Ward also played behind one of the PAC12's worst OLs
And against some of the country's worst defenses: Cal, Colorado, Washington, USC, Stanford, Arizona State.
5 of the top 13 draft prospects at the Edge position comes from the PAC 12. Along with a handful of DL and LBs expected to be drafted. That's just among players in the draft, I'm sure there is a similar proportion of underclassmen that are high level players as well.
If Van Dyke had played behind the Washington State OL he would have had 10 sack games.
Three are from one team (Wash, 50th SP+) and he didn’t play Utah in ‘23.
Well, guess we'll see if the vast majority of people who know about football are right...or if you are.
Two are from Washington, one from USC, one from UCLA and then one from Utah. Wared played against 3/5. Arizona and Oregon both had good front 7's
About him taking sacks? Do you have eyes? Read the stat sheet. Go watch him play. He runs out of bounds on a game deciding 4th down to take a sack. Imagine this board after that one.
This is the beginning of this current conversation regarding Ward taking sacks, but I'm trying to figure out what you and DK are debating/arguing over?
The debate is he claims Ward takes too many "bad" sacks, based on him being sacked a lot. He dismissed the fact that Ward also played behind one of the worst OLs in the P5.
But I don't ignore the fact he played in a quick throw system, his internal clock is a mess, he takes bad sacks and fumbles, and he played against some garbage 50 SP+ and worse defenses. He doesn't throw as many picks as TVD, but clearly takes double the sacks and some are Georgia Tech "how far would you run if the clock says 0 and the game is on the line, oh, out of bounds? There too" bad
11th in the nation in 20+ yd completions, despite an OL that frequently gave him no time. Far from the narrative that he is just a quick throw QB with no internal clock. Your previous statement that if he were actually good he'd have gone to the NFL is odd as well. He declared for the draft, and only backed out last minute after getting a huge NIL deal worth more than most rookie contracts. Is he a first, or even 2nd rd NFL pick. Possibly not, but he is a definite draft pick when he goes. Many great college QBs don't end up as high rd NFL draft picks.
Good point, sorry. OL looks great. That then evolved from how having a top OL will further elevate Ward's game, to a debate on Ward. I should have just cut the debate short . Looking forward to seeing the OL this season. Should be a top 10 line in the country.
I'm not very concerned about Cam taking sacks. Our OL is exponentially better than Wassu's OL. Dawson needs to coach Cam to step up in the pocket as opposed to falling away from pressure.
I think Ward is a very good QB who is still improving. I think that @Lance Roffers evaluation was right on point. I think we're lucky to have him.
Carpenter is more of a good ACC center, as opposed to Lee who was a great ACC center.
