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Add to the fact.. when was the last time we signed a top Juco or one that contributed. We took Jahair Jones and he had to redshirt. Beau Sandland tranfered. The Plug DT. Javante Dean.

Our track record on taking Jucos hasn’t quite worked out for us lately.

This situation is not comparable to what Saban does. Saban also lands juco Guys that were top HS recruits.

We are headed into year 4 with massive holes still and that falls directly on CMR. We all know Kool wasn’t pulling his weight but there is no excuse. CMR was handed a loaded deck at DL when he arrived. DT and DE recruiting has been bad.

They need to realize Joe Jackson will leave early. Then the following year Garvin will do the same. Start planning ahead.
 
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orange&green84 said:
That's because he's a complete idiot. Remember, brock an ACL tear and an MCL sprain are the exact same thing and you're apparently an idiot for not knowing that.
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A sprain is stretching/ tearing of ligament. A Strain is stretching/tearing on muscleor tendons.

You are the idiot.
 
jkaz1 said:
Plenty of JUCOs on that team - McKinnie, Shockey, Andrew Williams, Jerome McDougle and Cornelius Green (I think he was on the team in '01).

JUCOs should definitely be one of the tools coaches use to keep the talent loaded on the sidelines when there is a shortfall in an area.
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Yes you’re correct he was a medical redshirt for his toe in 2001. **** I just remembered he missed the National Title game in 2002 with the knee injury. He would’ve made a difference.I’m😢 sorry still stings
 
M3N said:
A sprain is stretching/ tearing of ligament. A Strain is stretching/tearing on muscleor tendons.

You are the idiot.
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With a sprained MCL, Gurvan Hall's out for the spring and will be able to participate in fall camp and the season. If he had torn his ACL he misses the season - ie Cager.

It's baffling that you seem to be the only one that doesn't get it - yet you've proven my point that you're a complete idiot.
 
orange&green84 said:
With a sprained MCL, Gurvan Hall's out for the spring and will be able to participate in fall camp and the season. If he had torn his ACL he misses the season - ie Cager.

It's baffling that you seem to be the only one that doesn't get it - yet you've proven my point that you're a complete idiot.
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First why are you even talking about ACL...we all know that immediatly knocks you out for 8 months min.

This all goes back to Brock insuating that a MCL sprain is no big deal. I forget his comment verbatim, but it was something like " I hope its only a Mcl sprian". Why the **** would you hope for that type of injury. Should of just hope it was a twisted ankle.
 
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M3N said:
First why are you even talking about ACL...we all know that immediatly knocks you out for 8 months min.

This all goes back to Brock insuating that a MCL sprain is no big deal. I forget his comment verbatim, but it was something like " I hope its only a Mcl sprian". Why the **** would you hope for that type of injury. Should of just hope it was a twisted ankle.
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Because @brock like everyone else thought it was a torn ACL that Hall suffered. He was hoping that at his juncture it was just a sprain to the MCL - which it was. An MCL sprain isn't as bad because it involves rest and no surgery.

When Hall went down with a non-contact injury, you thought everything was okay? That's laughable.
 
M3N said:
First why are you even talking about ACL...we all know that immediatly knocks you out for 8 months min.

This all goes back to Brock insuating that a MCL sprain is no big deal. I forget his comment verbatim, but it was something like " I hope its only a Mcl sprian". Why the **** would you hope for that type of injury. Should of just hope it was a twisted ankle.
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A "twisted ankle" is medically referred to as a sprained ankle. So based on the above, @brock is an idiot for hoping for a sprained mcl when he should have hoped for a sprained ankle instead? Even a grade 1 ankle sprain still usually takes 2-3 weeks to recover fully, and a grade 2 or 3 ankle sprain can keep a player off the field for months (any sometimes require surgery). C'mon, man...
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
A "twisted ankle" is medically referred to as a sprained ankle. So based on the above, @brock is an idiot for hoping for a sprained mcl when he should have hoped for a sprained ankle instead? Even a grade 1 ankle sprain still usually takes 2-3 weeks to recover fully, and a grade 2 or 3 ankle sprain can keep a player off the field for months (any sometimes require surgery). C'mon, man...
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The context of the discussion was when Gurvan Hall went down with a non-contact knee injury while screaming in pain. Suffice it to say, I'm pretty sure @brock knew that a sprained ankle wasn't a possible injury in this case. So yeah, hoping for an MCL sprain at that juncture was the better case scenario - which luckily turned out to be the case.
 
orange&green84 said:
The context of the discussion was when Gurvan Hall went down with a non-contact knee injury while screaming in pain. Suffice it to say, I'm pretty sure @brock knew that a sprained ankle wasn't a possible injury in this case. So yeah, hoping for an MCL sprain at that juncture was the better case scenario - which luckily turned out to be the case.
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Oh, I agree completely. I was just laughing at the back pedaling position of mcl sprain vs ankle sprain.
 
