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2023 Nyckoles Harbor: 6'5, 230 ATH from DC

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Da Jumbo Mutombo said:
Let's get the heated conversation going.

James is athletic enough to play safety in college. However, he is doing a disservice to himself in the long run.

Just watching his interview the other day, he looks frail thin. That body can easily put on 30 lbs. 6'5 255lbs. He would be a freak LB.

Just my opinion. . But he Has enough natural instinct and playmaker ability to stay at Safety in college. Prolly be similar to a Ray Ray Armstrong situation (i know James is better) but my point being, he will be moved in the NFL and probably outperform his college output.

And just to be clear, I am not calling for a position change in college.
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Somebody needs to tell James that he has the frame to add weight / muscle mass and still be able to play safety at a high level. He has a naturally slim frame he wouldn’t turn into Julius peppers if he hit the weight room harder. Kam Chancellor was as big as a DE **** near playing safety he’s nowhere near that size.
 
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colperm said:
He's an incredible athlete, but the fact that he's not all-in on football drops him way down on my list of guys we should be prioritizing
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Facts and while I admittedly know nothing about him except that he is a size-weight-speed freak with a smart family, does he have other tools?

Does he make hands catches on offense? Can he bend at the waist and get horizontal to be an effective DE?

I’m not asking him to be a finished product but there needs to more than incredible straight line speed for him to actually be a good college football player.

If someone has looked into that I’d love to know, but I’m still in “I don’t watch film until he commits” mode.
 
Da Jumbo Mutombo said:
Let's get the heated conversation going.

James is athletic enough to play safety in college. However, he is doing a disservice to himself in the long run.

Just watching his interview the other day, he looks frail thin. That body can easily put on 30 lbs. 6'5 255lbs. He would be a freak LB.

Just my opinion. . But he Has enough natural instinct and playmaker ability to stay at Safety in college. Prolly be similar to a Ray Ray Armstrong situation (i know James is better) but my point being, he will be moved in the NFL and probably outperform his college output.

And just to be clear, I am not calling for a position change in college.
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All fair points

But I would also like to add a big mistake I see people not familiar with strength and conditioning is people suggesting that it’s always easy to just put 20-30 pounds on a kid. Not singling you out of course

His build is freakish

They may certainly have tried to add weight to him but it just isn’t happening. That happens. So even though he might appear thin, that might just be where he needs to be at right now
 
canes732 said:
Different sport I’m not a huge track guy but are any of them 240 bc idk if he can keep his weight down enough to compete in the Olympics
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No sprinter is that large.
 
AUcane said:
As a HS JR and at 230 pounds, his 200m time is ALREADY top 20 in the nation of fastest collegiate times this year. He's a freak. Is 230 his optimal weight for track? Of course not but he's plenty fast for track at his size. My guess is that he'd like to be at 225-230 for football season and then cut down to 210-215 for track season. Not sure how sustainable that is, though.,
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If he wants to qualify for the Olympics, that will need to become his job.
 
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Liberty City El said:
This kid has still yet to visit Miami, until then, our chances remain pretty non-existent.
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They remain non-existent even if he visits if he chooses to run track and play football. I'd love to know what he plans on doing regarding the two sports. He won't be a DE if he does both.
 
JeddTheFisch said:
No sprinter is that large.
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Largest looking track and field guy I remember was David Oliver. He was jacked, but only 6'2 and 205 according to his bio. He was a hurdler though, WC, and bronze medalist at the Olympics. Former football player as well.

Everyone is unique, but his times would likely go up with 10 to 20 pounds lost. There's always a fine line in track and field. Sometimes it takes half a decade or more to find that sweet spot.
 
JHallCanes said:
All fair points

But I would also like to add a big mistake I see people not familiar with strength and conditioning is people suggesting that it’s always easy to just put 20-30 pounds on a kid. Not singling you out of course

His build is freakish

They may certainly have tried to add weight to him but it just isn’t happening. That happens. So even though he might appear thin, that might just be where he needs to be at right now
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From what I heard last year, there was a conscious effort to keep weight off and stay at safety.

Haven't heard anything about it this off season tho, so you may be right.
 
Da Jumbo Mutombo said:
From what I heard last year, there was a conscious effort to keep weight off and stay at safety.

Haven't heard anything about it this off season tho, so you may be right.
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Gotcha

Yeah wasn’t intending to argue since I don’t know the details. Just saying I’ve worked with some similar type kids and sometimes at that age the weight just doesn’t go on without changing the type of player they are

Either way, I hope it’s figured out before he gets to the NFL. You just don’t see players like him very often
 
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TC@neTC said:
Facts and while I admittedly know nothing about him except that he is a size-weight-speed freak with a smart family, does he have other tools?

Does he make hands catches on offense? Can he bend at the waist and get horizontal to be an effective DE?

I’m not asking him to be a finished product but there needs to more than incredible straight line speed for him to actually be a good college football player.

If someone has looked into that I’d love to know, but I’m still in “I don’t watch film until he commits” mode.
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I'd be less concerned if he he was 6-2 / 185 lbs and in the mold of a DB/WR. But from a football standpoint, he has elite measurables for a DE/TE which makes it that much tougher to reach his full potential. There are obvious challenges to gaining/shedding weight and he seems apprehensive about getting dirty in the trenches

Not saying we shouldn't recruit him as hard as possible, just that expectations around his production on the football field should be tempered a bit.
 
CanefaninBuckeyeland said:
Obviously this dude is a physical freak, I get it, but has there been ANY indication that he's remotely interested in UM?
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He said in an interview around mid-July that we are recruiting him the hardest by far. I agree though...im not with the "oohh-ahhh" over this kid if hes not coming to play for us. Hes a freak of nature. We get it. Now is he going to give us an OV or nah? lol.
 
colperm said:
He's an incredible athlete, but the fact that he's not all-in on football drops him way down on my list of guys we should be prioritizing
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Exactly how I feel on the kid. Might be a dumb question but is there like mega big bucks in track besides endorsements like there is the NFL?
 
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I don't think people fully appreciate how tough it is to even make the Olympic track team, you have to go through the U.S. Olympic trials which are brutal a lot of football fans thought DK Metcalf could go to the Olympics if he just dedicated more time to it like it's nothing. For more perspective go watch the 2020 Olympic trials for the 100m. Kenny Bednarek ran a 9.89 and at one point was clocked at 26.4 mph and came in 4th and didn't make the team for the 100m

 
58straight said:
I don't think people fully appreciate how tough it is to even make the Olympic track team, you have to go through the U.S. Olympic trials which are brutal a lot of football fans thought DK Metcalf could go to the Olympics if he just dedicated more time to it like it's nothing. For more perspective go watch the 2020 Olympic trials for the 100m. Kenny Bednarek ran a 9.89 and at one point was clocked at 26.4 mph and came in 4th and didn't make the team for the 100m

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No competent person believed DK could qualify for the Olympics at 240lbs.
 
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colperm said:
He's an incredible athlete, but the fact that he's not all-in on football drops him way down on my list of guys we should be prioritizing
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Too much talent nit to take a chance. Kid has tremendous upside.
 
305407cane said:
Tyreek hill(I’m assuming autocorrect got you) is crazy unique cause not only is he blazing fast but he’s fast on the field. Cuts and routes and raw speed
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Tyreek Hill went sub 10 seconds once but it was way over the legal wind limit his real PR is 10.19 , which is good but not special you see a group of collegiate sprinters in that range every year and below, if he did track full time and focused on that back when he was 18 who knows what he could have been but it's not fast enough I would say he definitely would have been world class
 
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