said players to advertise for them, I just don’t see them having any incentives from this besides seeing their favorite team win. So if boosters r spending $$ & not even getting that, I’m just not sure how long NIL in its current state will last. At least w/ Ruiz, his NIL deals r allowing kids to promote his biz; I’m just not seeing that w/ these other collectives.

Agreed but the amount of players in CFB that could make a meaningful contribution to one of these “businesses” bottom lines is very small IMO. This was meant for guys like Tebow, Johnny football, geaux burrow who could have made millions off their name in college but we’re prohibited from doing so… and even on a local level guys like duke johnson who could have made a decent amount of money in a city like Miami… but now it seems like everyones getting a deal.

Like every other fan base, I love this **** if it benefits us. But I mean cmon, is Nijel pack ever getting $800k from anyone other than Ruiz? Just taking my canes hat off for a sec to digest all this lunacy

 

[DTP]

I’m curious about ROI too. Everything is new and you’ve got a group of big money boosters throwing money around. Eventually, a reasonable percentage of kids getting big money are going to flop and I’m curious to see the effects of buyers remorse.

And yes, I’m aware that boosters have been gambling large sums on kids for a long time under the table but I think the money involved has increased significantly. Very few people know exactly how much schools were spending on guys before NIL but the fact that as soon as it got legalized, Texas A&M completely blew past the traditional bag schools and signed the best class ever shows me that the stakes have been upped. Dabo and Saban crying about it should tell you everything you need to know. It was much cheaper to bag kids up when only a handful of schools had the ability. You took your leased Charger from Saban or you got nothing at another school. There’s a much bigger market of teams that can pay now so players are more willing to shop around for the best deal.

 

[SFbayCane]

Can someone explain to me the ROI for boosters outside of being happy their program is winning? I get that this is lunch money to some of them, but at some point players will be bid so far up that it will be too much to justify.. IMO it’s probably already happening now.. and miss me with “oh they’ll tag the company on their social media” or some ****.. give me a break. How do they see tangible ROI without getting a cut of ticket sales, merchandise rev, etc?? How do they get these absurd numbers to make sense for their pocketbooks?

It's a write off, 904. They just write it off.

 

[9oh4Cane]

It's a write off, 904. They just write it off.



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So it’s like… free then.. right?

 

[Gocanes1990]

The ROI to supporters is pure utility value. How much do you spend per year on Miami, gear, tickets, travel. And let’s admit the last 15 years haven’t been great lol. I look at it like this, did you ever in your wildest dreams think you could contribute to the success of your favorite team? NIL does that. I think over the long term, especially when we get things rolling, this will put Miami in the upper echelon of CFB.

In terms of the university, it gets a massive lift from FB improving on all key KPIs. Plus the University gets revenue split for participation in NY6 bowl. More teams from the conference the higher the distribution SEC got $3.8m per team