Phillip Buchanon speaketh

[Dghustla]

I could vibe with everything he said until he mentioned we don't need "discpline" those "swagged" out teams didn't have discipline after the whistle but before the whistle those teams were disciplined.


And the JUCO thing. We do go after JUCOs and per the norm since Phil stopped playing college ball the SEC has "walmarted" the rest of the NCAA we have low requirements for JUCOs they go even lower. Schools offer a few hundred for a recruit they offer a hundred thousand.

And yes this team needed a culture change. After 10 yeArs of country club nature with no conditioning and no commit to building ties in south Florida with local coaches. I think we were in dire needs of a change. We were way behind the current practices in the college football.

 

[RohanMotor]

Great message board/internet sound bite but largely counterproductive at best.


The scheme may have a lot to do with it. Specifically if you are putting talented players next to jags or terrible players. It is probably hard for young developing players to learn from: Morris, Henderson, Green, Highsmith and Rodgers type players. Or grow at their position and focus when the player next to them is inept.


Unfortunatley many of our seniors are not that good, make poor decisions, are inconsistent or a combination thereof. Many of our juniors were forced to play a year earlier than they should have been, and some of the good players have been injured (Bush, Scott, Lewis) and are not where they could be.


Sadly there is a lot of work to do here and the NCAA cloud did not help. Everyone is ****ed, embarrassed and disappointed, but the coaches, players and schemes were the same as they were three weeks ago when we were flying a banner over the stadium.


If told that the team would commit essentially 3 special teams turnovers in the first half against VT, I doubt anyone would have expected a win given the loss of Duke and the discussions around the VT Defense.


The solution to our problems is recruits and/or time. Firing the coaching staff or publicly turning on Al Golden is not going to help produce either. We want turmoil in Gainesville so recruits will flip to us, but then we want to create our own turmoil so they flip to FSU/Alabama/LSU??

I'm not saying there is not validity in what he says, simply that saying it is not very productive.


Before you go there with the typical bull**** - I am as ****ed off and embarrassed as anyone and still soaked from last night's game after making the trip solo to watch a disaster. But I am realistic in that this team is not where it needs to be until we get the recruits and depth. Imploding on the team and coach won't get us there. **** this sucks!

You, sir, are correct.

 

[caneaddict]

given what Golden has had to weather the last 3 years while declining overtures from other programs, this is pure garbage

 

[supacane]

Some of yall need to wake up. Phillip has played at the U and was a baller, he also played in the NFL. He knows wtf he is talking about. And just as some of you like to talk about how much No D knows more than we do. Phil knows more than you and a DC from the MAC conference. We are forcing the players, you all called average talent to tackle in space on every play. That **** is not logical

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

Great message board/internet sound bite but largely counterproductive at best.


The scheme may have a lot to do with it. Specifically if you are putting talented players next to jags or terrible players. It is probably hard for young developing players to learn from: Morris, Henderson, Green, Highsmith and Rodgers type players. Or grow at their position and focus when the player next to them is inept.


Unfortunatley many of our seniors are not that good, make poor decisions, are inconsistent or a combination thereof. Many of our juniors were forced to play a year earlier than they should have been, and some of the good players have been injured (Bush, Scott, Lewis) and are not where they could be.


Sadly there is a lot of work to do here and the NCAA cloud did not help. Everyone is ****ed, embarrassed and disappointed, but the coaches, players and schemes were the same as they were three weeks ago when we were flying a banner over the stadium.


If told that the team would commit essentially 3 special teams turnovers in the first half against VT, I doubt anyone would have expected a win given the loss of Duke and the discussions around the VT Defense.


The solution to our problems is recruits and/or time. Firing the coaching staff or publicly turning on Al Golden is not going to help produce either. We want turmoil in Gainesville so recruits will flip to us, but then we want to create our own turmoil so they flip to FSU/Alabama/LSU??

I'm not saying there is not validity in what he says, simply that saying it is not very productive.


Before you go there with the typical bull**** - I am as ****ed off and embarrassed as anyone and still soaked from last night's game after making the trip solo to watch a disaster. But I am realistic in that this team is not where it needs to be until we get the recruits and depth. Imploding on the team and coach won't get us there. **** this sucks!

I agree with most of this but I also think there is a fundamental problem with our defensive scheme. We just gave up a ton of yards to a really bad offense. Our blitz is completely impotent and we routinely have linebackers trying to cover receivers on their own in a zone the size of Wyoming.

 

[Angry Ibis]

Great message board/internet sound bite but largely counterproductive at best.


The scheme may have a lot to do with it. Specifically if you are putting talented players next to jags or terrible players. It is probably hard for young developing players to learn from: Morris, Henderson, Green, Highsmith and Rodgers type players. Or grow at their position and focus when the player next to them is inept.


Unfortunatley many of our seniors are not that good, make poor decisions, are inconsistent or a combination thereof. Many of our juniors were forced to play a year earlier than they should have been, and some of the good players have been injured (Bush, Scott, Lewis) and are not where they could be.


