Our defense is bizarre

[CanesAreAble]

I'm sure other people will use more colorful adjectives to describe it LOL

The stats do not match the eye test.

On paper, we look like an average/above average defense.

Total defense: 310.7 ypg (19th)
Scoring defense: 22.6 ppg (52nd)
Rush defense: 95.2 ypg (8th)
Pass defense: 215.4 ypg (63rd)
Pass efficiency defense: 113.1 rating (18th)
Yards per play: 5.0 (37th)
3rd down defense: 30.1% (12th)
Takeaways: 15 (31st)
Sacks: 27 (11th)

Some of the those metrics are even elite.

But it's no surprise that the problem is we give up way too many explosives.

Scrimmage plays over 40 yards: 10 (90th)
Scrimmage plays over 50 yards: 7 (112th)

And while we're really good on 3rd down, we often have to stop teams four times.

4th down defense: 57.9% (83rd)

We've also faced the 30th most 4th downs (19; the leader has faced 27), so teams are going for it a lot in order to keep pace with our offense.

We all know what the problems are. The question is are there any big fixes this late in the season?

Jadais Richard going down hurts. Hopefully Damari Brown can come back before the ACCCG. Getting competent nickel play would make a world of difference with OJ emerging as a solid outside corner.

Porter needs to go back to his natural position outside.

Patterson seems to be earning minutes at SS. He gets knock-back when he's in the game, which is refreshing when other guys are getting carried for 3-4 yards.

Did Kiko put on weight this offseason? He looks sluggish this year. Might need to limit his snaps.

We dropped 8 a few times, and Murphy looked confused. I know we struggle in zone, but we're going to have to mix it in if for no other reason than to make the QB think for a half a click.

Pray to Jobu that Damari Brown can return healthy and settle things down in the secondary.

We limit the explosive plays, and we have as a good a shot as any team to win it all.

 

[OldhamA]

The defence is Jekyll and Hyde. We seem to flip a switch in the second half:

Duke - 3 points (and it should really have been 0, Diaz waved the white flag there)
VT - 10 points
USF - 0 points
Florida - 7 points (and that was backups)

The Duke and VT games could have got out of hand if they'd kept scoring. Against Cal we held them to 3 points in the 4Q when the game was on the line.

Also, I'm sorry he got hurt and I hope he has a full recovery, but Jadais Richard being injured is not a bad thing. He's been terrible all year.

 

[rascon]

2nd half is when teams revert back to their film allowing us to stop them.

1st half opposing teams give us new looks we haven’t seen and we answer with man and boom, explosive play.

There are a lot of good analysis in the rewatch game thread.

 

[JamesQuall]

I'm sure other people will use more colorful adjectives to describe it LOL

The stats do not match the eye test.

On paper, we look like an average/above average defense.

Total defense: 310.7 ypg (19th)
Scoring defense: 22.6 ppg (52nd)
Rush defense: 95.2 ypg (8th)
Pass defense: 215.4 ypg (63rd)
Pass efficiency defense: 113.1 rating (18th)
Yards per play: 5.0 (37th)
3rd down defense: 30.1% (12th)
Takeaways: 15 (31st)
Sacks: 27 (11th)

Some of the those metrics are even elite.

But it's no surprise that the problem is we give up way too many explosives.

Scrimmage plays over 40 yards: 10 (90th)
Scrimmage plays over 50 yards: 7 (112th)

And while we're really good on 3rd down, we often have to stop teams four times.

4th down defense: 57.9% (83rd)

We've also faced the 30th most 4th downs (19; the leader has faced 27), so teams are going for it a lot in order to keep pace with our offense.

We all know what the problems are. The question is are there any big fixes this late in the season?

Jadais Richard going down hurts. Hopefully Damari Brown can come back before the ACCCG. Getting competent nickel play would make a world of difference with OJ emerging as a solid outside corner.

Porter needs to go back to his natural position outside.

Patterson seems to be earning minutes at SS. He gets knock-back when he's in the game, which is refreshing when other guys are getting carried for 3-4 yards.

Did Kiko put on weight this offseason? He looks sluggish this year. Might need to limit his snaps.

We dropped 8 a few times, and Murphy looked confused. I know we struggle in zone, but we're going to have to mix it in if for no other reason than to make the QB think for a half a click.

Pray to Jobu that Damari Brown can return healthy and settle things down in the secondary.

We limit the explosive plays, and we have as a good a shot as any team to win it all.

Question, the stats that you used, do they happen to include FAMU, Ball St, and USF?

