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JustAFanHTX said:
Judd and jacurri for me
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At the time the vast majority of us fans were good with Brown. We thought he would develop. He may still. But for certain you don’t take Judd with Brown already on the roster.

I have no problem taking a developmental QB, entirely agree with D$ we should spend our money on a portal QB. But we need to be focusing in on the 3- low-4 star QBs that have accuracy and high mental processing.
 
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CT Cane 44 said:
Yeah? What was Mahomes

Yeah? What was Mahomes rated? What was Josh Allen rated? Go back and look at last years draft and the ratings from high school and tell me I’m wrong. For the second time I’m not saying don’t recruit 5 stars. And that graph has zero to do with the point I made about Portal QBs. We are taking a portal QB especially if TVD is gone.
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I’ve already discussed this.

But do u really wanna do this?

Bet:

Mahomes - 3* 22nd rated QB

Here’s all the 3* from the class of 2014, & I’m sure u have these player’s NFL jerseys hanging around:

1. TJ Linta (Bust)
2. Giovanni Rescigno (Bust)
3. Cody Henry (Bust)
4. John Lovett (Bust)
5. Michael Scarnecchia (Bust)
6. Nick Smith (Bust)
7. Jordan Servert (Bust)
8. Nick Jeanty (Bust)
9. Gunner Roach (Bust)
10. Glen Cuillette (Bust)
11. Brooks Barden (Bust)
12. Alex McGough (Bust)
13. Price Wilson (Bust)
14. David Morrison (Bust)
15. Frank Nutile (Bust)
16. Anthony Monken (Bust)
17. Hayden Sphire (Bust)
18. Shawn Stankavage (Bust)
19. Drew Doxtator (Bust)
20. Shuler Bentley (Bust)
21. Christian Chapman (Bust)
22. Jeremy Holley (Bust)
23. Devin Adams (Bust)
24. Bear Fenimor (Bust)
25. Clay Holgorsen (Bust)
26. Jake Kolbe (Bust)
27. Bo Baldwin (Bust)
28. Travis Smith (Bust)
29. Hunter Fralick (Bust)
30. Hayden Moore (Bust)
31. Quentin Gibson (Bust)
32. Chase Forrest (Bust)
33. Cole Garvin (Bust)
34. Landon Root (Bust)
35. Ryan Luther (Bust)
36. Chandler Kincade (Bust)
37. Luke Ward (Bust)
38. Wade Freebeck (Bust)
39. Nick Bawden (Bust)
40. Dillon Sugg (Bust)
41. Jabe Burgess (Bust)
42. Danny Cameron (Bust)
43. Coleman Key (Bust)
44. Marcus McMaryion (Bust)
45. Joey Duckworth (Bust)
46. Ian Fieber (Bust)
47. John Wofford (Bust)
48. Cade Apsay (Bust)
49. Nick Mitchell (Bust)
50. Donovan Isom (Bust)
51. Jarrett Hildreth (Bust)
52. Adam Bertke (Bust)
53. Nico Pierre (Bust)
54. Tyler Harris (Bust)
55. Grayson Muehlstein (Bust)
56. Chayce Crouch (Bust)
57. Peyton Bender (Bust)
58. Andrew Ford (Bust)
59. Chance Stewart (Bust)
60. Tyler Weiger (Bust)
61. David Blough (UDFA)
62. Wilton Speight (Bust)
63. William Crest (Bust)
64. Rafe Peavey (Bust)
65. Chris Durkin (Bust)
66. Patrick Mahomes (1st round)
67. Corey Dixon (Bust)
68. Robert Jones (Bust)
69. Jason Driskel (Bust)
70. Kilton Anderson (Bust)
71. AJ Bush Jr (Bust)
72. Xavier Conley (Bust)
73. Nick Fitzgerald (Bust)
74. Max Loudermilk (Bust)
75. Kent Myers (Bust)
76. Miles Wright (Bust)
77. JuJuan Lawson (Bust)
78. Darius Lee-Campbell (Bust)
79. Darrell Colbert Jr (Bust)
80. Devlin Hodges (Bust)
81. Jeremy Jones (Bust)
82. Kenton Myers (Bust)
83. A.J Long (Bust)
84. Matthew Jordan (Bust)
85. Reggie Bonnafon (Bust)
86. Will Ulmer (Bust)
87. Zack Darlington (Bust)
88. Jalen Greene (Bust)
89. Brandon Dawkins (Bust)
90. Trace McSorely (6th round pick)
91. Kendrick Doss (Bust)
92. Stephen Collier (Bust)
93. Alin Edouard (Bust)
94. Cody Callaway (Bust)
95. Malik Rosier (not drafted, but did have one 10 win season)
96. JaQuan Davidson (Bust)
97. Randall Cunningham II (Bust)
98. Luke Rubenzer (Bust)
99. Antonio Woods (Bust)
100. Coltin Gerhart (Bust)
101. Darius Wade (Bust)
102. Aaron Sharp (Bust)
103. Dimonic Roden-McKinzy

