Past D's of Golden and D'no

[Canes581]

For you guys laughing at the NIU video, please re-watch it and actually look at the defensive play calls and see whats going on. You guys are acting as if an offense should be stopped every single play of a game. Yes there are some plays there that were open, but a lot of the plays that niu made, there were players in position to make plays and just didnt. NIUs QB also made some great throws and theres not much a d coordinator can do about that, and on many of the other plays like some of the options for example, they were fine play calls, the Temple players just made bad reads and didnt make plays. And I get that Temple played some bad offenses, but they did exactly what they should have done against those bad offenses. They stopped them and finished the season with the 16th ranked defense in the country. What more can you expect from temple? A team that was literally in the crapper a few seasons before that.

Im not saying I condone whats going on with our defense right now, because I dont. I'm just trying to look at things a different way than every person here who says that this defense will never work. Our defense is currently letting up over 500 yards to terrible teams, which sucks, but looking at Temple, I see how this scheme could work in the future. Some of you say NIU gashed Temple but its not like they let up 500 yards like we are now. In fact, Temple actually held NIU to 30 less yards than their season average as well as holding them to 7 points less than they averaged. NIU was the much better team that season and it showed, but at least Temple did ok against them. When looking at the film though, I see a defense that with some slight adjustments, could work.

If we still are running this D next year, I'm sure we will start seeing some more creativity once we start getting more talented players on the field and I believe that in a few years, this defense could be dominant again. Sorry for the optimism because I know that's not very welcome on this board right now, but i just wanted to bring a little different look at things than what has been brought here lately.

 

[EmileLilly]

For you guys laughing at the NIU video, please re-watch it and actually look at the defensive play calls and see whats going on. You guys are acting as if an offense should be stopped every single play of a game. Yes there are some plays there that were open, but a lot of the plays that niu made, there were players in position to make plays and just didnt. NIUs QB also made some great throws and theres not much a d coordinator can do about that, and on many of the other plays like some of the options for example, they were fine play calls, the Temple players just made bad reads and didnt make plays. And I get that Temple played some bad offenses, but they did exactly what they should have done against those bad offenses. They stopped them and finished the season with the 16th ranked defense in the country. What more can you expect from temple? A team that was literally in the crapper a few seasons before that.


Im not saying I condone whats going on with our defense right now, because I dont. I'm just trying to look at things a different way than every person here who says that this defense will never work. Our defense is currently letting up over 500 yards to terrible teams, which sucks, but looking at Temple, I see how this scheme could work in the future. Some of you say NIU gashed Temple but its not like they let up 500 yards like we are now. In fact, Temple actually held NIU to 30 less yards than their season average as well as holding them to 7 points less than they averaged. NIU was the much better team that season and it showed, but at least Temple did ok against them. When looking at the film though, I see a defense that with some slight adjustments, could work.

If we still are running this D next year, I'm sure we will start seeing some more creativity once we start getting more talented players on the field and I believe that in a few years, this defense could be dominant again. Sorry for the optimism because I know that's not very welcome on this board right now, but i just wanted to bring a little different look at things than what has been brought here lately.

Perhaps I'm also a dumb optimist, but I tend to agree with you. Temple in 2010 had a Top 20# defense, so Golden and D have had success with their style of defense. However, some of the posters absolutely hate D to unmentionable levels. Like everyone, I was ****ed off with the way the defense performed aganist VT, but the venom spewed and total hatred that has hit this forum borders on the insane. If you hate the performance of the defense I will not argue with you at all, but with some people it is as if D murders puppies in his spare time and is the worst man in existence.

 

[skyman]

This post inspired me to go look up numbers from this past great D that Dorito coordinated at Temple. I have heard about this 2010 defense as a rebuttal whenever someone questioned if he could build a top Defense. This #16 ranked Defense has been bought up time and again as a example of what we could become. I know Temple regardless of number was a terrible team and the job to make them respectable is commendable no matter what. But at the end of the day these were the offenses that they had to play against. This is total O for 11 of the 12 opponents. Villanova I suspect was not an FBS school at the time so the dont make the 120 rankings.

