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Our playcalling this season on Offense has been just that--offensive. I truly believe that this Offense would be near the top of the rankings in many offensive stats this season IF Fisch wouldn't have left.

The biggest difference I can see is we ran more downhill with all of our RB's last year, as opposed to the slower developing stretch plays that Coley has called so far. Also, blame Morris and his ankle all you want--but when Fisch called a pass play for the most part last year, Morris always had an outlet...and more importantly, was taught to hit his checkdowns quicker, or throw it away and live to fight another down.

With Coley--it seems more like a game of "we're going to stack two guys, one will run up the sideline and the other up the seam--pick which guy looks open to you and wing it". While that works a lot of the time--against better secondaries (like FSU), it doesn't work all the time. It seems like Morris is staring downfield for too long, and is always late to looking for the checkdown (if one exists), or waits too long to throw it away. He's thrown more INT's and taken more sacks as a result.

This offense set records last season. We were dynamic. Opponents came in expecting that they would need to outscore us. This season? We're more mistake prone, an nowhere near as feared.

My (far-fetched) solution: demote Coley to QB Coach (in name only) and let him recruit 24/7. Call Fisch up and tell him he isn't going anywhere in Jacksonville, when he can be a dominant force as an OC with Miami's talent for years to come until a collegiate HC job comes around. Try to lure him back.

Either way--Coley has to get better, or we have to get creative in upgrading the OC position, because the playcalling this season BLOWS.
 
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I am not a fan of being in shotgun 75% of the time or whatever the percentage is. On first down, second down and medium, and third and short I much prefer the I-formation or the strong I-formation. I do prefer the pistol over the traditional shotgun as it keeps the D guessing which direction. We have good backs, a big Oline, and one **** of a FB. Wht the **** we are in shotgun, 1 back, and spread all the time baffles me.
 
I had problems with Fisch, but at least he kept the defenses guessing. Coley is so predictable with his stuff.

We should be much more effective with the talent we have on offense. You can really tell that Coley's never called plays before. Not good.
 
To add on to my original points, it seemed like we attacked the middle of the field with short and intermediate routes a lot more often with Fisch last year. ****, Davon Johnson was THE guy with that last season until he got injured. We also passed more on 1st Down, which kept the D off balance. We don't do either of those things near as often under Coley.

It just seems there's no cohesion, no foresight to Coley as he's calling a ballgame.
 
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Please stop with this Fisch obsession. His offense stunk it up in every big game and when it counted in not-so-big games, like Virginia. Three-and-outs galore.
 
Coley is fine, it's our QB that worries me. And our lack of RB depth. And our lack of depth at WR.

Look, we missed on our must-get RB recruit last cycle, then our leading WR gets hurt, and now our best RB is out for the season.

If you don't think that's going to have an effect, I don't know what else to tell you.

We're trying to run a pro set with a QB who can't drop back, plant his feet, sit in the pocket and make an accurate throw. We're trying to run a pro set when our best RB is 190 lbs. We're trying to run a pro set with shorter WR's.

So why not just run the spread? Because our OL are mammoths that's why.

Our problems on offense come because our skill positions are all spread guys and our offensive line are all pro style guys, and Coley/Fisch are left to try to stitch together an offense.

What we need to do is do a better job recruiting to a system.
 
Gamineal said:
FSu sure has gotten better since he left
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That's thanks to having a phenomenal QB and #1 recruiting classes two and three years ago... those kids are just now getting mature and starting to play the meaningful snaps.

I think this year and next year are FSU's days in the sun. Hopefully we can rain on their parade a little bit.
 
FSU's success is predicated in getting the ball to their playmakers and letting THEM do the work. We have the playmakers but are not getting them the ball in space.

We have the Oline to hammer the ball as witnessed several times.

We have the receivers that can get the YAC.

Get them the ball on short routes/checkdowns and take your chances once THAT opens the defense.

Winston did nothing downfield other than a few plays that were offset by the two interceptions.

Coley has just one year under his belt and he is a great recruiter. NO need to demote him IMO.

Just use your weapons much like the Canes did in their past success.
 
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bear said:
FSU's success is predicated in getting the ball to their playmakers and letting THEM do the work. We have the playmakers are not getting them the ball in space.

We have the Oline to hammer the ball as witnessed several times.

We have the receivers that can get the YAC.

Get them the ball on short routes/checkdowns and take your chances once THAT opens the defense.

Winston did nothing downfield other than a few plays that were offset by the two interceptions.

Coley has just one year under his belt and he is a great recruiter. NO need to demote him IMO.

Just use your weapons much like the Canes did in their past success.
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Besides Stacey Coley, who do we have that's a legit playmaker anymore?
 
Waters, Hurns, and Coley are all legit. Walford also is legit. Obviously DUKE is legit but he is now injured.
 
bear said:
Waters, Hurns, and Coley are all legit. Walford also is legit. Obviously DUKE is legit but he is now injured.
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Walford is not legit. He is a solid player not an elite playmaker. He was acutally apart of the game plan for the first time all year. Which clearly was by design they hadn't show much going to him all year in hopes to catch FSU off guard. He was open on several occasions but bobble or dropped balls.