If the answer is yes, I’m sure if you removed those the numbers would look much closer to what our eyes are seeing.

 

[EudocimusAlbus]

I really think having to defend 4 downs on every series seems to be a trickier thing than we realize.

 

[CanesAreAble]

Question, the stats that you used, do they happen to include FAMU, Ball St, and USF?

If the answer is yes, I’m sure if you removed those the numbers would look much closer to what our eyes are seeing.

But at this point in the season, everyone has played the cupcakes and has gotten deep into conference play.

 

[JamesQuall]

But at this point in the season, everyone has played the cupcakes and has gotten deep into conference play.

Yes, but this defense is not what the stat sheet shows.

It’s a stats vs statistics thing that I’m getting at. Looking at it from a statistics standpoint the 3 games I pointed out (UF too but they’re P4 so can be included) look like they may be statistical anomalies and discarded. Then you get a better picture of our defense statistically.

Does that make sense?

I mean when most ACC teams that we face put up season high point totals and close to season high passing totals, it leads to what we see in this thread.

People argue that our defense is “not that bad, look at the stats!” But if you watch the games you realize our defense is terrible. The worst we’ve had in a decade.

The one bright spot is the run defense but I think teams are gashing us through the air so there is no need to really test us in the run game.

 

[mcnaire2004]

The stats are for the Slurpers to defend what we all can clearly see is trash. A few great D lineman aren't with to overcome Guidrys shortcomings. He's a likeable guy but that's it. He needs to go.

 

[DMoney]

The stats are for the Slurpers to defend what we all can clearly see is trash.

Stats are important because they put things in context. Our fans don't watch every game from every team, so the eye test is limited.

In this case, the stats support what everyone agrees on- the defense isn't playing anywhere close to good enough to accomplish the team's goals.

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

The defence is Jekyll and Hyde. We seem to flip a switch in the second half:

Duke - 3 points (and it should really have been 0, Diaz waved the white flag there)
VT - 10 points
USF - 0 points
Florida - 7 points (and that was backups)

The Duke and VT games could have got out of hand if they'd kept scoring. Against Cal we held them to 3 points in the 4Q when the game was on the line.

Also, I'm sorry he got hurt and I hope he has a full recovery, but Jadais Richard being injured is not a bad thing. He's been terrible all year.

Duke scored 10 in the 2nd half. They took the opening kickoff of the half right down the field and scored. But from that point on, we smothered them.

I’m planning to make a thread this week highlighting the 2nd half performances of both units in the 2nd half of games. It’s pretty staggering.

As I mentioned, Duke got the ball out of the half yesterday, went down, and stuck it in the endzone. And Miami still won the 2nd half 36-10. Wtf.

 

[423Hurricane]

Duke scored 10 in the 2nd half. They took the opening kickoff of the half right down the field and scored. But from that point on, we smothered them.

I’m planning to make a thread this week highlighting the 2nd half performances of both units in the 2nd half of games. It’s pretty staggering.

As I mentioned, Duke got the ball out of the half yesterday, went down, and stuck it in the endzone. And Miami still won the 2nd half 36-10. Wtf.

Seems the D makes good adjustments at the half. Not making excuses, but Guidry has mentioned a few times opponents do things to start games they haven’t shown on film. Then they go back to what they usually do after a few drives.

 

[passitback]

Couldn't care less about what the stats indicate. The defense is sus, at best, and does not pass the eye test.

We will eventually get exposed, like my Yankees did.

We cannot afford to be so fundamentally unsound. It simply will not last and Camdini can only do so much.

Guidry needs to get his **** together, because the defense is the weakest link, and it aint even close.

 

[Novacane32000]

Duke gained 46 yards on its last 5 possessions. What did we or they do differently? Baffling!

 

[skyman]

I'm sure other people will use more colorful adjectives to describe it LOL

The stats do not match the eye test.

On paper, we look like an average/above average defense.

Total defense: 310.7 ypg (19th)
Scoring defense: 22.6 ppg (52nd)
Rush defense: 95.2 ypg (8th)
Pass defense: 215.4 ypg (63rd)
Pass efficiency defense: 113.1 rating (18th)
Yards per play: 5.0 (37th)
3rd down defense: 30.1% (12th)
Takeaways: 15 (31st)
Sacks: 27 (11th)

Some of the those metrics are even elite.

But it's no surprise that the problem is we give up way too many explosives.

Scrimmage plays over 40 yards: 10 (90th)
Scrimmage plays over 50 yards: 7 (112th)

And while we're really good on 3rd down, we often have to stop teams four times.

