NCAA votes to allow Power-5 conferences autonomy

[rudebuddha]

We have plenty of money for the recruiting game. I hear you on the coaches. Big time state programs will always have that $$$$$ payroll. Look at Clemson.

I think we will be fine, just need to coach our studs up.

You are kidding right?

It wasn't until recently that we had facilities that would have made The University of Hawaii look like the New England Patriots.

You young fans don't seem to truly understand how incredible it was for us to win 5 NC's during a time when paying players was the norm.

The little private school was never supposed to do it.
You mentioned Clemson. They are in the south.
Name me a private non southern school that has ever won a NC, that isn't Notre Dame and Southern Cal.

The reason the Southern schools and big state schools have always had the advantage is that their alumni are fiercely loyal.
When you have huge enrollments every year the odds are pretty good that one or two of your graduates will strike it rich and become a big time under the table booster.

Up until relatively recently, Miami was the place New Englanders sent their Fuuck up kids to get some kind of education, when even big bribes wouldn't get them admittance to the Ivy's.
Fuuck ups do not generally become hugely successful on their own, and even if they did there was no football legacy at Miami until 1983.

Our two most recent Sugar Daddy's got us the harshest penalties this side of the Death Penalty.
We don't have the alumni financial base to compete with the hundred year tradition of big oil Texas boosters, or old money Southern boosters, rich entertainment graduates of Southern Cal, or Catholics who would sell their kid to help Notre Dame.

We had a rapper and a con man.

This new ruling signals the end of the NCAA. In the near future there will be some governing body presided over by the Big 5 conference representatives.

The big question for Miami is will we be able to afford to actually dole out 5-10K a year to 85 scholarship football players?
Right now we can't come close to matching a top 20 coach's salary.
What happens if the new power 5 decide to up scholarships to 125 a year, can we afford that.

Anybody who says, "sure, we can financially compete with the likes of Texas, Bama, Southern Cal, Notre Dame," is delusional.

A few things
1) Big market teams will dominate small market teams. Miami is a big market fwiw.
The field just changed IN MIAMI's favor. Schools in large TV markets, with large national fan bases will have greater value to recruit's and agents than anything a small market team can compete with.
2) Forget everything you know about alumni and its impact on revenue. It is now about brand and marketability. Miami's Brand is better and more marketable than the majority of schools in the power 5.
GREAT DAY TO BE A FAN OF THE MIAMI HURRICANES FOOTBALL PROGRAM
one last note:no state income tax in the state of Florida.

Big markets dominate small markets in college football?

You mean big markets like Tuscaloosa, Auburn Al, Gainesville FL, Tallahassee, Baton Rouge, Columbus OH, South Bend IN.

When's the last time you saw a college football National Champion come out of New York City?
Probably when leather helmets were used.

 

[Boarcane]

We have plenty of money for the recruiting game. I hear you on the coaches. Big time state programs will always have that $$$$$ payroll. Look at Clemson.

I think we will be fine, just need to coach our studs up.

You are kidding right?

It wasn't until recently that we had facilities that would have made The University of Hawaii look like the New England Patriots.

You young fans don't seem to truly understand how incredible it was for us to win 5 NC's during a time when paying players was the norm.

The little private school was never supposed to do it.
You mentioned Clemson. They are in the south.
Name me a private non southern school that has ever won a NC, that isn't Notre Dame and Southern Cal.

The reason the Southern schools and big state schools have always had the advantage is that their alumni are fiercely loyal.
When you have huge enrollments every year the odds are pretty good that one or two of your graduates will strike it rich and become a big time under the table booster.

Up until relatively recently, Miami was the place New Englanders sent their Fuuck up kids to get some kind of education, when even big bribes wouldn't get them admittance to the Ivy's.
Fuuck ups do not generally become hugely successful on their own, and even if they did there was no football legacy at Miami until 1983.

Our two most recent Sugar Daddy's got us the harshest penalties this side of the Death Penalty.
We don't have the alumni financial base to compete with the hundred year tradition of big oil Texas boosters, or old money Southern boosters, rich entertainment graduates of Southern Cal, or Catholics who would sell their kid to help Notre Dame.