Lmao. Don’t worry; it’s the same chit for Allen’s class, too. Ya’ll kill me trying to bring up the 3* outliers. So let’s talk about that bust:draft ratio again.

5* QBs have a 66% probability of being drafted
3* QBs, on avg. have a 2-5% chance of being drafted.

There’s only about 3 to 5 5* QBs/yr, there’s 100+ 3* QBs/yr.

But look, I’ll let ya’ll think or believe what u want. I got time today. Lol
 
calinative umstudent said:
Same years:
Bama Commits:
2018: Layne Hatcher - Transfered to Ball state. Never heard of him.
2019: Taulia Tagovailoa - Transfered to Maryland. Doing okay there. Does it count as a hit?
2020: Bryce Young, and Logan Burnett. Young was the #1 Player in the nation. Logan Burnett was a transfer, no idea who he is.
2021: Jalen Milroe. Starting currently. Not very good and tried to get TVD to replace him, and brought in a transfer from ND who is even worse. Does this count as development? Or is this basically the same thing as Mario getting Anthony Brown?
2022: Ty Simpson. TBD hasn't done anything.
2023: Eli Holstein and Tyler Buchner. TBD on Holstein, hasn't done anything. Buchner was a complete wiff.

And All these QBs they've brought in were higher rated than the guys Mario has gotten. Funny thing is in 2017 they got Mac Jones who was a 3star 87 rating 17th in the class, and like the lowest rated guy in their last 7 classes at QB. And he was by far the best internally developed guy.

Moral of this story? Go all out for THE #1 HS QB prospect every 3 years, and Fill in with the Portal in between if you need a starter. Them being a 94 rated player by 247 and a 87 rated player might not change all that much in their development. And in todays CFB where the Portal is used so much more heavily, and NIL... this seems like the best plan. Like look at the above and ask yourself how much money would it cost today in NIL to get all those 94+ rated top100 QBs to have them not produce anything...
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I literally have no idea what u’re talking about. Lol
 
I don't think the current situation is by design or plan. We just struck out and it's just ended up that way. I'm sure Mario wishes he had a top qb on the hook this year, just like he tried last year. It is what it is at this point.

We struck out last year - although Emory Williams might not be a project at all and vie for the starting job next year of after. So obviously we need portal QB for 24, but the way our OL protects I have to think Mario is giving some 23 QB's something to think about, we can only hope we get a late season flip.
 
Rellyrell said:
I literally have no idea what u’re talking about. Lol
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Didn't realize it was complicated. You showed Marios list of Qb recruits, and I listed Sabans in the same span. The point: Saban only really hit on the guy that was rated #1. .. Thats the difference between the two. That's who we have to recruit in 2026, and use the portal in the meantime. Hope Emory/Nickel/Judd develop along the way, and the CHEAP low 4star/high 3 star we get after develop too... But ultimately Portal, and going all in on the top rated QB is the path to most success
 
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Rellyrell said:
I’ve already discussed this.

But do u really wanna do this?

Bet:

Mahomes - 3* 22nd rated QB

Here’s all the 3* from the class of 2014, & I’m sure u have these player’s NFL jerseys hanging around:

1. TJ Linta (Bust)
2. Giovanni Rescigno (Bust)
3. Cody Henry (Bust)
4. John Lovett (Bust)
5. Michael Scarnecchia (Bust)
6. Nick Smith (Bust)
7. Jordan Servert (Bust)
8. Nick Jeanty (Bust)
9. Gunner Roach (Bust)
10. Glen Cuillette (Bust)
11. Brooks Barden (Bust)
12. Alex McGough (Bust)
13. Price Wilson (Bust)
14. David Morrison (Bust)
15. Frank Nutile (Bust)
16. Anthony Monken (Bust)
17. Hayden Sphire (Bust)
18. Shawn Stankavage (Bust)
19. Drew Doxtator (Bust)
20. Shuler Bentley (Bust)
21. Christian Chapman (Bust)
22. Jeremy Holley (Bust)
23. Devin Adams (Bust)
24. Bear Fenimor (Bust)
25. Clay Holgorsen (Bust)
26. Jake Kolbe (Bust)
27. Bo Baldwin (Bust)
28. Travis Smith (Bust)
29. Hunter Fralick (Bust)
30. Hayden Moore (Bust)
31. Quentin Gibson (Bust)
32. Chase Forrest (Bust)
33. Cole Garvin (Bust)
34. Landon Root (Bust)
35. Ryan Luther (Bust)
36. Chandler Kincade (Bust)
37. Luke Ward (Bust)
38. Wade Freebeck (Bust)
39. Nick Bawden (Bust)
40. Dillon Sugg (Bust)
41. Jabe Burgess (Bust)
42. Danny Cameron (Bust)
43. Coleman Key (Bust)
44. Marcus McMaryion (Bust)
45. Joey Duckworth (Bust)
46. Ian Fieber (Bust)
47. John Wofford (Bust)
48. Cade Apsay (Bust)
49. Nick Mitchell (Bust)
50. Donovan Isom (Bust)
51. Jarrett Hildreth (Bust)
52. Adam Bertke (Bust)
53. Nico Pierre (Bust)
54. Tyler Harris (Bust)
55. Grayson Muehlstein (Bust)
56. Chayce Crouch (Bust)
57. Peyton Bender (Bust)
58. Andrew Ford (Bust)
59. Chance Stewart (Bust)
60. Tyler Weiger (Bust)
61. David Blough (UDFA)
62. Wilton Speight (Bust)
63. William Crest (Bust)
64. Rafe Peavey (Bust)
65. Chris Durkin (Bust)
66. Patrick Mahomes (1st round)
67. Corey Dixon (Bust)
68. Robert Jones (Bust)
69. Jason Driskel (Bust)
70. Kilton Anderson (Bust)
71. AJ Bush Jr (Bust)
72. Xavier Conley (Bust)
73. Nick Fitzgerald (Bust)
74. Max Loudermilk (Bust)
75. Kent Myers (Bust)
76. Miles Wright (Bust)
77. JuJuan Lawson (Bust)
78. Darius Lee-Campbell (Bust)
79. Darrell Colbert Jr (Bust)
80. Devlin Hodges (Bust)
81. Jeremy Jones (Bust)
82. Kenton Myers (Bust)
83. A.J Long (Bust)
84. Matthew Jordan (Bust)
85. Reggie Bonnafon (Bust)
86. Will Ulmer (Bust)
87. Zack Darlington (Bust)
88. Jalen Greene (Bust)
89. Brandon Dawkins (Bust)
90. Trace McSorely (6th round pick)
91. Kendrick Doss (Bust)
92. Stephen Collier (Bust)
93. Alin Edouard (Bust)
94. Cody Callaway (Bust)
95. Malik Rosier (not drafted, but did have one 10 win season)
96. JaQuan Davidson (Bust)
97. Randall Cunningham II (Bust)
98. Luke Rubenzer (Bust)
99. Antonio Woods (Bust)
100. Coltin Gerhart (Bust)
101. Darius Wade (Bust)
102. Aaron Sharp (Bust)
103. Dimonic Roden-McKinzy

Lmao. Don’t worry; it’s the same chit for Allen’s class, too. Ya’ll kill me trying to bring up the 3* outliers. So let’s talk about that bust:draft ratio again.

5* QBs have a 66% probability of being drafted
3* QBs, on avg. have a 2-5% chance of being drafted.

There’s only about 3 to 5 5* QBs/yr, there’s 100+ 3* QBs/yr.

But look, I’ll let ya’ll think or believe what u want. I got time today. Lol
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Warner Robbins got ball back on punt, after long run they were in red zone again. Rb/wr took it in from 10 yards out. Failed 2pt conversion.
20-0 warner robbins
 
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calinative umstudent said:
Didn't realize it was complicated. You showed Marios list of Qb recruits, and I listed Sabans in the same span. The point: Saban only really hit on the guy that was rated #1. .. Thats the difference between the two. That's who we have to recruit in 2026, and use the portal in the meantime. Hope Emory/Nickel/Judd develop along the way, and the CHEAP low 4star/high 3 star we get after develop too... But ultimately Portal, and going all in on the top rated QB is the path to most success
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Ummm; that makes zero sense, but nice try.