Rankings as Follow:

Central Mich- Total O- 50
Uconn- Total 0- 96
Penn St- Total O- 68
Army- Total O-93
Northern Ill- Total O- 19
Bowling Green- Total O-115
Buffalo- Total O-111
Akron- Total O - 119
Kent St- Total O- 102
Ohio- Total O- 95
Miami(OH)- Total O- 81

Hopefully this will help further drive the discussion. I also hope this doesnt cause a verbal assault from C4L that we are OVERREACTING.

PS: If need be we can dig deeper into the numbers if scoring offense is needed, I dont know if the same yards dont matter philosophy is applied to the Offense. I will update with win/loss with score if requested.

If you want to argue that Temple's high national defensive ranking was a product of Temple facing a lot of the nation's worst offenses, that's fine. After all, Temple didn't literally have a defense that was the 16th best in the country.

Let's throw out the national stats then and look at Temple from within the context of what they really were: a MAC team, and see where their defense ranked compared to the rest of the MAC during Golden/Donofrio's tenure there.

Thats cool and all, but I dont want Mac coaches. I want coaches that can coach at a high level BCS school. This was just to show what they did against comparable talent. Those teams suck, Dorito has been here 3 years I dont even have to look at his temple tenure anymore because I have enough to make my own thoughts from his time here. Though the talent level will get better and help mask his terribleness, I think whenever we play a quality team with even a semi competent OC he would be undressed. I see us dropping a game or two every year. Even with his boy dumbing down the schedule and practically avoiding quality opponents I still know he wont be able to hide in conference.

It took me 3 years to actually go look up those numbers for Dorito's top D. If you want to prove a point go look em up, I aint got time for it. I honestly dont even need to see them because my eyes have seen enough the last couple years. But lets give him more time.

 

[Loafers]

This post inspired me to go look up numbers from this past great D that Dorito coordinated at Temple. I have heard about this 2010 defense as a rebuttal whenever someone questioned if he could build a top Defense. This #16 ranked Defense has been bought up time and again as a example of what we could become. I know Temple regardless of number was a terrible team and the job to make them respectable is commendable no matter what. But at the end of the day these were the offenses that they had to play against. This is total O for 11 of the 12 opponents. Villanova I suspect was not an FBS school at the time so the dont make the 120 rankings.

Rankings as Follow:

Central Mich- Total O- 50
Uconn- Total 0- 96
Penn St- Total O- 68
Army- Total O-93
Northern Ill- Total O- 19
Bowling Green- Total O-115
Buffalo- Total O-111
Akron- Total O - 119
Kent St- Total O- 102
Ohio- Total O- 95
Miami(OH)- Total O- 81

Hopefully this will help further drive the discussion. I also hope this doesnt cause a verbal assault from C4L that we are OVERREACTING.

PS: If need be we can dig deeper into the numbers if scoring offense is needed, I dont know if the same yards dont matter philosophy is applied to the Offense. I will update with win/loss with score if requested.

If you want to argue that Temple's high national defensive ranking was a product of Temple facing a lot of the nation's worst offenses, that's fine. After all, Temple didn't literally have a defense that was the 16th best in the country.

Let's throw out the national stats then and look at Temple from within the context of what they really were: a MAC team, and see where their defense ranked compared to the rest of the MAC during Golden/Donofrio's tenure there.

Thats cool and all, but I dont want Mac coaches. I want coaches that can coach at a high level BCS school. This was just to show what they did against comparable talent. Those teams suck, Dorito has been here 3 years I dont even have to look at his temple tenure anymore because I have enough to make my own thoughts from his time here. Though the talent level will get better and help mask his terribleness, I think whenever we play a quality team with even a semi competent OC he would be undressed. I see us dropping a game or two every year. Even with his boy dumbing down the schedule and practically avoiding quality opponents I still know he wont be able to hide in conference.

