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What makes it easier? We've landed neither so far. Every QB is an upgrade in comparison to Emory, but what is the goal?
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The ability to negotiate substantiated by market price given production & a projected incentive based deal.
The fact we haven't thus far has nothing to do with the Portal & everything to do with our approach to how we decided to do it this offseason.
37 teams brought in a transfer QB to be their new starter for next year this Portal season, what does that tell you?
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This is only a portion of the equation though. The competition for the top portal QB is going to have suitors ready to drop high dollar amount. I'm not going to dig into semantics about who can offer more, but with Mateer we were desperate and rumored to offer a hefty price. That wasn't enough because the market is competitive.
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You're not factoring in that Oklahoma hired Mateer's OC from Wash ST giving them an advantage in their negotiations with him.
Our problem was, we didn't have a plan B after Mateer. We let Mendoza walk, but even more than that, we never pursued Chandler Morris, which was a bigger miss because he wound up going to UVA.
The Portal market will always be competitive for QB's, it was equally as competitive for Cam Ward last season. There were multiple suitors that were after him last year & they all got the short end of the stick.
But, that doesn't change the fact the market is & continues to be abundant.
It's an entirely separate conversation as to HOW we make our approach to the market, but it cannot be denied there have plenty of QB's available via Portal since the Portal came about 3 years ago.
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Maybe the plan is to roll with Judd and that is why it was mateer or bust.
-Placate the fan base by making them think we are going hard after the number one
-play Emory in the bowl game to maintain the appearance of an age based depth chart
- unveil the studd to everyone’s surprise with no game tape to study for notre dame defensive mastermind
the ruse game is complete when we roll out the guy that averaged a double double to everyone’s surprise on our way to 6
A masterclass of deception that is going to leave us all looking really dumb, probably
-Placate the fan base by making them think we are going hard after the number one
-play Emory in the bowl game to maintain the appearance of an age based depth chart
- unveil the studd to everyone’s surprise with no game tape to study for notre dame defensive mastermind
the ruse game is complete when we roll out the guy that averaged a double double to everyone’s surprise on our way to 6
A masterclass of deception that is going to leave us all looking really dumb, probably
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For every Cam Ward a Will Rogers exists. Chandler Morris only has 1 year as a starter in a very mediocre league. Fernando Mendoza was not taking us to 10 wins with the supporting cast we have. The portal is hit or miss and outside of a few guys the results fluctuate.
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You mean like this whole Emory thing is all a ruse and Judd’s a super secret super stud QB who’s gonna bust out of his suit with cape and all and become Super Judd???
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3/4 playoff teams starting transfer QBs.
I’d guess majority of the top 25 teams are starting transfer QBs. Could be wrong.
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HS QB's are even more hit or miss than the Portal.
There's no way to know what a QB may or may not do given a different circumstance on a new team.
3 of the 4 teams in the Final 4 of the playoffs are Portal QB's. And of the 12 that made the playoffs, 6 of them were from the Portal.
The 4 best QB's in the Nation this season were Portal QB's.
What team is dominating with their HS recruited QB? Penn ST maybe? Who else?
With Portal QB's you know what you're getting because you have film of them playing actual College competition. HS QB's are for the most part a lot of smoke & mirrors, because there's a ton of HS QB's who can look really good against extremely weak comp.
Then, you add on the political aspect of HS rankings that are based on camps & which teams are recruiting them & it creates the situation where there will be more busts on the HS market than ever before.
Go take a look at the 22 QB class, literally 2 of the top 50 QB's have played well, the rest have been garbage.
Same for the 23 class, it's pretty much 2 that have been any good & the rest is dust in the wind.
What is more likely to you, Miami ends up as one of the teams that actually hits on one of the 2 QB's per class ratio, or us being able to find an already productive Portal QB?
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I have never made the argument that we shouldn't use the portal or that it was a bad idea. My stance is you need to do both or at least portal in a future QB. I think the portal is the better route to go, but not for any of the reasons you listed. I do not believe in the ability of this staff to coach up their own players.
The teams remaining also are littered with first rounders on both sides of the ball. If you tell me we are surrounding a Mendoza with 2 1st Rd WR's, a serviceable OL, a couple Day 2 RBs, and 3 or 4 1st orders on defense, then we are cooking. The QBs on all 4 playoff teams are probably the weakest link of the team.
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Yes
No, obviously not that extreme. Nor do I believe every interpretation on that list. Just that it's possible Judd has shown some things and the coaches know he is going to beat out EW.
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Nah, that's not that true or at least, not so clear cut.
- Allar's an NFL kid…Their weak link is receivers
- OSU OL is probably just good not great/similar to Howard…So maybe co-weak link.
- ND- WR clear weak link. If you factor in running, Leonard is just fine.
-I was never that big on Ewers early in his career because of his tendency to finesse/float passes. Thought he was overrated. But as far as CFB QB go, he's pretty good right now.
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None of those QBs could lead a less talented team to the CFP. Allar is solely hype, he is going to be a terrible NFL player.
Which college QB could? Maybe a couple? Ward? Maybe Sanders? Nussmeier if the one thing your team has is a strong OL? Jaxon Dart? I'd argue that everyone on this list is a top ehhh 30 college QB at the moment. Doesn't mean they are "the weak link on the team" just because they aren't Cam Ward.
I understand the point you are trying to make and even agree with it, it's just that you are exaggerating to make it.
Disagree on Allar. Big arm talent. Not saying he's an NFL star lock, but he's definitely a talent with upside. Maybe not in the perfect offense for him right now and doesn't have anyone at WR to throw to, but the arm talent is there.
If your a top high school QB (i.e., top 10 ro 15) why not go to G% school light it up, if your confident get that playing time, then you'll get a big contract in Year 2. Every team is looking, well the top teams are looking in the portal for their QB, its not rocket science.
If you end up going to big school with money, you'll continuously get passed up for a QB with a proven track record from a QB from a lesser school, think Howard, a successful QB from UVA transfer to Michigan( just making up that scenario).
At least in G5 like Mensah you'll get your reps in live show out and then get that NIL deal.
If you end up going to big school with money, you'll continuously get passed up for a QB with a proven track record from a QB from a lesser school, think Howard, a successful QB from UVA transfer to Michigan( just making up that scenario).
At least in G5 like Mensah you'll get your reps in live show out and then get that NIL deal.
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