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BigPoppaCane
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LET IT PLAY OUT
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That's actually exactly what you can do. As long as you don't go over 85 during any one semester and have over 25 attributed to any one class.
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Correct. I miscounted by 1. Changed my OP.
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I think it's more likely we take 30+. Seriously, if we get sanctions with scholarship reductions the strategy has to be CUT ALL DEAD WEIGHT....appeal the scholarship reductions, and then load up on this class. Exactly what USC did.
You gotta be joking. Perryman & Pierre are the only Defensive jrs who would be NFL eligible. On Offense you have Bunche, Felicano & McDermott who will be NFL eligible. Do you see any potential first two round selections at this point. Maybe Perryman, if he plays well this year, but nobody else is gonna leave early, in my opinion.
as for rising sophs who may be 'eased out', at the most only one or two, but they haven't yet been given the opportunity. I doubt you'll see any involuntary transfers from rising sophs ('dead weight', as BigAl says) next winter.
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bomb, that's not really the way it works. we signed the full number to get us to around 85 this past class. you can't back track a bunch of ships. only if u had spots u didn't use. we took almost our full allotment. it's not just 25 minus the number you took. the number we took put us at 85.
over 25? you guys are on drugs. we aren't cutting dead weight, we aren't cutting kids recruited by golden and staff, kids who thought they were good enough out of hs to offer who perhaps didn't pan out.
over 25? you guys are on drugs. we aren't cutting dead weight, we aren't cutting kids recruited by golden and staff, kids who thought they were good enough out of hs to offer who perhaps didn't pan out.
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The 85 number is irrelevant. The number that matters is how many we can count back to this year. So we can count 6-7 at least back to this year....add 25 full class, and the max we can sign is 31-32. The 85 number is irrelevant because we can lose the extra players by attrition or non-scholarship renewal. If we want to go that route. The 85 limit is never an issue really. Look at what Ole Miss and Alabama do every year.
Huh? We aren't not renewing scholarships. How is the 85 irrelevant? I don't see how. It's not 25 minus 18 when the 18 we took brought us to 25. Whatever.
There won't be 30 new kids on campus between next jan and aug.
I doubt it will be 25.
I said 18-21 this class.
There won't be 30 new kids on campus between next jan and aug.
I doubt it will be 25.
I said 18-21 this class.
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Like I said, if we want to go that route. Scholarships are one year renewable, and plenty of schools treat it that way.
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lol. Every year, we go through the same old spiel. Some recruiting newbie looks at the roster and thinks there is no way we sign *** amount of kids. Yet somehow, magically, a few players end up "transferring" or getting suspended "indefinitely", and BAM what was once considered a 15 man class, with 17 as the absolute MAX by the newbie, magically ends up at 19.
According to Golden himself, we had SIX kids who had commitable offers on LOI day and we lost out on THREE of them. That means in addition to what we had on LOI day (16 kids committed) we had room for at least 3 more. (clearly Corn's late commit shows we are STILL LOOKING). Now, with Corn and Lockley we are at 18 LOIs. And still have room for 1 more to hit the 85 limit.
Take it from me who loves to look at numbers. I used to be that very same recruiting newbie. We will easily have a 25 man class in 2014. 17 SRs plus attrition plus early NFL plus nonqualifiers = 25 LOIs by Feb 2014.
According to Golden himself, we had SIX kids who had commitable offers on LOI day and we lost out on THREE of them. That means in addition to what we had on LOI day (16 kids committed) we had room for at least 3 more. (clearly Corn's late commit shows we are STILL LOOKING). Now, with Corn and Lockley we are at 18 LOIs. And still have room for 1 more to hit the 85 limit.
Take it from me who loves to look at numbers. I used to be that very same recruiting newbie. We will easily have a 25 man class in 2014. 17 SRs plus attrition plus early NFL plus nonqualifiers = 25 LOIs by Feb 2014.
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My total of 66 disagrees with the OP. But that is okay since I disagree with the official site and with Scout, both of which have a total of 65. I have E. Johnson, the official site does not. I have Ricardo Williams, Scout does not. Without seeing the OP's list, I am going to guess he has C. White who I think is gone. The official site, Scout and I have 17 seniors, here is my list:
Crow, Dewey, Morris, Thompson, Ry. Williams
Hagens
Clements, D. Crawford, Dillard, D. Johnson
J. Carter, Dorsett, Hurns, Jones, Lewis, Lockhart, Scott, Waters
Cleveland, O’Donnell. Walford
Bunche, Feliciano, Flowers, Galbois, Henderson, Isadora, Linder, McDermott, Wells, Wheeler
Cain, Chickillo, Dye, Green, Hamilton, Hoilett, McCord, Perry, Ri. Williams
Briscoe, Grimble, Ivery, King, Moore, Pierre, Porter, Robinson
Armbrister, Blue, Cornelieus, Gains, E. Johnson, Kirby, Perryman, Terry
A. Crawford, Dortch, Gunter, Hope, Howard
Bush, Jenkins, Highsmith, Rodgers
Goudis
The 85 limit is always relevant, but not as relevant as it was in 2010 and before. In Jan. of 2010, if you wanted to count an EE back to 2009, not only did you have to have room on the 25 list of initial counters for 2009, you had to have room on the 85 list for the fall semester of 2009. Now, all you need is room on the 25 list. You have to have room on the 85 list for the 2nd semester.