Saban hits on his starting QBs, & those QBs start for 3-4 years.

So talking about his QB2 that’s recruited is a moot point & not remotely comparative.

2018 - He recruited a guy who was a 3* DT-QB. Why? B/c Tua was his starting QB for the next two years

2019 - He recruited Taulia Tagovailoa (4* package w/ Tua) & 3* Paul Tyson
Once Tua left after the 2019 season, Taulia bounced to Maryland. Paul Tyson never saw the field; u know why?

2020 - 5* Bryce Young was going to be the heir apparent, but first he had to sit behind class of 2017 3* Mac Jones, who was in the same class as Tua, & had to sit behind 4* Jalen Hurts, & 5* Tua Tagovailoa.

2021 - 4* Jalen Milroe had to sit behind Young for the 2021, & 2022 season & is currently the starting QB for the #8 team in the nation.

Again, I had absolutely no idea what u’re talking about. U’re throwing out names w/o any context. Yea Bama had QBs transfer out b/c they weren’t going to see the field when Saban was hitting on QB1 who was there for 3-4 yrs, & heir apparent taking the reigns every 2 yrs. How r u remotely trying to compare the situations? Lol.
 
Warner Robbins had backup qb in it looks like. Not sure if its because its a blow out already or just for a package or any other reason. 5 yard td qb scramble.

Warner Robbins 34-0.
Beginning of second
 
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Rellyrell said:
Ummm; that makes zero sense, but nice try.

Saban hits on his starting QBs, & those QBs start for 3-4 years.

So talking about his QB2 that’s recruited is a moot point & not remotely comparative.

2018 - He recruited a guy who was a 3* DT-QB. Why? B/c Tua was his starting QB for the next two years

2019 - He recruited Taulia Tagovailoa (4* package w/ Tua) & 3* Paul Tyson
Once Tua left after the 2019 season, Taulia bounced to Maryland. Paul Tyson never saw the field; u know why?

2020 - 5* Bryce Young was going to be the heir apparent, but first he had to sit behind class of 2017 3* Mac Jones, who was in the same class as Tua, & had to sit behind 4* Jalen Hurts, & 5* Tua Tagovailoa.

2021 - 4* Jalen Milroe had to sit behind Young for the 2021, & 2022 season & is currently the starting QB for the #8 team in the nation.

Again, I had absolutely no idea what u’re talking about. U’re throwing out names w/o any context. Yea Bama had QBs transfer out b/c they weren’t going to see the field when Saban was hitting on QB1 who was there for 3-4 yrs, & heir apparent taking the reigns every 2 yrs. How r u remotely trying to compare the situations? Lol.
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Oh man Jalen Milroe plays for the #8 team in the nation, he's so good! funny that argument didn't work for Anthony Brown when Oregon was ranked #7 in the nation this very same weekend back in 2021 lol. You gotta admit that is a little funny... Why this is extra funny though is that is the ONLY starting QB you can really use as evidence for Mario since his other 2 starting QBs were already entrenched started in Herbert and TVD.

You're entire argument boils down to "Saban got Tua and Young" Who were both #1 QBs lol. You're argument is that it's okay none of those other guys ever produced cause he hit on those 2 (and today the result would be a lot of wasted money - when half the people on this board constantly ***** about our lack of NIL spending!). But thats my entire point lol.... We need to go all out for THE TOP GUY. Otherwise Portal is the answer for the interim. All this *****ing and moaning about stacking mid 4 stars instead of high 3/low 4stars is basically pointless imo.

Put it like this IF we got Iamaleava last year, Would it really matter that we got Emory/Judd/Nickell? Would that REALLY be so much different than Saban getting all those guys he got who never actually did anything for him? Wouldn't it actually be more similar to how Mac Jones developed lol...
 
calinative umstudent said:
Oh man Jalen Milroe plays for the #8 team in the nation, he's so good! funny that argument didn't work for Anthony Brown when Oregon was ranked #7 in the nation this very same weekend back in 2021 lol. You gotta admit that is a little funny...

You're entire argument boils down to "Saban got Tua and Young" Who were both #1 QBs lol. You're argument is that it's okay none of those other guys ever produced cause he hit on those 2 (and today the result would be a lot of wasted money - when half the people on this board constantly ***** about our lack of NIL spending!). But thats my entire point lol.... We need to go all out for THE TOP GUY. Otherwise Portal is the answer for the interim.

