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NIL - how does this help us?

wspcane said:
Sure... but if the member institutions (or, Power 5 conferences) said we don't want you to have authority anymore then that would go out the window. But agreed, that would be a seismic shift and one I can't imagine happening soon.
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I'm not disagreeing with you or ajcane, I'm just pointing out that nobody has had the stones to try that yet.

 
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wspcane said:
Will be curious to see how all of this shakes out. The NCAA is a funny thing in that it really has no power aside from its members consenting to it. As you know, if they tell the NCAA to stick it up their ***, then there is not much the NCAA can do. It always amazes me how it acts and portrays itself as a part of the federal government but is just a good old fashion not-for-profit who originally was formed to unify some rules of sport.
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Please tell me somewhere there’s an anti-trust argument dying to jump out and smack the NCAA???
 
RVACane said:
Please tell me somewhere there’s an anti-trust argument dying to jump out and smack the NCAA???
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That is so far out of my wheelhouse I wouldn’t even know where to begin. But maybe they will do something to lose their tax exempt status, which is incidentally tied to the amateur athleticism. Does that go out or the window with the NIL?
 
wspcane said:
Sure... but if the member institutions (or, Power 5 conferences) said we don't want you to have authority anymore then that would go out the window. But agreed, that would be a seismic shift and one I can't imagine happening soon.
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Why would schools want to change? They get hundreds of millions for the cost of a scholarship. The NCAA ensures that system stays in place. The system works just fine for all colleges. Even the 114+ schools with zero shot at a championship are all in because of revenue sharing. You could try to create a separate association, but the NCAA would bully it out of existence. There is only a moral motive- not a financial one- to change the way the NCAA works.
 
TimeB0mb said:
Why would schools want to change? They get hundreds of millions for the cost of a scholarship. The NCAA ensures that system stays in place. The system works just fine for all colleges. Even the 114+ schools with zero shot at a championship are all in because of revenue sharing. You could try to create a separate association, but the NCAA would bully it out of existence. There is only a moral motive- not a financial one- to change the way the NCAA works.
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Also, the NFL would be none too pleased if their free farm system disappeared.
 
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Ajcane8 said:
And those rules were written when the players wore leather helmets and the games were broadcast to 35 people on student radio. Perhaps they were “amateurs” back then.
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There was a show on Netflix earlier this year called The English Game. It was about the roots of soccer and the English Football Association. Essentially, the FA was responsible for the rules of the sport and the largest tournament at the time. It was also run by players from teams of the various prep schools. At the time, no teams were allowed that had professional players, so teams of various mills and factories essentially had no shot. The show was about the early efforts of some of these mill owners to go around the rules of amateurism and the development of professionals and transfers. Interesting stuff on the history of amateurism in sports.
 
TimeB0mb said:
Why would schools want to change? They get hundreds of millions for the cost of a scholarship. The NCAA ensures that system stays in place. The system works just fine for all colleges. Even the 114+ schools with zero shot at a championship are all in because of revenue sharing. You could try to create a separate association, but the NCAA would bully it out of existence. There is only a moral motive- not a financial one- to change the way the NCAA works.
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I don’t think there is much financial incentive to change for now. But who knows with where money in the sport is going. I mean, if somehow the power 5 conferences could privatize and keep the cash. I doubt anything changes in the short term but there is definitely a growing gap between the P5 and G5 schools, as well as really football/basketball and literally every other sport.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I'm not disagreeing with you or ajcane, I'm just pointing out that nobody has had the stones to try that yet.