Sadly there is a lot of work to do here and the NCAA cloud did not help. Everyone is ****ed, embarrassed and disappointed, but the coaches, players and schemes were the same as they were three weeks ago when we were flying a banner over the stadium.


If told that the team would commit essentially 3 special teams turnovers in the first half against VT, I doubt anyone would have expected a win given the loss of Duke and the discussions around the VT Defense.


The solution to our problems is recruits and/or time. Firing the coaching staff or publicly turning on Al Golden is not going to help produce either. We want turmoil in Gainesville so recruits will flip to us, but then we want to create our own turmoil so they flip to FSU/Alabama/LSU??

I'm not saying there is not validity in what he says, simply that saying it is not very productive.


Before you go there with the typical bull**** - I am as ****ed off and embarrassed as anyone and still soaked from last night's game after making the trip solo to watch a disaster. But I am realistic in that this team is not where it needs to be until we get the recruits and depth. Imploding on the team and coach won't get us there. **** this sucks!

I agree with most of this but I also think there is a fundamental problem with our defensive scheme. We just gave up a ton of yards to a really bad offense. Our blitz is completely impotent and we routinely have linebackers trying to cover receivers on their own in a zone the size of Wyoming.

I think that we find ourselves at that frustrating, more often infuriating, cross roads, between talent and play calling. D and Coley don't appear to have the talent or trust to call and have executed what they want. So it seems as if on O, Coley restricts the game plan to Morris' "efficiencies", but on D, the philosophy is more this is what we want to do long term to be successful so we are not going to stunt the learning process of the young because the veterans are ****** by freelancing.

What one will call stubbornness others will call growth and learning. Right now we are all calling it hard to watch and unacceptable.

Without speaking for him, I'm pretty sure Coach D is more frustrated than any of us.

 

[poncho0091]

Great message board/internet sound bite but largely counterproductive at best.


The scheme may have a lot to do with it. Specifically if you are putting talented players next to jags or terrible players. It is probably hard for young developing players to learn from: Morris, Henderson, Green, Highsmith and Rodgers type players. Or grow at their position and focus when the player next to them is inept.


Unfortunatley many of our seniors are not that good, make poor decisions, are inconsistent or a combination thereof. Many of our juniors were forced to play a year earlier than they should have been, and some of the good players have been injured (Bush, Scott, Lewis) and are not where they could be.


Sadly there is a lot of work to do here and the NCAA cloud did not help. Everyone is ****ed, embarrassed and disappointed, but the coaches, players and schemes were the same as they were three weeks ago when we were flying a banner over the stadium.


If told that the team would commit essentially 3 special teams turnovers in the first half against VT, I doubt anyone would have expected a win given the loss of Duke and the discussions around the VT Defense.


The solution to our problems is recruits and/or time. Firing the coaching staff or publicly turning on Al Golden is not going to help produce either. We want turmoil in Gainesville so recruits will flip to us, but then we want to create our own turmoil so they flip to FSU/Alabama/LSU??

I'm not saying there is not validity in what he says, simply that saying it is not very productive.


Before you go there with the typical bull**** - I am as ****ed off and embarrassed as anyone and still soaked from last night's game after making the trip solo to watch a disaster. But I am realistic in that this team is not where it needs to be until we get the recruits and depth. Imploding on the team and coach won't get us there. **** this sucks!

I agree with most of this but I also think there is a fundamental problem with our defensive scheme. We just gave up a ton of yards to a really bad offense. Our blitz is completely impotent and we routinely have linebackers trying to cover receivers on their own in a zone the size of Wyoming.

I think that we find ourselves at that frustrating, more often infuriating, cross roads, between talent and play calling. D and Coley don't appear to have the talent or trust to call and have executed what they want. So it seems as if on O, Coley restricts the game plan to Morris' "efficiencies", but on D, the philosophy is more this is what we want to do long term to be successful so we are not going to stunt the learning process of the young because the veterans are ****** by freelancing.

What one will call stubbornness others will call growth and learning. Right now we are all calling it hard to watch and unacceptable.

Without speaking for him, I'm pretty sure Coach D is more frustrated than any of us.

While I don't think our talent is the cream of the crop, I have to disagree with you in these coaches philosophies. A good coach will tweak his philosophy to his players strengths and weaknesses. These 2 have shown they can't do that imo. We might not have Alabama talent, but we have talent, at bare minimum, as much if not more than VT. Some of you are selling our players short just to deflect blame on the coaches. Having players 15 yards from LOS or from covering wide open receivers is about our scheme more than our talent.

 

[surfcane]

Phillip Buchanon ‏@PhillipBuchanon 13h
A good coach adapts his philopsophy to best fit the players he has....a poor coach tries to fix his players to adapt to his philosophy.

Coach D'onofrio in a nut shell.... he's terrible constantly blaming everything on his players instead of his stupid scheme.

All of this. Most everyone may not like Saban here, but if BAMA wins gives credit to players, coaches, fans and if they lose or play poorly - he takes the blame.

 

[Canesfan1899]

I still have faith on golden but hope he realizes that he needs
To let his friend go.