Put it like this IF we got Iamaleava last year, Would it really matter that we got Emory/Judd/Nickell? Would that REALLY be so much different than Saban getting all those guys he got who never actually did anything for him? Wouldn't it actually be more similar to how Mac Jones developed lol...
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I actually said Mario’s best years came from inherited & transfer QBs. Lol & Why even bring up Nico when we don’t have him? Like can u guys stick to facts instead of bringing up La-La dreams & scenarios THAT DON’T EXIST??!
 
Rellyrell said:
I actually said Mario’s best years came from inherited & transfer QBs. Lol
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I think you think I'm trying to say you're wrong, When I'm pointing out what the strategy needs to be going forward and how your point and my point work together... Take away Tua and Young - THE TOP QBs in their respective classes - And how much different is Sabans QBs than Marios really... Well I'll tell you one major difference - Sabans way would take a lot more NIL money...
 
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calinative umstudent said:
I think you think I'm trying to say you're wrong, When I'm pointing out what the strategy needs to be going forward and how your point and my point work together... Take away Tua and Young - THE TOP QBs in their respective classes - And how much different is Sabans QBs than Marios really...
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But u can’t; that’s the point.

The fall out is saying these guys are our QB1’s, & now fans saying trust the evals! I know what u’re saying, I’m saying it’s flawed b/c we’re not hitting on a QB1 + development. Our development is QB1. If we’re relying upon the portal as a solution, then that, too, is a box of chocolates.

I’m saying y r we told to trust the evals when the evals have not proven to be the greatest? So y not just swing for the top QBs, period.
 
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41-7 Warner, late in second quarter.
 
Rellyrell said:
But u can’t; that’s the point.

The fall out is saying these guys are our QB1’s, & now fans saying trust the evals! I know what u’re saying, I’m saying it’s flawed b/c we’re not hitting on a QB1 + development. Our development is QB1. If we’re relying upon the portal as a solution, then that, too, is a box of chocolates.

I’m saying y r we told to trust the evals when the evals have not proven to be the greatest? So y not just swing for the top QBs, period.
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How can you say we're not hitting on QB1 and development when we haven't had that past TVD yet? If the Portal QB we get is a hit does that not count cause it's portal? To me portal absolutely counts, and I'd say for QB it absolutely should/can be heavily used now and the future. TVD is the inherited starter and he's absolutely good enough to be our starter. Next year will be Marios first own QB1 at Miami.

Also Who says we haven't swung for top QBs? Do you not recall us going after Dante Moore, and then getting Jaden Rashada. Moore was #5 overall in the Nation... But ultimately we don't have the money to ACTUALLY LAND the top QBs yearly. That's why I said you want to land one every 3 or so years... I recall us going for Lagway and Riaola or Nolan I believe. ..

So, If you actually paid attention to what I was actually saying, you're last sentence is literally what I'm saying lol. I'm literally saying go for the TOP Qb, if you don't get him, then I don't see the big problem with getting a guy rated 88 or whatever over a guy rated 94 by 247... Then you answer with the portal. Now once you do land the top rated QB, I'm also saying there really is no reason to then go for the #1 rated guy the next year. That's a waste of money...
 
calinative umstudent said:
How can you say we're not hitting on QB1 and development when we haven't had that past TVD yet? If the Portal QB we get is a hit does that not count cause it's portal? To me portal absolutely counts, and I'd say for QB it absolutely should/can be heavily used now and the future. TVD is the inherited starter and he's absolutely good enough to be our starter. Next year will be Marios first own QB1 at Miami.

Also Who says we haven't swung for top QBs? Do you not recall us going after Dante Moore, and then getting Jaden Rashada. Moore was #5 overall in the Nation... But ultimately we don't have the money to ACTUALLY LAND the top QBs yearly. That's why I said you want to land one every 3 or so years... I recall us going for Lagway and Riaola or Nolan I believe. ..

So, If you actually paid attention to what I was actually saying, you're last sentence is literally what I'm saying lol. I'm literally saying go for the TOP Qb, if you don't get him, then I don't see the big problem with getting a guy rated 88 or whatever over a guy rated 94 by 247... Then you answer with the portal. Now once you do land the top rated QB, I'm also saying there really is no reason to then go for the #1 rated guy the next year. That's a waste of money.
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OK…👌🏾

Sometimes it’s moments like these that make me realize some…

Nah, nvm. Ya’ll have a good one & hopefully we hit the lotto on these QBs
 
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