It took me 3 years to actually go look up those numbers for Dorito's top D. If you want to prove a point go look em up, I aint got time for it. I honestly dont even need to see them because my eyes have seen enough the last couple years. But lets give him more time.

No offense but you don't understand how to use statistics or what he was asking. What he was asking was that a fair comparison would be to see how those other teams defenses performed. They all presumably face similarly por offenses therefore they ALL should have a high defensive ranking. If they do, then the temple ranking means nothing it's just a product of poor offenses. If the res of the conference has low ranking defenses than that would indicate that they were accomplishing something the other teams weren't therefore deserve credit. I don't know the answer and I don't have the time to look it up, maybe somebody else can. The fact is you made up your mind and then went out and found some numbers that u feel support your argument. That's fine the defense sucks and everyone knows it, so there is no reason to try so hard to find another meaningless stat to try and prove it.

 

[NVA CANE]

You know how I know a defensive coordinator and his or the head coaches philosophy is not good? After three years he is still getting blown out by inept offenses or he can't seem to stop the bleeding of how many yards his defense is giving up. You know how I know Dorito isn't good? Because he believes yards don't matter. He looks at the final score as his best indicator for a defense and that's not the only thing you measure by. You know how I know that's a stupid philosophy? Because our defense is mentally and physically shot from playing the bend don't break. You know why they miss tackles? Cause they are physically tired. You know how else I know Dorito is not a good coordinator? Because he believes knocking the ball down is equivalent to a sack. You know what that tells me? That his defensive philosophy is soft and won't get results.

But since you want to look at history compare Goldens last year at temple to Addazios first year there. Addazio implemented a more aggressive defense and guess what he shaved a good 6 points per game off of points allowed. He also played a slightly tougher strength of schedule. The point is, golden is a great CEO we all acknowledge it. But his defense is soft and it doesn't maximize the talent that he has. And that soft **** is not gonna work in Miami.

 

[HarryCarayisGoat]

You know how I know a d-coordinator sucks?

Va Tech, who scored 10 points vs Duke and 15 vs East Carolina, scorches his offense for 500 yards and whose quarterback looked inept all season looks like Tom Brady against your D.

 

[RiDLer80]

You know how I know a defensive coordinator and his or the head coaches philosophy is not good? After three years he is still getting blown out by inept offenses or he can't seem to stop the bleeding of how many yards his defense is giving up. You know how I know Dorito isn't good? Because he believes yards don't matter. He looks at the final score as his best indicator for a defense and that's not the only thing you measure by. You know how I know that's a stupid philosophy? Because our defense is mentally and physically shot from playing the bend don't break. You know why they miss tackles? Cause they are physically tired. You know how else I know Dorito is not a good coordinator? Because he believes knocking the ball down is equivalent to a sack. You know what that tells me? That his defensive philosophy is soft and won't get results.

But since you want to look at history compare Goldens last year at temple to Addazios first year there. Addazio implemented a more aggressive defense and guess what he shaved a good 6 points per game off of points allowed. He also played a slightly tougher strength of schedule. The point is, golden is a great CEO we all acknowledge it. But his defense is soft and it doesn't maximize the talent that he has. And that soft **** is not gonna work in Miami.

PREACH!

 

[RiDLer80]

Perhaps I'm also a dumb optimist, but I tend to agree with you. Temple in 2010 had a Top 20# defense, so Golden and D have had success with their style of defense. However, some of the posters absolutely hate D to unmentionable levels. Like everyone, I was ****ed off with the way the defense performed aganist VT, but the venom spewed and total hatred that has hit this forum borders on the insane. If you hate the performance of the defense I will not argue with you at all, but with some people it is as if D murders puppies in his spare time and is the worst man in existence.

You are.

