NCAA votes to allow Power-5 conferences autonomy

[deleted1562]

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...d-votes-allow-autonomy-five-power-conferences

So... how does this affect us?

Cliffs:

The NCAA Division I board of directors on Thursday voted 16-2 to allow the schools in the top five conferences to write many of their own rules. The autonomy measures -- which the power conferences had all but demanded -- will permit those leagues to decide on things such as cost-of-attendance stipends and insurance benefits for players, staff sizes, recruiting rules and mandatory hours spent on individual sports.

Other new rules the biggest conferences could enact include loosened restrictions involving contact between players and agents, letting players pursue outside paid career opportunities, and covering expenses for players' families to attend postseason games. Areas that will not fall under the autonomy umbrella include postseason tournaments, transfer policies, scholarship limits, signing day and rules governing on-field play.

More in-depth writeup: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/08/06/sports/ncaa-autonomy-translation.html?_r=0

 

[CANE4LIFE]

This is going to be a mess. SEC is going to push for a free for all, and its going to become a race to the bottom of leagues trying to keep up with the football factories.

We are going to be at a HUGE disadvantage here. ACC is the LEAST likely of these conferences that are going to allow a cesspool free for all. And if SEC and Big 10 Big 12 programs can basically say schools can have as many coaches as they want, they are going to have staffs in the 100s in some places. NO WAY can programs like UM compete with that.

 

[Dingaan1828]

This could be the start of the end of CFB as we have come to know it. Free for all for big spenders.

 

[oduke1]

The talent will always be in our backyard and the program is stepping up the facilities arms race.

 

[CANE4LIFE]

The talent will always be in our backyard and the program is stepping up the facilities arms race.

The problem is, this has the very likely possibility of taking that arms race to a whole new level. One that a program like UM simply cannot keep up with. As it is, the schools in the ACC are not going to be as aggressive in wanting to lower standards and go hog wild to keep up with the giant state football factories of the SEC and Big 12. I expect programs like Texas, LSU, Bama, TAMU, Oklahoma, OkSt. Auburn, to just go hog wild with HS kids in Lear Jets with hookers and Dom Perignon Champagne. After all, they will pretty much get to dictate most recruiting rules except scholie numbers and signing day.

And it is in the interest of the big programs, to take the gloves off when it comes to hiring tons of coaches. Imagine the resources that programs like Texas and Bama have to hire a ton of assistants for every freaking position. UM cannot do that. Texas can build a freaking office building next to their AD and staff it with nothing but assistant coaches. This is going to really hurt the ability of smaller schools to keep up.

 

[westcoastcanes]

Title 9 save us! hopefully the Bama and LSU's don't want to spend the scratch on the ladies volleyball teams.


Or would this not apply?

 

[valid]

I'd like to get more clarity with how this changes the current recruiting rules. On the surface, this does not look good for us and looks great for schools with deep pockets.

 

[rudebuddha]

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...d-votes-allow-autonomy-five-power-conferences

So... how does this affect us?

Cliffs:

The NCAA Division I board of directors on Thursday voted 16-2 to allow the schools in the top five conferences to write many of their own rules. The autonomy measures -- which the power conferences had all but demanded -- will permit those leagues to decide on things such as cost-of-attendance stipends and insurance benefits for players, staff sizes, recruiting rules and mandatory hours spent on individual sports.

Other new rules the biggest conferences could enact include loosened restrictions involving contact between players and agents, letting players pursue outside paid career opportunities, and covering expenses for players' families to attend postseason games. Areas that will not fall under the autonomy umbrella include postseason tournaments, transfer policies, scholarship limits, signing day and rules governing on-field play.

More in-depth writeup: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/08/06/sports/ncaa-autonomy-translation.html?_r=0

Going to crush the smaller private schools in the big conferences.

Teams like Vanderbilt, Duke, Boston College, Wake Forest and, yes, Miami will not be able to financially compete with the additional, undisclosed money that will be going to entice recruits, above and beyond the maximum allowable stipend.

 

[oduke1]

We have plenty of money for the recruiting game. I hear you on the coaches. Big time state programs will always have that $$$$$ payroll. Look at Clemson.

I think we will be fine, just need to coach our studs up.

 

[Kirijax]

NCAA continues to prove that eventually everything will come to the surface and reveal what they really are. This surprises no one and disappoints many. If I am still following college sports in 20 years, I will be surprised.