We had a rapper and a con man.

This new ruling signals the end of the NCAA. In the near future there will be some governing body presided over by the Big 5 conference representatives.

The big question for Miami is will we be able to afford to actually dole out 5-10K a year to 85 scholarship football players?
Right now we can't come close to matching a top 20 coach's salary.
What happens if the new power 5 decide to up scholarships to 125 a year, can we afford that.

Anybody who says, "sure, we can financially compete with the likes of Texas, Bama, Southern Cal, Notre Dame," is delusional.

A few things
1) Big market teams will dominate small market teams. Miami is a big market fwiw.
The field just changed IN MIAMI's favor. Schools in large TV markets, with large national fan bases will have greater value to recruit's and agents than anything a small market team can compete with.
2) Forget everything you know about alumni and its impact on revenue. It is now about brand and marketability. Miami's Brand is better and more marketable than the majority of schools in the power 5.
GREAT DAY TO BE A FAN OF THE MIAMI HURRICANES FOOTBALL PROGRAM
one last note:no state income tax in the state of Florida.

The ACC TV contract is shared among all the schools in the conference. So how is this going to change that? The only thing this does is allows the new "upper crust" of Division I, to set its own rules, and the bigger programs are going to look to open up the flood gates allowing them to spend like drunken sailors beefing up their programs. UM does not have that kind of money. The TV contract/market issue is one for the ACC/ESPN contract, but all that revenue is shared throughout the conference. I don't see how anything in this new arrangement benefits UM.

AGENTS are going to be allowed to sell these kids like Pro's. This is no longer about conference alignment. College football just jumped the shark. Think pro sports light. Every kid will be given money equally by the conference. The ability for the kid to generate revenue on his own, think advertising dollars, is the driver of fortunes. Miami, it's Brand and the size of it's national base is huge. This is a dream for the []_[] going forward. We are more powerful than any small market Alabama **** town school will EVER be again. Miami is raining cash. LOL

 

[Hoosiercane3]

The moment this happens, sorry im out boys. No longer will care about my beloved canes or college football.

 

[Jonnyblaze]

As long as they can't raise scholarship limits, Miami will be okay. Plenty of good talent to go around. Biggest question is whether Miami is willing to spend more loot in the football program.. They certainly have the money.

 

[gacericardo]

The moment this happens, sorry im out boys. No longer will care about my beloved canes or college football.

That's just dumb

 

[deleted1562]

For what it's worth, I think no matter how this shakes out, we'll be fine.

This is going to create even more inequality between the powerhouses and the mid-tier schools. I think eventually it will get to the point where mid-tier schools truly can't compete and see no point in competing. They'll drop out of their conferences, and there are mid-tier schools in every conference (aside from maybe the SEC where the lives of the entire fan bases completely revolve around dat dere college football), so it will free up another major shakeup for the powerhouses to further band together.

At the end of the day, regardless of whether Miami has the money or booster support, we are The U, and we're a powerhouse media draw even when we suck. The powers that be will want us in on the action.

 

[jw410]

chicken little mindset on this board.. it's a big deal, but instead of crying like a ***** (cane4life) i'm just going to sit back continue to pay my mortgage and let the chips fall where they may.

 

[CaneFan79]

NCAA continues to prove that eventually everything will come to the surface and reveal what they really are. This surprises no one and disappoints many. If I am still following college sports in 20 years, I will be surprised.

There might not be college sports to follow by then. Marky Mark Emmert and his Funky NCAA bunch have presided over a train wreck, punishing smaller schools (READ: Miami) with lengthy, costly investigations, while being utterly oblivous to the big spenders like "Bama, O$Uck, Nike U (Oregon), LSU and the like who are making college football an unsustainable financial arms race. It won't stop after this big cutdown, it will lead to a gradual winnowing within the Power Five conferences of their less deep-pocketed members. Eventually, the TV ratings will plummett, when the public is fed the same schools playing over and over in the playoff/championship games. Over 30 years ago, Miami, and then the 1984 champions, BYU, created a drive by the big public flagships to dominate what had previously been theirs, but then taken by what they considered unworthy upstarts. They have their puppet, Emmert, at the head of the NCAA and their desires are now being fulfilled.