 

[DeadPoets]

For you guys laughing at the NIU video, please re-watch it and actually look at the defensive play calls and see whats going on. You guys are acting as if an offense should be stopped every single play of a game. Yes there are some plays there that were open, but a lot of the plays that niu made, there were players in position to make plays and just didnt. NIUs QB also made some great throws and theres not much a d coordinator can do about that, and on many of the other plays like some of the options for example, they were fine play calls, the Temple players just made bad reads and didnt make plays. And I get that Temple played some bad offenses, but they did exactly what they should have done against those bad offenses. They stopped them and finished the season with the 16th ranked defense in the country. What more can you expect from temple? A team that was literally in the crapper a few seasons before that.

Im not saying I condone whats going on with our defense right now, because I dont. I'm just trying to look at things a different way than every person here who says that this defense will never work. Our defense is currently letting up over 500 yards to terrible teams, which sucks, but looking at Temple, I see how this scheme could work in the future. Some of you say NIU gashed Temple but its not like they let up 500 yards like we are now. In fact, Temple actually held NIU to 30 less yards than their season average as well as holding them to 7 points less than they averaged. NIU was the much better team that season and it showed, but at least Temple did ok against them. When looking at the film though, I see a defense that with some slight adjustments, could work.

If we still are running this D next year, I'm sure we will start seeing some more creativity once we start getting more talented players on the field and I believe that in a few years, this defense could be dominant again. Sorry for the optimism because I know that's not very welcome on this board right now, but i just wanted to bring a little different look at things than what has been brought here lately.

I saw CBs 10 yards off the ball, flat routes going for TDs, so on & so forth. It's identical to what we see today.
And the Penn St video is worthless. PSU in 2010 ran only traditional sets with a lot of I-form, 1 & 2 WR sets.

Any defense can look good against that predictable, archaic offense. CFB has changed & D'Onofrio & Golden haven't.
They talked about being multiple... but there's nothing multiple about staying in your base set against 4 and 5 wide.

But watch Penn State's first drive. Bootleg WIDE OPEN. When they did send 4 WRs out.. middle of field WIDE OPEN.

SAME **** That was a 7-6 Penn State team too. Look how awful Penn State's schedule was. Look familiar?

Fvck Joe Pa & the **** he gave us at HC & DC.

 

[CaneMutiny06]

Thats cool and all, but I dont want Mac coaches.

Well, Golden is/was a MAC coach, so you might as well write him off. Along with other guys that got their HC starts in the MAC, like Urban Meyer and Nick Saban.

 

[EmileLilly]

You know how I know a d-coordinator sucks?

Va Tech, who scored 10 points vs Duke and 15 vs East Carolina, scorches his offense for 500 yards and whose quarterback looked inept all season looks like Tom Brady against your D.

I don't at all disagree that the defense is terrible, but you don't have to use logical fallacies to make an argument.

 

[HurricaneU]

I don't know if this metric exists anywhere, but I think it would be useful to see how many times and for how long, a defense has had to come on to the field due to a turnover or a three-and-out series by an offense. This is NOT a veiled criticism of our offense. I just think it would be interesting to see what defenses consistently respond, wear down; how often do opponents tend to score, etc...

I think it would be an interesting metric.

 

[MIA42178]

This post inspired me to go look up numbers from this past great D that Dorito coordinated at Temple. I have heard about this 2010 defense as a rebuttal whenever someone questioned if he could build a top Defense. This #16 ranked Defense has been bought up time and again as a example of what we could become. I know Temple regardless of number was a terrible team and the job to make them respectable is commendable no matter what. But at the end of the day these were the offenses that they had to play against. This is total O for 11 of the 12 opponents. Villanova I suspect was not an FBS school at the time so the dont make the 120 rankings.

Rankings as Follow:

Central Mich- Total O- 50
Uconn- Total 0- 96
Penn St- Total O- 68
Army- Total O-93
Northern Ill- Total O- 19
Bowling Green- Total O-115
Buffalo- Total O-111
Akron- Total O - 119
Kent St- Total O- 102
Ohio- Total O- 95
Miami(OH)- Total O- 81

Hopefully this will help further drive the discussion. I also hope this doesnt cause a verbal assault from C4L that we are OVERREACTING.