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M3N said:
We should not need to recruit jucos in year 4.
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Confused if you dislike the particular juco recruit or going after a juco "in year 4" because that makes zero sense. A college roster is always changing year to year...what difference does "in year 4" makes.
Is year 5 ok ? How about 6?
 
M3N said:
Add to the fact.. when was the last time we signed a top Juco or one that contributed. We took Jahair Jones and he had to redshirt. Beau Sandland tranfered. The Plug DT. Javante Dean.

Our track record on taking Jucos hasn’t quite worked out for us lately.

This situation is not comparable to what Saban does. Saban also lands juco Guys that were top HS recruits.

We are headed into year 4 with massive holes still and that falls directly on CMR. We all know Kool wasn’t pulling his weight but there is no excuse. CMR was handed a loaded deck at DL when he arrived. DT and DE recruiting has been bad.

They need to realize Joe Jackson will leave early. Then the following year Garvin will do the same. Start planning ahead.
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If you're going to go and mention guys from previous regimes, then how about we reference McKinney and Shockey as JUCO guys that have worked out? Most of the guys you've mentioned were evaluations under Golden.
 
M3N said:
Add to the fact.. when was the last time we signed a top Juco or one that contributed. We took Jahair Jones and he had to redshirt. Beau Sandland tranfered. The Plug DT. Javante Dean.

Our track record on taking Jucos hasn’t quite worked out for us lately.

This situation is not comparable to what Saban does. Saban also lands juco Guys that were top HS recruits.

We are headed into year 4 with massive holes still and that falls directly on CMR. We all know Kool wasn’t pulling his weight but there is no excuse. CMR was handed a loaded deck at DL when he arrived. DT and DE recruiting has been bad.

They need to realize Joe Jackson will leave early. Then the following year Garvin will do the same. Start planning ahead.
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WTF are you *****ing about? Every team takes JUCOs. No coach is freaking omniescent. Even the great Saban himself got screwed when he lost his starting LB corps and slipped up late in the season with backups who werent as good.

People like you will ***** about anything. If Richt doesn't take JUCO's and we're forced to play true FR you'll *****. If Richt takes JUCO's, you still *****.
 
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M3N said:
Add to the fact.. when was the last time we signed a top Juco or one that contributed. We took Jahair Jones and he had to redshirt. Beau Sandland tranfered. The Plug DT. Javante Dean.

Our track record on taking Jucos hasn’t quite worked out for us lately.

This situation is not comparable to what Saban does. Saban also lands juco Guys that were top HS recruits.

We are headed into year 4 with massive holes still and that falls directly on CMR. We all know Kool wasn’t pulling his weight but there is no excuse. CMR was handed a loaded deck at DL when he arrived. DT and DE recruiting has been bad.

They need to realize Joe Jackson will leave early. Then the following year Garvin will do the same. Start planning ahead.
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Al Goldens record on JUCO's. This staff has shown they are much better at talent evaluations.
 
orange&green84 said:
If you're going to go and mention guys from previous regimes, then how about we reference McKinney and Shockey as JUCO guys that have worked out? Most of the guys you've mentioned were evaluations under Golden.
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I said lately. I dont give a **** about past or present regimes. Shockey and McKinnie LOL ...almost 20 years ago. Stop living in the past man.

You going to just ignore Javante Dean? hes a new regime juco. Im sure they are better talent evaluators then previous regimes. **** the last two were jokes. But lets not act like the current staff is hitting home runs with juco/ grad guys.

We got lucky with Colbert. Delaney was decent. Dean is not UM caliber. Lets see who Boulware and Odigibo do.

All im saying is we shouldnt have to rely on these types in year 4. We have had plenty of time to get over the depth issues. CMR also had a loaded deck at DL when he arrived.

Truth apparently hurts or yall are butt hurt for whatevr reason.
 
M3N said:
I said lately. I dont give a **** about past or present regimes. Shockey and McKinnie LOL ...almost 20 years ago. Stop living in the past man.

You going to just ignore Javante Dean? hes a new regime juco. Im sure they are better talent evaluators then previous regimes. **** the last two were jokes. But lets not act like the current staff is hitting home runs with juco/ grad guys.

We got lucky with Colbert. Delaney was decent. Dean is not UM caliber. Lets see who Boulware and Odigibo do.

All im saying is we shouldnt have to rely on these types in year 4. We have had plenty of time to get over the depth issues. CMR also had a loaded deck at DL when he arrived.

Truth apparently hurts or yall are butt hurt for whatevr reason.
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So you told me to not go back 20 years. But you went back to an entirely different regime.

Dean's only been here 1 year. Do I expect him to be the next great CB out of Miami? No. But if he's someone that's a contributing member in the secondary, than I'm all for it.

That's 1 JUCO guy that the staff has gotten in Richt's 3rd year here. You just find a reason to ***** about something.

Boulware and Odigbo also aren't guys that are JUCOs - same with Colbert - they're grad transfers, you simp.

Again, roster's change from year-to-year. You keep mentioning that we shouldn't have to go the JUCO route. But Every. Single. College. Football. Program. Gets. JUCOs.
 