 

[Gatorhater]

Not liking being the poorest school in the group. However, our competitors are paying $$$ under the table anyway, so maybe we come out better if more is above board. Certainly not in our favor but Title Nine might help us out.

 

[CANE4LIFE]

This will hurt us in recruiting too. What it means is that schools like Texas will be going back to flying recruits around on fleets of luxury Lear Jets owned by rich boosters and having everything under the sun lavished on them.

Remember, our 'out of control" booster was buying dudes food at Benihana. That is nothing compared to the money those oil Tycoons in Texas, Oklahoma and Louisiana throw around.

 

[luke137]

We need to hurry up and win a Nat'l....just for old times sake (in Tessio's voice!)

 

[rudebuddha]

We have plenty of money for the recruiting game. I hear you on the coaches. Big time state programs will always have that $$$$$ payroll. Look at Clemson.

I think we will be fine, just need to coach our studs up.

You are kidding right?

It wasn't until recently that we had facilities that would have made The University of Hawaii look like the New England Patriots.

You young fans don't seem to truly understand how incredible it was for us to win 5 NC's during a time when paying players was the norm.

The little private school was never supposed to do it.
You mentioned Clemson. They are in the south.
Name me a private non southern school that has ever won a NC, that isn't Notre Dame and Southern Cal.

The reason the Southern schools and big state schools have always had the advantage is that their alumni are fiercely loyal.
When you have huge enrollments every year the odds are pretty good that one or two of your graduates will strike it rich and become a big time under the table booster.

Up until relatively recently, Miami was the place New Englanders sent their Fuuck up kids to get some kind of education, when even big bribes wouldn't get them admittance to the Ivy's.
Fuuck ups do not generally become hugely successful on their own, and even if they did there was no football legacy at Miami until 1983.

Our two most recent Sugar Daddy's got us the harshest penalties this side of the Death Penalty.
We don't have the alumni financial base to compete with the hundred year tradition of big oil Texas boosters, or old money Southern boosters, rich entertainment graduates of Southern Cal, or Catholics who would sell their kid to help Notre Dame.

We had a rapper and a con man.

This new ruling signals the end of the NCAA. In the near future there will be some governing body presided over by the Big 5 conference representatives.

The big question for Miami is will we be able to afford to actually dole out 5-10K a year to 85 scholarship football players?
Right now we can't come close to matching a top 20 coach's salary.
What happens if the new power 5 decide to up scholarships to 125 a year, can we afford that.

Anybody who says, "sure, we can financially compete with the likes of Texas, Bama, Southern Cal, Notre Dame," is delusional.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

I'm surprised this thread isn't at 42 pages already and pinned to the top of the board. This is major news....will change the game as we know it.

 

[CANE4LIFE]

I'm surprised this thread isn't at 42 pages already and pinned to the top of the board. This is major news....will change the game as we know it.

Me too. Quite stunned actually. People don't seem to realize how big of an issue this is.

 

[CANE4LIFE]

We have plenty of money for the recruiting game. I hear you on the coaches. Big time state programs will always have that $$$$$ payroll. Look at Clemson.

I think we will be fine, just need to coach our studs up.

You are kidding right?

It wasn't until recently that we had facilities that would have made The University of Hawaii look like the New England Patriots.

You young fans don't seem to truly understand how incredible it was for us to win 5 NC's during a time when paying players was the norm.

The little private school was never supposed to do it.
You mentioned Clemson. They are in the south.
Name me a private non southern school that has ever won a NC, that isn't Notre Dame and Southern Cal.

The reason the Southern schools and big state schools have always had the advantage is that their alumni are fiercely loyal.
When you have huge enrollments every year the odds are pretty good that one or two of your graduates will strike it rich and become a big time under the table booster.

Up until relatively recently, Miami was the place New Englanders sent their Fuuck up kids to get some kind of education, when even big bribes wouldn't get them admittance to the Ivy's.
Fuuck ups do not generally become hugely successful on their own, and even if they did there was no football legacy at Miami until 1983.

Our two most recent Sugar Daddy's got us the harshest penalties this side of the Death Penalty.
We don't have the alumni financial base to compete with the hundred year tradition of big oil Texas boosters, or old money Southern boosters, rich entertainment graduates of Southern Cal, or Catholics who would sell their kid to help Notre Dame.