PS: If need be we can dig deeper into the numbers if scoring offense is needed, I dont know if the same yards dont matter philosophy is applied to the Offense. I will update with win/loss with score if requested.

If you want to argue that Temple's high national defensive ranking was a product of Temple facing a lot of the nation's worst offenses, that's fine. After all, Temple didn't literally have a defense that was the 16th best in the country.

Let's throw out the national stats then and look at Temple from within the context of what they really were: a MAC team, and see where their defense ranked compared to the rest of the MAC during Golden/Donofrio's tenure there.

For you guys laughing at the NIU video, please re-watch it and actually look at the defensive play calls and see whats going on. You guys are acting as if an offense should be stopped every single play of a game. Yes there are some plays there that were open, but a lot of the plays that niu made, there were players in position to make plays and just didnt. NIUs QB also made some great throws and theres not much a d coordinator can do about that, and on many of the other plays like some of the options for example, they were fine play calls, the Temple players just made bad reads and didnt make plays. And I get that Temple played some bad offenses, but they did exactly what they should have done against those bad offenses. They stopped them and finished the season with the 16th ranked defense in the country. What more can you expect from temple? A team that was literally in the crapper a few seasons before that.

Im not saying I condone whats going on with our defense right now, because I dont. I'm just trying to look at things a different way than every person here who says that this defense will never work. Our defense is currently letting up over 500 yards to terrible teams, which sucks, but looking at Temple, I see how this scheme could work in the future. Some of you say NIU gashed Temple but its not like they let up 500 yards like we are now. In fact, Temple actually held NIU to 30 less yards than their season average as well as holding them to 7 points less than they averaged. NIU was the much better team that season and it showed, but at least Temple did ok against them. When looking at the film though, I see a defense that with some slight adjustments, could work.

If we still are running this D next year, I'm sure we will start seeing some more creativity once we start getting more talented players on the field and I believe that in a few years, this defense could be dominant again. Sorry for the optimism because I know that's not very welcome on this board right now, but i just wanted to bring a little different look at things than what has been brought here lately.

3 posts?
Shouldn't you be preparing for Duke Coach D?

 

[TotesMagotes]

To run the 3-4 effectively you need safeties that are fast and can tackle. I was at this past game and our safeties were terrible against the run and pass. I hope golden can get recruit big corners and athletic safeties or we are gonna be screwed in the 3-4.

So whats the defense that works with slow safeties who can't tackle so we can start using that?

 

[Canes581]

This post inspired me to go look up numbers from this past great D that Dorito coordinated at Temple. I have heard about this 2010 defense as a rebuttal whenever someone questioned if he could build a top Defense. This #16 ranked Defense has been bought up time and again as a example of what we could become. I know Temple regardless of number was a terrible team and the job to make them respectable is commendable no matter what. But at the end of the day these were the offenses that they had to play against. This is total O for 11 of the 12 opponents. Villanova I suspect was not an FBS school at the time so the dont make the 120 rankings.

Rankings as Follow:

Central Mich- Total O- 50
Uconn- Total 0- 96
Penn St- Total O- 68
Army- Total O-93
Northern Ill- Total O- 19
Bowling Green- Total O-115
Buffalo- Total O-111
Akron- Total O - 119
Kent St- Total O- 102
Ohio- Total O- 95
Miami(OH)- Total O- 81

Hopefully this will help further drive the discussion. I also hope this doesnt cause a verbal assault from C4L that we are OVERREACTING.

PS: If need be we can dig deeper into the numbers if scoring offense is needed, I dont know if the same yards dont matter philosophy is applied to the Offense. I will update with win/loss with score if requested.

If you want to argue that Temple's high national defensive ranking was a product of Temple facing a lot of the nation's worst offenses, that's fine. After all, Temple didn't literally have a defense that was the 16th best in the country.

