On a couple CB targets…

[Derrick Griffin]

I ask this honestly and not being defensive: have you seen him play? I haven't, and I doubt many others have either.

That doesn't mean he'll be good. I didn't see Terry Roberts play before he came here and stunk. But I wonder how much (earned) distrust of our DB evals is driving this reaction.

And if people distrust our DB evals, which is understandable, do they trust Ole Miss? I've seen a lot of people saying we should be more like them.

That full breakdown is damning. You can say Sample size but he didnt play much. PFF may not be the most consistent tool but 8 times out of 10 it’s pretty **** close. You are our insider. What’s the deal?

 

[ben]

not being defensive

Neither is Mario

 

[ghost2]

What position has earned benefit of the doubt?

QB. Or at least NIL Coordinator.

 

[STG]

I see the sunshine pumping is out in full force. Can't wait to hear how great he looks at Greentree like the other 48393 dudes reported hear, who ended up being pure trash. The tape says it all.

 

[DMoney]

The tape says it all.

Have you watched the tape? Or did you see a cut-up of three bad plays?

Again, I haven't seen him. The full tape might be awful. Arizona stunk on defense.

But I know most of the same people were saying "Why can't we evaluate portal DBs like Ole Miss?" Well, Ole Miss is bringing him in before us. Michigan is after us. What are they watching? This is a player with three years of eligibility, so it's not like they are just bringing in temporary depth.

 

[RightSaidFred]

Terrible.

 

[DMoney]

What position has earned benefit of the doubt?

For me, offensive line. They had elite units at Oregon and have been elite the past two years here. We're big, athletic, and well-coached.

Everything else, fair game. DBs have probably earned the opposite of the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Bpayne32]

yea this kid ain’t it finding a average power 4 corner shouldn’t be this hard lol

 

[ben]

Have you watched the tape? Or did you see a cut-up of three bad plays?

Again, I haven't seen him. The full tape might be awful. Arizona stunk on defense.

But I know most of the same people were saying "Why can't we evaluate portal DBs like Ole Miss?" Well, Ole Miss is bringing him in before us. Michigan is after us. What are they watching? This is a player with three years of eligibility, so it's not like they are just bringing in temporary depth.

@DMoney if you were to look at it as boundary corner, field corner and nickel corner, which will we be going after and is the goal immediate starter, developmental piece, or some combo? What would you envision as the two deep at each position next season between players currently on roster and potential portal additions?

 

[Jassid82]

I just feel like Mario and his defensive staff try to play the "smartest guy in the room" when it comes to certain positions. CB is absolutely one of them. You never see Mario take a flyer on an OL transfer. They have to be proven and experienced. But when it comes to CB? This guy will try to scour the earth to find some hidden gem that nobody knows about and try to hype them up to be a diamond in the rough. I just dont get it. We offered FOUR Centers and all of them are proven and had good film. CENTERS! But when it comes to the secondary? He just thinks hes some scouting guru that doesnt need to go after big names....he has the "eye" for talent? Smh. Extremely disappointed.

 

[DMoney]

@DMoney if you were to look at it as boundary corner, field corner and nickel corner, which will we be going after and is the goal immediate starter, developmental piece, or some combo? What would you envision as the two deep at each position next season between players currently on roster and potential portal additions?

I think we need to improve the physical talent at corner. Two or three guys with legit length and athleticism.

At safety, we just need a ballplayer (or two). An impact guy who can be the tone-setter. Smart, physical and can tackle. Doesn't need to be Sean Taylor athletically. But someone ready-made.

The only guy who has a secure job is OJ Frederique. But I would like some of the young safeties like Dylan Day and Zaquan Patterson to get a chance.

 

[DC3]

Jakeem Jackson and Charles Brantley would help us a lot

They only like recruiting Florida if it’s HS kids. Only National guys for the portal

 

[STG]

Have you watched the tape? Or did you see a cut-up of three bad plays?

Again, I haven't seen him. The full tape might be awful. Arizona stunk on defense.

But I know most of the same people were saying "Why can't we evaluate portal DBs like Ole Miss?" Well, Ole Miss is bringing him in before us. Michigan is after us. What are they watching? This is a player with three years of eligibility, so it's not like they are just bringing in temporary depth.

Yes, I did watch some tape. Not a ton, but some. More than enough to know this dude shouldn't even be allowed to step foot on campus if we are serious about being a real football program.

And I don't care what Ole Miss or Michigan are doing. I care that we eval correctly. If they want to land a ****, let them land one.

But the sunshine pumping from all guys covering UM is absurd already. There is a TON of talent at DB in the portal this year which is rare, and we are wasting our time with this and the UCF dude. Nah, this is pure trash.

 

[cway313]

For me, offensive line. They had elite units at Oregon and have been elite the past two years here. We're big, athletic, and well-coached.

Everything else, fair game. DBs have probably earned the opposite of the benefit of the doubt.

Your usage of the word elite is troubling. Elite would be 1st and 2nd rounders. We have acquired 1 of those in 4 years.

 

[DMoney]

But the sunshine pumping from all guys covering UM is absurd already. There is a TON of talent at DB in the portal this year which is rare, and we are wasting our time with this and the UCF dude. Nah, this is pure trash.

Honest question- where is the sunshine pumping? I'm just telling you what they said about him. I can't co-sign because I haven't seen him. But there is a reason programs with legit secondaries are bringing him on campus. They may not be right, but they see something.

As for the UCF kid, I don't get the sense he is a target.

 

[Bender]

As reported by Gaby Urrutia at 247, Arizona transfer CB Emmanuel Karnley is set to visit Miami this weekend. He is from the East Bay area of California (between Oakland and Stockton). A Miami source says he has elite length (6'3), he's twitchy, fluid, and moves like a smaller guy. "Sticky in coverage and physical. Would have made us a lot better this year."

I understand the negativity at the position given the recent history, but I'll note that his first visit is to Ole Miss (which has a strong track record with Portal DBs) and his next visit is to Michigan.

I don't get the sense that Chasen Johnson from UCF is a significant target.

We expect to take 2-3 CBs.

This is exactly what I meant with the BS KoolAid that I won't be drinking any further.

It took us five minutes to find multiple tapes of mental and physical breakdowns in technique and execution of the coverage.

******* ****. And don't pretend you made this thread for no reason. You saw the immediate response on here.

 

[tdjones34]

Have you watched the tape? Or did you see a cut-up of three bad plays?

Again, I haven't seen him. The full tape might be awful. Arizona stunk on defense.

But I know most of the same people were saying "Why can't we evaluate portal DBs like Ole Miss?" Well, Ole Miss is bringing him in before us. Michigan is after us. What are they watching? This is a player with three years of eligibility, so it's not like they are just bringing in temporary depth.

Like ewald
Harbaugh wanted him but fat chris said he can't play at miami

 

[DC3]

What position has earned benefit of the doubt?

Only RB and TE for me

 

[KingCane20]

Serious question...Have the NIL funds dried up? The high school class plus these portal targets are troubling...

 

[DMoney]

Your usage of the word elite is troubling. Elite would be 1st and 2nd rounders. We have acquired 1 of those in 4 years.

An elite OL to me is a Top 5 unit nationally. I would put us in that category the past two years. I'd bet the entire 2023 OL plays in the pros (two already have) and 4 out of the 5 of the 2024 OL makes it there. And they've produced in college. We look like the old Oregon lines.

As far as elite individual players, it's just Francis Mauigoa.