Once and for all. No other acc game effects us

[Shogungts]

I havent heard anything about the process starting over. Seems to me that if UNC gets dropped, they would just continue on to the remaining 2 teams' record against the 5th place team. Fact of the matter is that none of us really have a clue.

But we do as it's clearly written in the ACC the tie breaker rules. It clearly states that once a 3 way tie is reduced to 2 teams, the tie breaker process starts over

B. Three (or More) Team Tie
(Once tie has been reduced to two teams, the two-team tiebreaker format is used)

Combined head-to-head record among the tied teams.
Records of the tied teams within the division.
Head-to-head competition versus the team within the division with the best overall (divisional or conference) record, and proceeding through the division. Multiple ties within the division will be broken first to last.
Overall record for non-divisional teams.
Combined record versus all common non-divisional teams.
Record versus common non-divisional with the best overall Conference (divisional and non-divisional record) and proceeding through the other common non-divisional teams based on their order of finish within the division.
The tied team with the highest ranking in the Bowl Championship Series Standings following the conclusion of regular season games shall be the divisional representative in the ACC Championship Game, unless the second of the tied teams is ranked within five-or-fewer places of the highest ranked tied team. In this case, the head-to-head results of the top two ranked tied teams shall determine the representative in the ACC Championship Game.
The representative shall be chosen by a draw.

http://www.theacc.com/sports/m-footbl/fbtiebreaker.html

 

[Miami04]

Seems like you are forgetting the fact that UVA plays VT. If UVA wins that game, UVA can move into a tie for 4th.

They would be in a tie with Duke and Duke won the head to head so Duke finishes 4th.

I'm not sure why people argue with this. Oh well it probably doesn't matter any way.

So what if Duke gets the tie breaker, both GT and Miami would have beaten them. So it would go to #5 (UVA) next, which GT beat and Miami did not. Not sure what people dont understand about this?

Of course the issue becomes moot if VT beats UVA, Duke beats GT, or Maryland beats UNC, but as of now, we do not entirely control our own destiny

What I beleive you are missing is with Duke #4 that woudl break the 3 way tie (UNC, GT, UM) by dropping UNC who lost to Duke. Then I beleive the process starts over to break the 2 way tie, and UM wins based on head to head record.

I havent heard anything about the process starting over. Seems to me that if UNC gets dropped, they would just continue on to the remaining 2 teams' record against the 5th place team. Fact of the matter is that none of us really have a clue.

Many of us in this thread have a clue and are trying to explain it to you.

 

[DREW!]

Just take the ban...

 

[Notsince1985]

Can't use the quote feature on my phone for some reason, but to answer about Duke getting the tiebreaker over Miami but not GT, that's not possible. If GT beats Duke, GT is 5-3 and the best Duke can finish is 4-4, which would also make Miami 4-4. If Duke beats GT then the best GT can finish is 4-4 with losses to Miami and Duke. That would mean winner of Miami-Duke is the champ....I think....maybe

 

[jjgloster]

http://blogs.ajc.com/georgia-tech-s...oastal-tie/?cxntfid=blogs_georgia_tech_sports

This is from the above link

Scenario 2

1. Georgia Tech beats Duke to finish 5-3.

2. Miami beats Duke to finish 5-3. Duke finishes at 3-5

3. North Carolina beats Virginia and Maryland to finish 5-3.

4. Virginia loses to North Carolina and beats Virginia Tech to finish 3-5.

5. Virginia Tech beats Boston College and loses to Virginia to finish 3-5.

Like the first scenario, the teams can’t be separated through the first two tiebreakers, so again it’s necessary to determine the fourth-place team.

This is where it gets interesting or, if you happened to spend more hours than you care to admit trying to decipher the tiebreaker rules with the very excellent help of Mike DeGeorge in Georgia Tech’s sports information office and Mike Finn at the ACC, you lose your mind.

In this scenario, Duke, Virginia and Virginia Tech are tied for fourth. None of the first six tiebreakers separate the three teams, either because the records are the same or other reasons – head-to-head, division record, record against the highest-ranked division team (the reason the tiebreaker is necessary in the first place is because the highest-ranked team can’t be determined; that’s kind of a logic wormhole), non-division record, combined record against common non-division teams (there aren’t any common opponents) and then record against highest-ranked common non-division opponent (same reason).

The seventh tiebreaker is … BCS rankings. In the most recent rankings, Duke is No. 53, Virginia Tech is No. 72 and Virginia is No. 76. Even though this scenario would call for Duke and Virginia Tech to lose twice, Virginia does not appear capable of leapfrogging both Duke and Virginia Tech, particularly considering the Cavaliers would be 1-1 in their next two games. Further, by tiebreaker rules, Virginia would have to be ahead of Duke by at least five places in order to win the tiebreaker.

I know it would seem impossible for Virginia to finish ahead of Duke & VT by 5 spots but the BCS can be crazy.

 

[DeadPoets]

So wait... what's the circumstance?

 

[SmokeyRone]

LOL! The "We can still win the Coastal Division" (the same tired statement made every time Coker and Shammin crapped their pants against against a bad ACC team) is STILL with us.

Golden has failed so far, and will continue to fail until "We can still win the Coastal" is NO LONGER IN USE!