News Flash: the offense is also not elite

[561Cane]

Who has called the team elite aside from some of the idiot posters on this site? I've not heard one player, coach, broadcaster, beatwriter that is involved day to day with the program mention the word "elite" and its association with the 2013 Canes Football Team....

The talent, on BOTH sides of the ball, is simply not there yet.

The offense:
(i) Has no RB depth and lacks a decent power-back...210lbs+, who can consistently gains 3-4 tough yrds
(ii) is lead by a QB who is a poor decision maker, shows inconsistent accuracy, is immobile and arguably soft, and can't be trusted to throw over the middle of the field
(iii) has no "go to" WR
(iv) has a TE with questionable hands

Item (ii) alone is the death of most teams. It's time to stop blaming coach D, the schemes, coach C, the play calling, etc. This team is 7-1--it is a good team. It is not an elite team, FSU is. Fortunately, the coaching staff is fixing the problem....

 

[Biscuits]

It's really just the qb. Imagine Winston throwing to Dorsett, Hurns, Coley, and Waters. Now think about the damage Duke could do running ball with the threat of that passing attack. Maybe we wouldn't be the best in the country, but I bet we would be a very powerful offense with a better qb.

All this. Hurns is clearly a go to WR. Walford's hands are fine, he just had a bad game.

It's almost entirely on Morris. No check downs. Bad pocket presence (this year). Few middle routes.

 

[ScubaCane]

Our offense is hamstrung by the ineptitude at QB. A quality QB could make this offense absolutely lethal, if Duke was still healthy.

 

[Coach Macho]

Who's to say Morris wouldn't look better in Winston's offense? (or any other offense for that matter)

IMO Morris looked so good in the 1st half because we called an offense that utilized the whole field. I don't know what the **** OC Coley started doing in the 2nd half.

All this talk about how Morris can't throw to the middle of the field is funny because that's where we found some of our success in the 1st half.

 

[poncho0091]

Funny because this same horrible qb looked fine last year..........

He was statistically WORSE last year. Try again.

We played a much harder schedule last year and that was Morris's first year starting and he looked good. Stats don't always tell the story, so maybe you can try again.

I'm not saying Morris was all world greatness, but he was solid. It makes me laugh that all of the things you couch coach's claim are his problems (leadership, pocket presence, mobility in the pocket) were some of the biggest things NFL scouts (you know, the guys who do this for a living) loved about him from last year along with the huge arm. So if the scouts liked it because of what he did last year, then it must be that he showed he had it last year.

Lets also add, all the talent around him is a year older, bigger, more experienced etc, so considering we are playing a bunch of scrubs with exception of FSU and UF, I would be surprised if our numbers were not close or better. Even with his numbers up this year, he has not looked right all year. The offense was not in sync before he got hurt and things were not running smoothly. Last year, the offense always looked confident and in sync. They may have disappeared for periods, but it was mental mistakes mostly, and they came back on the field and would usually get it together.

I'm not complaining that we are 7-1 or placing blame on anyone, because if I (or any of the rest of us) were good enough evaluators to know the problems, we would be on the sidelines and not on our computers.

 

[poncho0091]

Who's to say Morris wouldn't look better in Winston's offense? (or any other offense for that matter)

IMO Morris looked so good in the 1st half because we called an offense that utilized the whole field. I don't know what the **** OC Coley started doing in the 2nd half.

All this talk about how Morris can't throw to the middle of the field is funny because that's where we found some of our success in the 1st half.

When Coley calls plays to the middle we find success. When I say middle, I mean mid range passes, 5-10 yards, not that garbage coley runs with streak routes every play 25 yards down field. We were good at deep plays last year because we did not abuse it. We are abusing it this year and so teams are just waiting for it. Coley's offense feels like Whipple and JH all over again, except he runs the ball more. Man Whipple and JH loves the deep ball. Too bad JH didnt have the arm for it.

 

[Dwinstitles]

LOL @ us not having enough talent on offense. There's OC's in this country that would kill for our WR core, a QB who's mobile and has a cannon and a RB like Duke.