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@M3N I have to give you credit for consistency though. You always struck the general forum on Canesinsider that you were lacking brain cells. I'm glad to see not much has changed over the years. Stay consistent.
 
M3N said:
I said lately. I dont give a **** about past or present regimes. Shockey and McKinnie LOL ...almost 20 years ago. Stop living in the past man.

You going to just ignore Javante Dean? hes a new regime juco. Im sure they are better talent evaluators then previous regimes. **** the last two were jokes. But lets not act like the current staff is hitting home runs with juco/ grad guys.

We got lucky with Colbert. Delaney was decent. Dean is not UM caliber. Lets see who Boulware and Odigibo do.

All im saying is we shouldnt have to rely on these types in year 4. We have had plenty of time to get over the depth issues. CMR also had a loaded deck at DL when he arrived.

Truth apparently hurts or yall are butt hurt for whatevr reason.
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M3N said:
I said lately. I dont give a **** about past or present regimes. Shockey and McKinnie LOL ...almost 20 years ago. Stop living in the past man.

You going to just ignore Javante Dean? hes a new regime juco. Im sure they are better talent evaluators then previous regimes. **** the last two were jokes. But lets not act like the current staff is hitting home runs with juco/ grad guys.

We got lucky with Colbert. Delaney was decent. Dean is not UM caliber. Lets see who Boulware and Odigibo do.

All im saying is we shouldnt have to rely on these types in year 4. We have had plenty of time to get over the depth issues. CMR also had a loaded deck at DL when he arrived.

Truth apparently hurts or yall are butt hurt for whatevr reason.
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I'm still confused if you have a general problem recruiting juco because some juncos recruited by previous staffs didn't work out...or this particular juncos is not good...or we should never recruit juncos
 
orange&green84 said:
So you told me to not go back 20 years. But you went back to an entirely different regime.

Dean's only been here 1 year. Do I expect him to be the next great CB out of Miami? No. But if he's someone that's a contributing member in the secondary, than I'm all for it.

That's 1 JUCO guy that the staff has gotten in Richt's 3rd year here. You just find a reason to ***** about something.

Boulware and Odigbo also aren't guys that are JUCOs - same with Colbert - they're grad transfers, you simp.

Again, roster's change from year-to-year. You keep mentioning that we shouldn't have to go the JUCO route. But Every. Single. College. Football. Program. Gets. JUCOs.
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Maybe you need to read again. I said the current staff hasnt hit homeruns with juco/ or grad guys. Which is 100% fact. I dont know what your expectation level is, but when you sign a juco: he is supposed to be an immediate impact type guy... not just a rotational guy, you simp. Was alvin Kamara signed to just be a rotation guy? What about Kendell Sheffield? or Savion Smith? Maybe Zack Mettenburger? Tank Carridine? These dude were brought it to be instant impact. You dont waste 2/ 3 years on a decent Juco guy.

Drywall Harris: hes on what his 3rd year? Mediocre
Javante Dean: 1st year and he was last on the chart and with the new guys coming in, I doubt he sees the field.

Grad transfers I can understand. They are a quick fix and they are only here for a year.
We hit on Colbert. He was solid for us.

If we are just looking for guys to get in the "rotation".. Im sure CMR can close his eyes and swing a dead cat and hit atleast a few guys locally who can be just rotational guys.

Im not against JUCO guys, but if you are gonna bring em in. They better be studs, not mediocre players.
 
M3N said:
Maybe you need to read again. I said the current staff hasnt hit homeruns with juco/ or grad guys. Which is 100% fact. I dont know what your expectation level is, but when you sign a juco: he is supposed to be an immediate impact type guy... not just a rotational guy, you simp. Was alvin Kamara signed to just be a rotation guy? What about Kendell Sheffield? or Savion Smith? Maybe Zack Mettenburger? Tank Carridine? These dude were brought it to be instant impact. You dont waste 2/ 3 years on a decent Juco guy.

Drywall Harris: hes on what his 3rd year? Mediocre
Javante Dean: 1st year and he was last on the chart and with the new guys coming in, I doubt he sees the field.

Grad transfers I can understand. They are a quick fix and they are only here for a year.
We hit on Colbert. He was solid for us.

If we are just looking for guys to get in the "rotation".. Im sure CMR can close his eyes and swing a dead cat and hit atleast a few guys locally who can be just rotational guys.

Im not against JUCO guys, but if you are gonna bring em in. They better be studs, not mediocre players.
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You specifically mentioned JUCO guys, now you're mentioning grad transfers; those are two completely different things. And yes, Miami hit a home run with Colbert.

Tennessee struck gold with Kamara. They didn't even know what htey were getting with him.

It's a very small sample size with this current staff that you're nit picking on. Harris was a need at the time given our lack of depth at receiver and it's rare that you find instant impact JUCO WR guys. Dean is a guy that we absolutely needed again given our depth concerns at CB (we've missed on a number of targets at CB).

It'd be nice to get studs at every position, but not every guy is going to be an all american and go onto the NFL.
 
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