4th down defense: 57.9% (83rd)

We've also faced the 30th most 4th downs (19; the leader has faced 27), so teams are going for it a lot in order to keep pace with our offense.

We all know what the problems are. The question is are there any big fixes this late in the season?

Jadais Richard going down hurts. Hopefully Damari Brown can come back before the ACCCG. Getting competent nickel play would make a world of difference with OJ emerging as a solid outside corner.

Porter needs to go back to his natural position outside.

Patterson seems to be earning minutes at SS. He gets knock-back when he's in the game, which is refreshing when other guys are getting carried for 3-4 yards.

Did Kiko put on weight this offseason? He looks sluggish this year. Might need to limit his snaps.

We dropped 8 a few times, and Murphy looked confused. I know we struggle in zone, but we're going to have to mix it in if for no other reason than to make the QB think for a half a click.

Pray to Jobu that Damari Brown can return healthy and settle things down in the secondary.

We limit the explosive plays, and we have as a good a shot as any team to win it all.

Use power 4 or conference numbers..

 

[EudocimusAlbus]

Duke scored 10 in the 2nd half. They took the opening kickoff of the half right down the field and scored. But from that point on, we smothered them.

I’m planning to make a thread this week highlighting the 2nd half performances of both units in the 2nd half of games. It’s pretty staggering.

As I mentioned, Duke got the ball out of the half yesterday, went down, and stuck it in the endzone. And Miami still won the 2nd half 36-10. Wtf.

Looking forward to this! Side note, but curious if in this breakdown you might add how many Defensive stops are required at min. per game. Do we need 4 / 5 maybe?? If not part of your breakdown all good, was just curious what the stats state here. Thanks!

 

[CanesAreAble]

The stats are for the Slurpers to defend what we all can clearly see is trash. A few great D lineman aren't with to overcome Guidrys shortcomings. He's a likeable guy but that's it. He needs to go.

Disagree.

Guidry was good last year. I just think we have compounding talent issues in the secondary.

We lost three productive players that got drafted, and did not replace them with commensurate talent. Damari's injury didn't help matters, either.

 

[D_G87]

why do yall say “ Guidry needs to get his **** together” this is game 9. This is who he is. He ain’t making any drastic changes, this is what his defense is right now. Our DB’s aren’t good but he makes their job nearly impossible to even be good. DB’s don’t pass guys off, they just chase who they are defending when they get put in motion. There is literally no room for error if you are playing that way as a DB. The personnel isn’t great, but his scheme is extremely bad at this level.

 

[Angry Ibis]

Couldn't care less about what the stats indicate. The defense is sus, at best, and does not pass the eye test.

We will eventually get exposed, like my Yankees did.

We cannot afford to be so fundamentally unsound. It simply will not last and Camdini can only do so much.

Guidry needs to get his **** together, because the defense is the weakest link, and it aint even close.

Absolutely on point with the Yankees. If we lose, it will be exactly from what we see every game all year, because we beat ourselves or a good team exposes it. Then when we discuss those exact things, it will be called moping. Like the Yankees being the worst baserunning team in baseball, poor IQ or lazy on defense, it will pop up like it did in the World Series and fans will be like how did you dumb mother****ers not fix this **** that has been problematic all year while you sit in the dugout or on the sidelines looking lost as a coach. #fireboonenow

 

[passitback]

Absolutely on point with the Yankees. If we lose, it will be exactly from what we see every game all year, because we beat ourselves or a good team exposes it. Then when we discuss those exact things, it will be called moping. Like the Yankees being the worst baserunning team in baseball, poor IQ or lazy on defense, it will pop up like it did in the World Series and fans will be like how did you dumb mother****ers not fix this **** that has been problematic all year while you sit in the dugout or on the sidelines looking lost as a coach. #fireboonenow

 

[passitback]

why do yall say “ Guidry needs to get his **** together” this is game 9. This is who he is. He ain’t making any drastic changes, this is what his defense is right now. Our DB’s aren’t good but he makes their job nearly impossible to even be good. DB’s don’t pass guys off, they just chase who they are defending when they get put in motion. There is literally no room for error if you are playing that way as a DB. The personnel isn’t great, but his scheme is extremely bad at this level.

His phuckery doesn't amuse me... You're a sick man for finding humor in the performance of his D

I said that Guidry needs to get his **** together, because it's all we can hope for. I agree with you in that he is who he is. Hoping he can make adjustments before the second half to put us in better position to blow teams out.

Like you, however, I don't see much changing over the course of the next month or so on that side of the ball, but I aint gonna mope about it...