We have plenty of talent, we just don't use it properly. Granted, Morris is somewhat of a mental midget at times but there's ways to design and offense around that. You can make it so your QB will have less mental errors. You can give a QB easier reads and throws. We don't exactly make things easy on Morris.

If I had Morris and this core of WR's (I would get fired because he cant hit any open routes)I would spread defenses out and use leverage against them (But Morris would get rattled and it would look totally different when hes rattled). I could hit guys like Coley on simple "stick" routes or inside hitch routes against the LB's and if defenses bumped out to cover our slots I would run the ball. All this nonsense we do, with all these **** vertical routes outside the hashes only makes things more difficult for Morris.

Its called QB

Everyone was laughing in the off season of why Stacy Coley would go play for FSU Offense, also everyone laughed at Jo Jo Robinson of Miami Northwestern when he said I want to play with Winston. These kids know who are ballers, secondly it shows just how that 1 signal caller can change an offense and change a program such as Johnny Manziel. Who the *** was Texas A&M before he got there tell me because I still think they just got in D 1.

Also we will see if Morris is a boss in the nfl like people claim cuz thats how I measure guys, also wildcat u coach Defense right? Im pretty sure when u had less talent your Defense was worse but when u had the talent you were better at certain things? Im pretty sure your best d u ever coached couldnt stop BTW or Miami Central, tell me why? I'll tell u......................talent. U can coach ur *** off against Brady Manning or Rodgers or whomever, if u cant get pressure with four your done no matter how many pro bowlers are in that secondary.


PS also FIFY

 

[FullyERicht]

Funny because this same horrible qb looked fine last year..........

He was statistically WORSE last year. Try again.

We played a much harder schedule last year and that was Morris's first year starting and he looked good. Stats don't always tell the story, so maybe you can try again.

I'm not saying Morris was all world greatness, but he was solid. It makes me laugh that all of the things you couch coach's claim are his problems (leadership, pocket presence, mobility in the pocket) were some of the biggest things NFL scouts (you know, the guys who do this for a living) loved about him from last year along with the huge arm. So if the scouts liked it because of what he did last year, then it must be that he showed he had it last year.

Lets also add, all the talent around him is a year older, bigger, more experienced etc, so considering we are playing a bunch of scrubs with exception of FSU and UF, I would be surprised if our numbers were not close or better. Even with his numbers up this year, he has not looked right all year. The offense was not in sync before he got hurt and things were not running smoothly. Last year, the offense always looked confident and in sync. They may have disappeared for periods, but it was mental mistakes mostly, and they came back on the field and would usually get it together.

I'm not complaining that we are 7-1 or placing blame on anyone, because if I (or any of the rest of us) were good enough evaluators to know the problems, we would be on the sidelines and not on our computers.

Ah so he "looked good".....and yet at the end of the year wasn't even in the top FIFTY of QB rating. The stats actually are an EXCELLENT indicator of on field performance, given the guys who make up the top ten in said stats. Why is it that for guys like Manzeil, TB, Mariota, ****, McCarron, Murray, Boyd, Hundley, and Shaw the stat shows them all to be in the top 25, but no Morris? maybe the calculators are just Canes haters.......LMFAO.

 

[FullyERicht]

Btw, EJ Manuel, in the same effing play book, managed to be a top 20 rated passer last year.

It's as if some people can't accept that a 3 star nobody who isn't very intelligent from a SFla coached system might just be a mediocre talent. It's unreal.

 

[Coach Macho]

LOL @ us not having enough talent on offense. There's OC's in this country that would kill for our WR core, a QB who's mobile and has a cannon and a RB like Duke.

We have plenty of talent, we just don't use it properly. Granted, Morris is somewhat of a mental midget at times but there's ways to design and offense around that. You can make it so your QB will have less mental errors. You can give a QB easier reads and throws. We don't exactly make things easy on Morris.

If I had Morris and this core of WR's (I would get fired because he cant hit any open routes)I would spread defenses out and use leverage against them (But Morris would get rattled and it would look totally different when hes rattled). I could hit guys like Coley on simple "stick" routes or inside hitch routes against the LB's and if defenses bumped out to cover our slots I would run the ball. All this nonsense we do, with all these **** vertical routes outside the hashes only makes things more difficult for Morris.