We had a rapper and a con man.

This new ruling signals the end of the NCAA. In the near future there will be some governing body presided over by the Big 5 conference representatives.

The big question for Miami is will we be able to afford to actually dole out 5-10K a year to 85 scholarship football players?
Right now we can't come close to matching a top 20 coach's salary.
What happens if the new power 5 decide to up scholarships to 125 a year, can we afford that.

Anybody who says, "sure, we can financially compete with the likes of Texas, Bama, Southern Cal, Notre Dame," is delusional.

Pretty much most of this. Except the scholarships up to 125. In this change, the NCAA still keeps control of the total number of Scholies. The schools cant change those.

But the money issue is very significant, and people here are totally delusional. Our staff is in the bottom half of the ACC salaries already. This is only going to make things tougher for us.

 

[Boarcane]

We have plenty of money for the recruiting game. I hear you on the coaches. Big time state programs will always have that $$$$$ payroll. Look at Clemson.

I think we will be fine, just need to coach our studs up.

You are kidding right?

It wasn't until recently that we had facilities that would have made The University of Hawaii look like the New England Patriots.

You young fans don't seem to truly understand how incredible it was for us to win 5 NC's during a time when paying players was the norm.

The little private school was never supposed to do it.
You mentioned Clemson. They are in the south.
Name me a private non southern school that has ever won a NC, that isn't Notre Dame and Southern Cal.

The reason the Southern schools and big state schools have always had the advantage is that their alumni are fiercely loyal.
When you have huge enrollments every year the odds are pretty good that one or two of your graduates will strike it rich and become a big time under the table booster.

Up until relatively recently, Miami was the place New Englanders sent their Fuuck up kids to get some kind of education, when even big bribes wouldn't get them admittance to the Ivy's.
Fuuck ups do not generally become hugely successful on their own, and even if they did there was no football legacy at Miami until 1983.

Our two most recent Sugar Daddy's got us the harshest penalties this side of the Death Penalty.
We don't have the alumni financial base to compete with the hundred year tradition of big oil Texas boosters, or old money Southern boosters, rich entertainment graduates of Southern Cal, or Catholics who would sell their kid to help Notre Dame.

We had a rapper and a con man.

This new ruling signals the end of the NCAA. In the near future there will be some governing body presided over by the Big 5 conference representatives.

The big question for Miami is will we be able to afford to actually dole out 5-10K a year to 85 scholarship football players?
Right now we can't come close to matching a top 20 coach's salary.
What happens if the new power 5 decide to up scholarships to 125 a year, can we afford that.

Anybody who says, "sure, we can financially compete with the likes of Texas, Bama, Southern Cal, Notre Dame," is delusional.

A few things
1) Big market teams will dominate small market teams. Miami is a big market fwiw.
The field just changed IN MIAMI's favor. Schools in large TV markets, with large national fan bases will have greater value to recruit's and agents than anything a small market team can compete with.
2) Forget everything you know about alumni and its impact on revenue. It is now about brand and marketability. Miami's Brand is better and more marketable than the majority of schools in the power 5.
GREAT DAY TO BE A FAN OF THE MIAMI HURRICANES FOOTBALL PROGRAM
one last note:no state income tax in the state of Florida.

 

[rudebuddha]

We have plenty of money for the recruiting game. I hear you on the coaches. Big time state programs will always have that $$$$$ payroll. Look at Clemson.

I think we will be fine, just need to coach our studs up.

You are kidding right?

It wasn't until recently that we had facilities that would have made The University of Hawaii look like the New England Patriots.

You young fans don't seem to truly understand how incredible it was for us to win 5 NC's during a time when paying players was the norm.

The little private school was never supposed to do it.
You mentioned Clemson. They are in the south.
Name me a private non southern school that has ever won a NC, that isn't Notre Dame and Southern Cal.

The reason the Southern schools and big state schools have always had the advantage is that their alumni are fiercely loyal.
When you have huge enrollments every year the odds are pretty good that one or two of your graduates will strike it rich and become a big time under the table booster.

Up until relatively recently, Miami was the place New Englanders sent their Fuuck up kids to get some kind of education, when even big bribes wouldn't get them admittance to the Ivy's.
Fuuck ups do not generally become hugely successful on their own, and even if they did there was no football legacy at Miami until 1983.