Ppl are saying we predictable...guys how can you watch a football and not apply contextual analysis?
You look back and say well when we played UNC we ran 10/13 plays on the final drive....our QB had also thrown 4 picks.
You look back and say we did the same thing against WAKE...our QB was barely over 50% completion percentage.

Against FSU in the first half we pounded them and established the run.
On our opening drive of the second half we went play action. completion FSU wasn't ready. Then we went quick pass FSU wasn't ready but it was a bad throw. On 3rd down we don't convert.
Our Second position we go play action on first down. FSU wasn't ready, We take a shot deep it's under thrown INT.

We honestly never get to see the majority of the game plan because our QB is only completing 40% of his passes on 3rd down. (That might be generous number).
 
It's so funny seeing people talk about how Fisch was crap because his offenses stunk it up in the big game. Please tell me again about how Coley's offense is so dominant against good teams. I also love how everyone talks about how guys are young and not just not executing under Coley's offense. Maybe you forgot almost every starter this year was a starter last year except they were 1 year younger. Somehow, younger and inexperienced they performed fine in Fisch's offense. Yes, the offense did disappear at times with Fisch, but as a whole they were explosive and except for ND and K st, there were not whole games where we had no offense. I never doubted our ability to score last year. This year our offense disappears far more often, and I question our ability to score every drive now it seems, even against mediocre teams. Our numbers are up a little in scoring and yards (i think 5 points and 18 yards per game), but considering we are playing a much weaker schedule, and our defense is actually able to stop someone now and get the ball back to our offense quicker, I would expect that.

Our offense flowed under Fisch and with how bad our defense was last year, our offense is the only reason we won as many games as we did. If we had the offense we have this year with the defense from last year, we might be lucky to get 5 wins last year.
 
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This board *****ed and moaned about Fisch and his play calling plenty the last two years.
 
Coley thinks he's running that spread pistol with Ponder or EJ at QB. Your crazy if you don't think play calling has taken a step backwards. One guy is in the NFL calling plays and the other just started calling plays.
 
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UMprodigy said:
Coley thinks he's running that spread pistol with Ponder or EJ at QB. Your crazy if you don't think play calling has taken a step backwards. One guy is in the NFL calling plays and the other just started calling plays.
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Jacksonville doesn't count as the NFL.
 
poncho0091 said:
It's so funny seeing people talk about how Fisch was crap because his offenses stunk it up in the big game. Please tell me again about how Coley's offense is so dominant against good teams. I also love how everyone talks about how guys are young and not just not executing under Coley's offense. Maybe you forgot almost every starter this year was a starter last year except they were 1 year younger. Somehow, younger and inexperienced they performed fine in Fisch's offense. Yes, the offense did disappear at times with Fisch, but as a whole they were explosive and except for ND and K st, there were not whole games where we had no offense. I never doubted our ability to score last year. This year our offense disappears far more often, and I question our ability to score every drive now it seems, even against mediocre teams. Our numbers are up a little in scoring and yards (i think 5 points and 18 yards per game), but considering we are playing a much weaker schedule, and our defense is actually able to stop someone now and get the ball back to our offense quicker, I would expect that.

Our offense flowed under Fisch and with how bad our defense was last year, our offense is the only reason we won as many games as we did. If we had the offense we have this year with the defense from last year, we might be lucky to get 5 wins last year.
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Good points but a lot of that is on the QB.
 
Coley's developing his play calling just as any player would develop their game. It's his first year. He hasn't been perfect but he's been fine.

Morris is, and has always been the problem. Nobody ******* about play calling when Morris looks good and the offense looks much better because of it. The offense sucks when Morris sucks, and it's because Morris sucks, not play calling. Morris can't even throw a screen with any accuracy at this point. Teams have caught on. Take away the deep ball and Morris is done.
 
Clipse said:
Coley's developing his play calling just as any freshman would develop their game. It's his first year. He hasn't been perfect but he's been fine.

Morris is, and has always been the problem. Nobody ****es about play calling when Morris looks good and the offense looks much better because of it. The offense sucks when Morris sucks, and it's because Morris sucks, not play calling. Morris can't even throw a screen with any accuracy at this point. Teams have caught on. Take away the deep ball and Morris is done.
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FSU had nine in the box from the very first snap of the game. That shows you where they thought the strength of our offense is. At first I was screaming at the TV for Coley to call a play action and hit them deep, but we ran pretty effectively in to a nine man box, so I didn't complain.

If Morris can't complete passes against a nine man box, he's just not a very good QB and that limits what the OC can realistically do.

To put it in to perspective, against Winston we were dropping 7 or 8 in to coverage on a pretty consistent basis and he was still able to pick us apart.
 
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