Let's throw out the national stats then and look at Temple from within the context of what they really were: a MAC team, and see where their defense ranked compared to the rest of the MAC during Golden/Donofrio's tenure there.

For you guys laughing at the NIU video, please re-watch it and actually look at the defensive play calls and see whats going on. You guys are acting as if an offense should be stopped every single play of a game. Yes there are some plays there that were open, but a lot of the plays that niu made, there were players in position to make plays and just didnt. NIUs QB also made some great throws and theres not much a d coordinator can do about that, and on many of the other plays like some of the options for example, they were fine play calls, the Temple players just made bad reads and didnt make plays. And I get that Temple played some bad offenses, but they did exactly what they should have done against those bad offenses. They stopped them and finished the season with the 16th ranked defense in the country. What more can you expect from temple? A team that was literally in the crapper a few seasons before that.

Im not saying I condone whats going on with our defense right now, because I dont. I'm just trying to look at things a different way than every person here who says that this defense will never work. Our defense is currently letting up over 500 yards to terrible teams, which sucks, but looking at Temple, I see how this scheme could work in the future. Some of you say NIU gashed Temple but its not like they let up 500 yards like we are now. In fact, Temple actually held NIU to 30 less yards than their season average as well as holding them to 7 points less than they averaged. NIU was the much better team that season and it showed, but at least Temple did ok against them. When looking at the film though, I see a defense that with some slight adjustments, could work.

If we still are running this D next year, I'm sure we will start seeing some more creativity once we start getting more talented players on the field and I believe that in a few years, this defense could be dominant again. Sorry for the optimism because I know that's not very welcome on this board right now, but i just wanted to bring a little different look at things than what has been brought here lately.

3 posts?
Shouldn't you be preparing for Duke Coach D?

Oh dang. You got me. Im Coach D

but seriously, I wouldnt even be opposed to D'no being fired, but we all know that hes Goldens best friend and who knows what the likely hood of him actually being fired is. So instead of jumping off a cliff like most, I'm trying to look at how this defense could possibly work. And who knows if it actually would. Maybe Temple was good because of playing bad teams, but watched the film and i saw the defense doing some things that we do not currently do and after watching the film, I still think that with small changes on d, it could work.

 

[Canesfan1899]

If I read much more of this im really gonna jump.

I cant take much more reality. I want to reverse time and think that we back.

lol @ the 2nd video and Northern Illinois doing whatever they want against D'Onofrio's whack a$$ defense.
All I had to watch was the first drive. but I bet NIU score over 40 in that game.

31 but still lulz at that video

I understand the bend don't break philosophy when you are outmanned against superior competition, but you giving up 400 yards against any offense with a pulse is not acceptable here.

I also realize the talent level isn't where we want it, but this is the university of Miami, not ******* temple! Enough of this passive approach and get after it.

 

[capefearcane]

Thats cool and all, but I dont want Mac coaches.

Well, Golden is/was a MAC coach, so you might as well write him off. Along with other guys that got their HC starts in the MAC, like Urban Meyer and Nick Saban.

....and Bo Schembechler, Ara Parseghian, Woody Hayes, Jim Grobe, Randy Walker and Ron Zook among others. MAC has always been a coach birthing league.

 

[capefearcane]

Thanks for the original post, enjoy getting the knowledge.

 

[LVCanesfan]

Here is my input. Why are you switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4 when you don't have the people to do so? That to me is just insane. Now if you want to run a 3-4, throw it in from time to time with the right group of defenders and play it from time to time to confuse the QB/offense. It's just like Nebraska when their head coach a while back wanted a passing/west coast offense, but they had the people to run the option. Talk about a disaster. We are seeing the same here, only on our defense. (also I hate this two gap defense, let the guys on the DL do their thing.....see Robinson for my example).

Because that's the defense he knows and wants.

I understand that. If your players are not suited to play that defense, change your style until you can recruit the players you need to run your system. It's not rocket science.