 

[Angry Ibis]

Great message board/internet sound bite but largely counterproductive at best.


The scheme may have a lot to do with it. Specifically if you are putting talented players next to jags or terrible players. It is probably hard for young developing players to learn from: Morris, Henderson, Green, Highsmith and Rodgers type players. Or grow at their position and focus when the player next to them is inept.


Unfortunatley many of our seniors are not that good, make poor decisions, are inconsistent or a combination thereof. Many of our juniors were forced to play a year earlier than they should have been, and some of the good players have been injured (Bush, Scott, Lewis) and are not where they could be.


Sadly there is a lot of work to do here and the NCAA cloud did not help. Everyone is ****ed, embarrassed and disappointed, but the coaches, players and schemes were the same as they were three weeks ago when we were flying a banner over the stadium.


If told that the team would commit essentially 3 special teams turnovers in the first half against VT, I doubt anyone would have expected a win given the loss of Duke and the discussions around the VT Defense.


The solution to our problems is recruits and/or time. Firing the coaching staff or publicly turning on Al Golden is not going to help produce either. We want turmoil in Gainesville so recruits will flip to us, but then we want to create our own turmoil so they flip to FSU/Alabama/LSU??

I'm not saying there is not validity in what he says, simply that saying it is not very productive.


Before you go there with the typical bull**** - I am as ****ed off and embarrassed as anyone and still soaked from last night's game after making the trip solo to watch a disaster. But I am realistic in that this team is not where it needs to be until we get the recruits and depth. Imploding on the team and coach won't get us there. **** this sucks!

I agree with most of this but I also think there is a fundamental problem with our defensive scheme. We just gave up a ton of yards to a really bad offense. Our blitz is completely impotent and we routinely have linebackers trying to cover receivers on their own in a zone the size of Wyoming.

I think that we find ourselves at that frustrating, more often infuriating, cross roads, between talent and play calling. D and Coley don't appear to have the talent or trust to call and have executed what they want. So it seems as if on O, Coley restricts the game plan to Morris' "efficiencies", but on D, the philosophy is more this is what we want to do long term to be successful so we are not going to stunt the learning process of the young because the veterans are ****** by freelancing.

What one will call stubbornness others will call growth and learning. Right now we are all calling it hard to watch and unacceptable.

Without speaking for him, I'm pretty sure Coach D is more frustrated than any of us.

While I don't think our talent is the cream of the crop, I have to disagree with you in these coaches philosophies. A good coach will tweak his philosophy to his players strengths and weaknesses. These 2 have shown they can't do that imo. We might not have Alabama talent, but we have talent, at bare minimum, as much if not more than VT. Some of you are selling our players short just to deflect blame on the coaches. Having players 15 yards from LOS or from covering wide open receivers is about our scheme more than our talent.

Coaches did not fumble twice and have a bad snap on special teams, but they are responsible for teaching proper execution. So talent and execution issues are factually present.

Coley appears to be coaching to Morris' talents - and our offense has been struggling when Morris struggles.

Coach D is using the other philosophy it would appear and we are also struggling.

Not saying I agree with either of them, but they aren't benching Morris or scrapping the D at this point in the season that I can tell.

 

[Cash]

Phillip Buchanon ‏@PhillipBuchanon 13h
Good & bad coaching shows up in big games. Coaches are teachers. Think about whether the techniques the players are using is good or bad.

Phillip Buchanon ‏@PhillipBuchanon 13h
It's ok if you don't know the proper techniques, but you have to be willing to learn from other, better coaches.

Phillip Buchanon ‏@PhillipBuchanon 13h
A good coach adapts his philopsophy to best fit the players he has....a poor coach tries to fix his players to adapt to his philosophy.

Phillip Buchanon ‏@PhillipBuchanon 11h
Why change the culture of a program that's been winning with it since 1983? We don't need an overdose of "discipline" in an orange tie,

Phillip Buchanon ‏@PhillipBuchanon 11h
we need wins. We need our 30 for 30 identity back or our early 2000's style.

Phillip Buchanon ‏@PhillipBuchanon 11h
To the Academic department, thanks for not accepting JC players like we did from 1983 through 2004.

Phillip Buchanon ‏@PhillipBuchanon 11h
We need JC lineman that are able to step on the field and play immediately, not a year from when you sign them.


The reality is starting to set in fellas. Oh boy.

Not off the Golden train yet, but cot dammit he may not be ruthless enough for a job like this.

I grew up with PBuch and he doesn't pull punches! Can't say I disagree with a single word.

 

[Dingaan1828]

he never had the most talent in the mac. he was recruiting fcs talent and basketball players. kids that had no options. i know of a family friend who played at temple. he took anyone.

I guess all the recruiting sites, Lemming, Phil Steele used to Rave about how he was getting solid talent for a Mac program and rated his classes the best his last 2 years in the conference..

This became some giant myth. He recruited MAC type talent every year. Just go look at Rivals. His recruiting was right on par with the rest of the conference.

^^^ this. I don't know how that myth ever got traction. All it takes is looking at the numbers to make the "talent advantage" argument laughable.