Its called QB

Everyone was laughing in the off season of why Stacy Coley would go play for FSU Offense, also everyone laughed at Jo Jo Robinson of Miami Northwestern when he said I want to play with Winston. These kids know who are ballers, secondly it shows just how that 1 signal caller can change an offense and change a program such as Johnny Manziel. Who the *** was Texas A&M before he got there tell me because I still think they just got in D 1.

Also we will see if Morris is a boss in the nfl like people claim cuz thats how I measure guys, also wildcat u coach Defense right? Im pretty sure when u had less talent your Defense was worse but when u had the talent you were better at certain things? Im pretty sure your best d u ever coached couldnt stop BTW or Miami Central, tell me why? I'll tell u......................talent. U can coach ur *** off against Brady Manning or Rodgers or whomever, if u cant get pressure with four your done no matter how many pro bowlers are in that secondary.


PS also FIFY

If you think the only difference between our offense and FSU's offense is talent at the QB positon then I don't know what else to say to you. It was clear as day to me, and my OC buddy who played QB at Miami, that we were watching 2 totally different offenses that Saturday night. It was also clear to us that Morris had every bit as much natural talent as Winston.

The biggest difference between Winston and Morris that night was the fact that FSU's OC gave Winston plenty of easy throws. Simple 5 yard hitch/curl routes right next to our LB's. Winston didn't make any breath-taking throws in that game. HE DIDN'T HAVE TO.

Coley gave Morris easy reads and easy throws in the 1st half. We hit FSU right in the middle of their defense. Then the 2nd half came around and we went right back to the vertical attack, deep balls up the seam and sideline. How many times do we have to watch Morris throws INT's to a covered Walford up the seam? Even I know that the seam route wouldn't be open against FSU because I study Saban's principles and he has a defense for that. (and Pruitt learned from Saban) We shouldn't even be thinking about throwing the seam against FSU.

 

[Coach Macho]

Btw, EJ Manuel, in the same effing play book, managed to be a top 20 rated passer last year.

It's as if some people can't accept that a 3 star nobody who isn't very intelligent from a SFla coached system might just be a mediocre talent. It's unreal.

Coley was calling the plays at FSU?

 

[poncho0091]

Btw, EJ Manuel, in the same effing play book, managed to be a top 20 rated passer last year.

It's as if some people can't accept that a 3 star nobody who isn't very intelligent from a SFla coached system might just be a mediocre talent. It's unreal.

If Coley was the play caller at FSU, he likely would not have left.

 

[OBLIVION]

News Flash: The thread is also not elite

 

[LatinCane]

It's a process. Talent is not abundant, nor has it peaked. Offense is not complete. Defense is not complete. Special teams are not complete. I think 7-0 gave the fans a false sense of bravado but we are no where near where we need to be. Golden has said it over and over "The U is not back. It's getting there, but it's not there." Are we better than last year? Yes. Are we were we need to be to, in order to be complete and respected? No. Take a breath and enjoy the ride.

 

[Dwinstitles]

LOL @ us not having enough talent on offense. There's OC's in this country that would kill for our WR core, a QB who's mobile and has a cannon and a RB like Duke.

We have plenty of talent, we just don't use it properly. Granted, Morris is somewhat of a mental midget at times but there's ways to design and offense around that. You can make it so your QB will have less mental errors. You can give a QB easier reads and throws. We don't exactly make things easy on Morris.

If I had Morris and this core of WR's (I would get fired because he cant hit any open routes)I would spread defenses out and use leverage against them (But Morris would get rattled and it would look totally different when hes rattled). I could hit guys like Coley on simple "stick" routes or inside hitch routes against the LB's and if defenses bumped out to cover our slots I would run the ball. All this nonsense we do, with all these **** vertical routes outside the hashes only makes things more difficult for Morris.

Its called QB

Everyone was laughing in the off season of why Stacy Coley would go play for FSU Offense, also everyone laughed at Jo Jo Robinson of Miami Northwestern when he said I want to play with Winston. These kids know who are ballers, secondly it shows just how that 1 signal caller can change an offense and change a program such as Johnny Manziel. Who the *** was Texas A&M before he got there tell me because I still think they just got in D 1.