E.G., lets say that you had 80 players the previous semester with 19 initial counters. In the old days you would be able to count only 5 EEs back because of the 85 limit. Now, you would be able to count 6 back provided you could remove at least 1 guy from the official roster before the 2nd semester.
To illustrate who can be removed and who can't be removed after the 1st semester lets look at UM's roster this year. In addition to the 66 guys I listed above, we had 11 seniors plus J. Johnson. Paul, White, Finnie and V. Davis all report to fall camp. Since they all received athletic financial aid, they were on the official roster for the fall of 2012 giving UM 82 counters. Any of the 11 seniors and the 5 guys I just listed that have their degree could have been removed from the roster before the 2nd semester. The rest will be removed after the 2nd semester. If my numbers are correct, we had to remove at least 2 to get the 5 EEs in school. I think we could count 1 of those EEs back to 2012. If all 14 of the signees get into school in the fall we will have 85 counters and 18 initial counters for 2013 plus upto 7 EEs for Jan. 2014.
So how many 'ships do we have for 2014, I don't know.
I would think less than 25. If UM truly has 85 counters for '13 and 17 seniors, you would need to lose 8 to attrition to make room for 25. A lot of ifs here (all recruits qualify and the 66 are all back to get to 85), but 25 looks doubtful for '14.
Crow, Dewey, Morris, Thompson, Ry. Williams
Hagens
Clements, D. Crawford, Dillard, D. Johnson
J. Carter, Dorsett, Hurns, Jones, Lewis, Lockhart, Scott, Waters
Cleveland, O’Donnell. Walford
Bunche, Feliciano, Flowers, Galbois, Henderson, Isadora, Linder, McDermott, Wells, Wheeler
Cain, Chickillo, Dye, Green, Hamilton, Hoilett, McCord, Perry, Ri. Williams
Briscoe, Grimble, Ivery, King, Moore, Pierre, Porter, Robinson
Armbrister, Blue, Cornelieus, Gains, E. Johnson, Kirby, Perryman, Terry
A. Crawford, Dortch, Gunter, Hope, Howard
Bush, Jenkins, Highsmith, Rodgers
Goudis
The 85 limit is always relevant, but not as relevant as it was in 2010 and before. In Jan. of 2010, if you wanted to count an EE back to 2009, not only did you have to have room on the 25 list of initial counters for 2009, you had to have room on the 85 list for the fall semester of 2009. Now, all you need is room on the 25 list. You have to have room on the 85 list for the 2nd semester.
E.G., lets say that you had 80 players the previous semester with 19 initial counters. In the old days you would be able to count only 5 EEs back because of the 85 limit. Now, you would be able to count 6 back provided you could remove at least 1 guy from the official roster before the 2nd semester.
To illustrate who can be removed and who can't be removed after the 1st semester lets look at UM's roster this year. In addition to the 66 guys I listed above, we had 11 seniors plus J. Johnson. Paul, White, Finnie and V. Davis all report to fall camp. Since they all received athletic financial aid, they were on the official roster for the fall of 2012 giving UM 82 counters. Any of the 11 seniors and the 5 guys I just listed that have their degree could have been removed from the roster before the 2nd semester. The rest will be removed after the 2nd semester. If my numbers are correct, we had to remove at least 2 to get the 5 EEs in school. I think we could count 1 of those EEs back to 2012. If all 14 of the signees get into school in the fall we will have 85 counters and 18 initial counters for 2013 plus upto 7 EEs for Jan. 2014.
So how many 'ships do we have for 2014, I don't know.
I would think less than 25. If UM truly has 85 counters for '13 and 17 seniors, you would need to lose 8 to attrition to make room for 25. A lot of ifs here (all recruits qualify and the 66 are all back to get to 85), but 25 looks doubtful for '14.
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hawaiicane
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Wow, class is now up to 19 LOIs. 
Where are the folks who thought we would only have 15 LOIs for 2013? 
We're at 85 now, assuming everyone enrolls. Most likely though a couple won't make it in. Which will leave us at 83 for 2013, with 17 seniors. With additional attrition and early NFL departures, a class of 25 is right within reach. Just like many of us predicted.
Where are the folks who thought we would only have 15 LOIs for 2013? We're at 85 now, assuming everyone enrolls. Most likely though a couple won't make it in. Which will leave us at 83 for 2013, with 17 seniors. With additional attrition and early NFL departures, a class of 25 is right within reach. Just like many of us predicted.
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