Look, anyone who has watched the big four pro sports in the past 30 years realizes that these leagues were faced with the same crisis of "Big" vs. "Small," i.e. Yankees/Red Sox vs. Royals/Twins. Indeed, MLB has been the slowest to address such imbalances and it has hurt their competitive balance as a result. Other leagues have instituted salary caps to retain competive balance with remarkable success. Look at San Antonio in the NBA as just one example. Without these caps, the competive balance of the NFL, NHL, and NBA would have been irreparably damaged and each league's popularity would have declined

I believe I have written on this board previously about Division 1 Athletic Department budget caps. Simply put, there needs to be a ceiling, per sport, on how much money can be spent. A school can decide how it wants to invest its limited $$ pie on coaches salaries, recruiting budgets, facilities, etc. but CANNOT exceed it. No T. Boone Pickens coming in with boatloads of cash to build a facility, no Phil Knight (who then Oregon Coach Chip Kelly referred to as the "owner" on a national radio show a few years ago) lavishing HIS program with outrageous exercise equipment. The cap would be hard, with expenditures audited INDEPENDENTLY and violaters punished severely. Failing this or something similar, the gap will grow between "the haves" and the "have nots" and college sports will cease to exist.

Minor league baseball and hockey have comparatively small followings, followings which attend their events as much for free T-shirts, goofy mascots and cheaper ticket prices as much as the competion itself. College sports rakes in the money based on the intrinsic value of the schools themselves and their alumni. The eventual competion between 20 big college football spenders in states with no NFL team (Alabama) or mostly uncompetitive ones (Ohio, Michigan and recently Texas) will result in a loss of national interest in a a game played by compensated "Student-Athletes" who are in reality, minor leaguers. Maybe O$Uck and Michigan will care, maybe 'Bama and Auburn will care when these teams play each other...The rest of the country, not so much.

Yes, it may be a sad day indeed!

 

[NVA CANE]

Lots of overreaction in this thread. This does have a big impact but lots of things will stay the same. Kids already get paid, we are already at a resource disadvantage and always have been. I don't believe much will change from this. Also other schools and conferences have to vote and come to an agreement. It's not the doom and gloom it's being made out to be.

We will be fine.

 

[Angry Ibis]

Lots of overreaction in this thread. This does have a big impact but lots of things will stay the same. Kids already get paid, we are already at a resource disadvantage and always have been. I don't believe much will change from this. Also other schools and conferences have to vote and come to an agreement. It's not the doom and gloom it's being made out to be.

We will be fine.

Agreed. Overreaction and some straight foolishness.

 

[bransuperpower]

Lol you guys forget what city we are in? most of our fan base isnt alumni. if you guys think we dont have other "Mannys" you're mistaken.

 

[Paranos]

To all those saying UM can afford to play with the big dogs within the new rules lets look at a few things:

So schools will be able to provide 4 yr scholarships to athletes now, regardless of their performance on the team, this will prevent players from being cut. Now to protect the schools I am sure the power 5 will come up with type of player inactive status. Which s fine for state schools who's instate tuition run from $3k to $12k and out state tuition run from $10k to $20k. But how many inactive spots do you think Miami can afford at $65K. Your avg SEC team cuts 5 players a year so that is roughly 20 players over 4 years you would now have to place on that inactive list paying out annually a potential $1.3 million evey year

Now lets look at cost of living stipend they are talking about for players, the range was $2k -$5k based on Federal CPI ( consumer price index) for a schools locale. Now based on that the rural schools should pay alot less than Miami. However I can guarantee the bigger schools will lobby for Out of state student exemption, since kids coming from outstate will have higher transportation costs to an from school for themselves and family. So UM will be stuck paying the max $5K to evey player while rural state schools can pick an chose based on recruiting geography. So that is 85 x $5k =$425k vs lets say a bama that would pay in the $250k range.