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“Our wretched species is so made that those who walk on the well-trodden path always throw stones at those who are showing a new road.” - Some French guy.
Somebody, as you said, just needs to grow a pair and throw a big middle finger at the NCAA. I thought it could’ve been Trevor Lawrence. He could’ve thumbed his nose at the cartels running “amateur football” by taking a couple mil a year from Vince McMahon after his freshman season - similar to the basketball kids going straight to the g league or Australia. Too bad the xfl went belly up and didn’t give him a chance.
 
wspcane said:
There was a show on Netflix earlier this year called The English Game. It was about the roots of soccer and the English Football Association. Essentially, the FA was responsible for the rules of the sport and the largest tournament at the time. It was also run by players from teams of the various prep schools. At the time, no teams were allowed that had professional players, so teams of various mills and factories essentially had no shot. The show was about the early efforts of some of these mill owners to go around the rules of amateurism and the development of professionals and transfers. Interesting stuff on the history of amateurism in sports.
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I’ll check it out.
 
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Ajcane8 said:
Also, the NFL would be none too pleased if their free farm system disappeared.
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Its just one of those things that you have to accept as corrupt and move on, lest you lose your mind. If you've ever read the short story, "At the Mountains of Madness" it's something like that- you are faced with such an incomprehensible awful truth about the horrors of the universe that you will go insane. The NCAA now exists purely to ensure that schools can get free labor from players. It's made many, many people involved multi millionaires. Schools, coaches, administrators, TV executives, politicians all work together to keep the system in place. There is not a force on this earth that can reform the NCAA. The NCAA'S continuing existence is like the truth behind the Jeffrey Epstein situation. Its probably better for your mental health to remain in ignorance (or just forget what you know) and not ask questions rather than learn the facts and get sucked down into the abyss. It can get real depressing.
 
TimeB0mb said:
Its just one of those things that you have to accept as corrupt and move on, lest you lose your mind. If you've ever read the short story, "At the Mountains of Madness" it's something like that- you are faced with such an incomprehensible awful truth about the horrors of the universe that you will go insane. The NCAA now exists purely to ensure that schools can get free labor from players. It's made many, many people involved multi millionaires. Schools, coaches, administrators, TV executives, politicians all work together to keep the system in place. There is not a force on this earth that can reform the NCAA. The NCAA'S continuing existence is like the truth behind the Jeffrey Epstein situation. Its probably better for your mental health to remain in ignorance (or just forget what you know) and not ask questions rather than learn the facts and get sucked down into the abyss. It can get real depressing.
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The half full argument would be the French Revolution. Marie Antoinette told the bread-less masses to eat cake, three weeks later she was a foot shorter up top. The NCAA ain’t no Bastille.
 
Ajcane8 said:
The half full argument would be the French Revolution. Marie Antoinette told the bread-less masses to eat cake, three weeks later she was a foot shorter up top. The NCAA ain’t no Bastille.
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That probably didnt happen (was attributed to her after the revolution to show how callous the royals were and thus deserving of execution) but I get your point.
 
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In Georgia the income will be 25 % to the player and the balance dispersed to all the other athletes in school..do not know if it’s just the scholly athletes. Bigger problem I see is a player gets mad because he does not get enough action. Team/me will go out the door for some players.
 
So.

Theoretically, car dealerships can offer cars to certain players - like Alabama, Auburn, Clempson, and so many big state schools already do?

But UM players just DRIVING the cars around would be sufficient for the dealer?

We could easily match the bonus features with the big schools with such things - our bagmen could stay in the lane of NCAA/Florida rules and STILL get the job done.
 
MiraCane said:
In Georgia the income will be 25 % to the player and the balance dispersed to all the other athletes in school..do not know if it’s just the scholly athletes. Bigger problem I see is a player gets mad because he does not get enough action. Team/me will go out the door for some players.
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So basically, there's still a 75% tax rate on player payments, meaning a 75% benefit to below the table payments relative to open ones.
 
MiraCane said:
In Georgia the income will be 25 % to the player and the balance dispersed to all the other athletes in school..do not know if it’s just the scholly athletes. Bigger problem I see is a player gets mad because he does not get enough action. Team/me will go out the door for some players.
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This is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. So this is how they get around title 9 and non revenue sports.
 
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