Also we will see if Morris is a boss in the nfl like people claim cuz thats how I measure guys, also wildcat u coach Defense right? Im pretty sure when u had less talent your Defense was worse but when u had the talent you were better at certain things? Im pretty sure your best d u ever coached couldnt stop BTW or Miami Central, tell me why? I'll tell u......................talent. U can coach ur *** off against Brady Manning or Rodgers or whomever, if u cant get pressure with four your done no matter how many pro bowlers are in that secondary.


PS also FIFY

If you think the only difference between our offense and FSU's offense is talent at the QB positon then I don't know what else to say to you. It was clear as day to me, and my OC buddy who played QB at Miami, that we were watching 2 totally different offenses that Saturday night. It was also clear to us that Morris had every bit as much natural talent as Winston.

The biggest difference between Winston and Morris that night was the fact that FSU's OC gave Winston plenty of easy throws. Simple 5 yard hitch/curl routes right next to our LB's. Winston didn't make any breath-taking throws in that game. HE DIDN'T HAVE TO.

Coley gave Morris easy reads and easy throws in the 1st half. We hit FSU right in the middle of their defense. Then the 2nd half came around and we went right back to the vertical attack, deep balls up the seam and sideline. How many times do we have to watch Morris throws INT's to a covered Walford up the seam? Even I know that the seam route wouldn't be open against FSU because I study Saban's principles and he has a defense for that. (and Pruitt learned from Saban) We shouldn't even be thinking about throwing the seam against FSU.

I'll give u the dink and dunks routes play calling was more favorable for Winston, but just because Morris has a cannon doesnt mean hes more talented, The best qbs know how to throw deep enough and put different angles and touches on the ball. There only 2 throws I see Morris make a deep ball and a bullet. To throw over the middle u have to have an arc and touch, can he throw one probably but u gotta be consistant and if its not a strength of his game they wont let him do it. Winston can do it all and they trust him thats the difference, Winston had hype coming from FSU spring ball but it was real hype. Morris's hype was off a combine he won which proves that he can throw to people with no pass rush, anyone should be able to do that if your starting at a D1 college thats y that elite 11 **** is a joke. I get what your saying but Winston is leaps beyond Morris and its not even close.

I trust Coley and I know in one year u cant expect greatness but with time and a different QB we will see what hes about, maybe your right but time will tell. Its pointless to argue about it when we know where u stand already. **** I might agree with u in a year or two I can admit Im wrong I have no problem doing that, but right now with my eye balls it was talent that lost that game and its y Morris was shaky because of there speed. Im pretty sure u know more than me x's and o's since u coach but my mind can change later on but right now the guy can build relationships and increase the talent level that here in SFLA and I will take that risk after watching what happened sat night. As long as hes not Patrick Nix.

 

[NVA CANE]

Put bridgewater or Winston on this team and you've got a high powered offense. We've got enough talent to move the ball at will. The only missing piece is the QB

 

[zone3cane]

Why is it that the offense has a new OC, a gimpy QB, 2 of it's best players out, but it's still a better unit then a defense that's had D'onofrio for how many years????

 

[Dwinstitles]

Btw, EJ Manuel, in the same effing play book, managed to be a top 20 rated passer last year.

It's as if some people can't accept that a 3 star nobody who isn't very intelligent from a SFla coached system might just be a mediocre talent. It's unreal.

Coley was calling the plays at FSU?

I dont watch alot of FSU games or anything other than a Miami game but our formations look similar to them from last year but I dont know if they changed anything, they always out talented everyone even with EJ. EJ was an ok college qb but had wheels and that makes a ton of difference it keeps a D on there heels. I would love for us to get a dual threat qb that can escape but escape smartly.

 

[zone3cane]

FSU's offense wasnt dominating Jimbo's 1st year, to compare what FSU's offense has looked like over the last couple of years to what James Coley is doing this year w/ none of his own players is a little far fetched.

Regardless the offense is a much better unit then the defense and D'onofrio, who has his guys on the defense, has been here a lot longer then James Coley..... Hmmmmmmm.