A few years back the ncaa tried to change the rules for non-coaching assts to be able to recruits players within the new system I can see **** near every power 5 school hiring either a steet agent or some local s. Fla coach to be "asst recruiting coordinator/ etc" that works remotely from home , cough cough south Florida. UM just hired 3 local high school coaches to various positions, so can only imagine the why not me crowd of coaches out there that their piece of the college money pie.

An now lets get to the really shady parts the unofficial visits that are supposedly unpaid/ nonreimbursed expenses by the recruit
those will practically disappear because the more opportunities you have to get a kid on campus the better your chances of landing that kid. Now the visits won't be as lavish as the official visit, but there will still some nice extra's which won't or can't match. Because based on UM proximity to kids UM couldn't paying for all the potential kids to come visit campus. An then when you start telling two or three dozen kids at a time who at the moment aren't a recruiting priority your not going to pay for them to come across town for visit and free meal ( just because) oh what a pandora's box that will be.

So lets not jump for joy over this autonomy ruling just yet, the devil is always in the details.

 

[M3N]

Is paranoid serious ....

Or na?

 

[Paranos]

Is paranoid serious ....

Or na?

Are you a the business end of a donkey? I think so, then there is your answer. How is it you always manage to to make a decent thread go left? This is a serious topic can you try and keep your bull crap to yourself.

Go Canes

 

[252cane]

Yall in this thread dont know what the **** you talking about.

You still are not going to be able to pay recruits or players.

There are only about 5 or 6 things the power 5 conferences will be able to change for the confrences and the rest they have to vote on with the ncaa and the smaller schools.

One of the things that would be good for us is having control of how big you want your coaching staff.

I can tell you a lot of sfla high school coaches will be hired to help land the elite prospects. Also we would be able to have more x and o coaches on staff.

 

[Billy D Williams]

Have to wait to see how the conferences set the regulations. Since scholie numbers will still remain, football factory schools will still probably get the majority of same athletes they getting today. Not surprised by the decision since the Supreme Court essentially did the same thing to our government, handed it over to the most wealthy and powerful. All that comes of this will not be as good for them as they think. The player autonomy will add an element or special requests they just aren't gonna like.

 

[CANE4LIFE]

The bottom line is this is almost certainly going to hurt UM more than help it. This is exactly what the big state football factories have been trying to do for a long time. This will end "parity" in Division 1, which allows a smaller program to rise up and actually compete with the big boys now and then.

This is going to allow the big programs to run wild on the recruiting trail, hire an army of "coaches", street agents, funnel money to players families, take recruiting trips to the absolute extreme with fleets of private Jets provided by boosters, etc.

NO ONE is saying UM is going to fold the program, or will never win again. Its just going to be that much harder to compete with the massive amounts of cash the big football factories are going to be throwing around.

There is a reason the big programs wanted to do this. And it wasn't to make the game MORE Fair. LOL

And they also just cut the pool of "nay sayers" in CFB that wanted to limit the arms race, by more than half. I foree EASILY half the teams in the Big Five now supporting a massive expansion of spending and loosening of all sorts of rules. And what they cant ram through now, they can probably just stack the deck. SEC and Big 12 want to open the flood gates more? ACC standing in their way? Threaten the ACC with a 4 team playoff locked in among the SEC, B12, B10, and PAC. Then have ESPN squeeze the ACC from the other end. Threaten to raid the ACC for Clemson, FSU and maybe even Miami, which will effectively relegate the ACC out of the Big 5.

The ACC will cave in. They already have to a large extent. The ACC is just happy to have been included in the Big 5. Worst case, the Big 12 and SEC can just expand again, beef up their numbers, until the get the votes to do what they want to do.

I don't think the "sky is falling". But I think the landscape is going to be that much harder for us. This is going to lead to a return to a lot of excesses and out of control recruiting arms race. Not to mention the armies of coaches that some programs are going to hire.

 

[RattlerCane]

The NCAA sucks, they pocket all of the money every year and do nothing really but penalize teams for little things and look the other way for big things with some of there big money givers. They had to do this because the NCAA was worried about another association coming along and taking the Power 5 schools away from the NCAA or the Power 5 deciding to create their own association.