Our two most recent Sugar Daddy's got us the harshest penalties this side of the Death Penalty.
We don't have the alumni financial base to compete with the hundred year tradition of big oil Texas boosters, or old money Southern boosters, rich entertainment graduates of Southern Cal, or Catholics who would sell their kid to help Notre Dame.

We had a rapper and a con man.

This new ruling signals the end of the NCAA. In the near future there will be some governing body presided over by the Big 5 conference representatives.

The big question for Miami is will we be able to afford to actually dole out 5-10K a year to 85 scholarship football players?
Right now we can't come close to matching a top 20 coach's salary.
What happens if the new power 5 decide to up scholarships to 125 a year, can we afford that.

Anybody who says, "sure, we can financially compete with the likes of Texas, Bama, Southern Cal, Notre Dame," is delusional.

Pretty much most of this. Except the scholarships up to 125. In this change, the NCAA still keeps control of the total number of Scholies. The schools cant change those.

But the money issue is very significant, and people here are totally delusional. Our staff is in the bottom half of the ACC salaries already. This is only going to make things tougher for us.

The NCAA has been kicked in the balls.
Very soon, the big 5 conferences will just cut their balls off completely.

Think about it. Throughout the O'Bannon trial the NCAA has been extolling the virtues of the amateur student athlete, now they've completely reversed their position in a desperate attempt to assuage their golden geese.

Basically the power of college football is now in the hands of the big 5 conferences, and they can do whatever they please.

Won't be long until the 5 conferences realize they don't need the NCAA at all.

 

[CANE4LIFE]

We have plenty of money for the recruiting game. I hear you on the coaches. Big time state programs will always have that $$$$$ payroll. Look at Clemson.

I think we will be fine, just need to coach our studs up.

You are kidding right?

It wasn't until recently that we had facilities that would have made The University of Hawaii look like the New England Patriots.

You young fans don't seem to truly understand how incredible it was for us to win 5 NC's during a time when paying players was the norm.

The little private school was never supposed to do it.
You mentioned Clemson. They are in the south.
Name me a private non southern school that has ever won a NC, that isn't Notre Dame and Southern Cal.

The reason the Southern schools and big state schools have always had the advantage is that their alumni are fiercely loyal.
When you have huge enrollments every year the odds are pretty good that one or two of your graduates will strike it rich and become a big time under the table booster.

Up until relatively recently, Miami was the place New Englanders sent their Fuuck up kids to get some kind of education, when even big bribes wouldn't get them admittance to the Ivy's.
Fuuck ups do not generally become hugely successful on their own, and even if they did there was no football legacy at Miami until 1983.

Our two most recent Sugar Daddy's got us the harshest penalties this side of the Death Penalty.
We don't have the alumni financial base to compete with the hundred year tradition of big oil Texas boosters, or old money Southern boosters, rich entertainment graduates of Southern Cal, or Catholics who would sell their kid to help Notre Dame.

We had a rapper and a con man.

This new ruling signals the end of the NCAA. In the near future there will be some governing body presided over by the Big 5 conference representatives.

The big question for Miami is will we be able to afford to actually dole out 5-10K a year to 85 scholarship football players?
Right now we can't come close to matching a top 20 coach's salary.
What happens if the new power 5 decide to up scholarships to 125 a year, can we afford that.

Anybody who says, "sure, we can financially compete with the likes of Texas, Bama, Southern Cal, Notre Dame," is delusional.

A few things
1) Big market teams will dominate small market teams. Miami is a big market fwiw.
The field just changed IN MIAMI's favor. Schools in large TV markets, with large national fan bases will have greater value to recruit's and agents than anything a small market team can compete with.
2) Forget everything you know about alumni and its impact on revenue. It is now about brand and marketability. Miami's Brand is better and more marketable than the majority of schools in the power 5.
GREAT DAY TO BE A FAN OF THE MIAMI HURRICANES FOOTBALL PROGRAM
one last note:no state income tax in the state of Florida.

The ACC TV contract is shared among all the schools in the conference. So how is this going to change that? The only thing this does is allows the new "upper crust" of Division I, to set its own rules, and the bigger programs are going to look to open up the flood gates allowing them to spend like drunken sailors beefing up their programs. UM does not have that kind of money. The TV contract/market issue is one for the ACC/ESPN contract, but all that revenue is shared throughout the conference. I don't see how anything in this new arrangement benefits UM.