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Since it now appears the NCAA is digging in an a ridiculous attempt to save some face I think it's time to explore UM's options.

How susceptible is the NCAA to political pressure? I am sure the University will now work the back channels to leverage whatever influence it has, I was just wondering if the NCAA is vulnerable here. Could Senators/Congressman apply further pressure to the NCAA? Is there a tax exemption, or some other vulnerable status?
 
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BigCaneAl said:
Since it now appears the NCAA is digging in an a ridiculous attempt to save some face I think it's time to explore UM's options.

How susceptible is the NCAA to political pressure? I am sure the University will now work the back channels to leverage whatever influence it has, I was just wondering if the NCAA is vulnerable here. Could Senators/Congressman apply further pressure to the NCAA? Is there a tax exemption, or some other vulnerable status?
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There is a reason the SEC gets away with whatever it wants to.

And yet, UM isn't Alabama.
 
If it is a nonprofit, then there could be a judicial dissolution or a judge could probably axe the entire board and replace it.

That's the nuke option on nonprofits.

Problem is that it probably operates as a MUTUAL benefit nonprofit rather than PUBLIC benefit. Gov't isn't going to get involved in one of those (that's like fcking with the Freemasons and country clubs and sht).

Gov't COULD fck with its nonprofit status still, but best they stay out of it and let the members do the job of GOOD MEMBERS.
 
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Political pressure? None.

UM is still going to get hit with sanctions. And with all due respect to Donna Shalala, for the last two years all we heard from her were crickets. Now she talks. I wish she would've a year ago as we all know what this was turning into then. An attack toward UM!
 
MIA42178 said:
If it is a nonprofit, then there could be a judicial dissolution or a judge could probably axe the entire board and replace it.

That's the nuke option on nonprofits.

Problem is that it probably operates as a MUTUAL benefit nonprofit rather than PUBLIC benefit. Gov't isn't going to get involved in one of those (that's like fcking with the Freemasons and country clubs and sht).

Gov't COULD fck with its nonprofit status still, but best they stay out of it and let the members do the job of GOOD MEMBERS.
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Does it make a difference that they have oversight over hundreds of public university's that use public monies to operate?
 
BigCaneAl said:
MIA42178 said:
If it is a nonprofit, then there could be a judicial dissolution or a judge could probably axe the entire board and replace it.

That's the nuke option on nonprofits.

Problem is that it probably operates as a MUTUAL benefit nonprofit rather than PUBLIC benefit. Gov't isn't going to get involved in one of those (that's like fcking with the Freemasons and country clubs and sht).

Gov't COULD fck with its nonprofit status still, but best they stay out of it and let the members do the job of GOOD MEMBERS.
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Does it make a difference that they have oversight over hundreds of public university's that use public monies to operate?
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That's where the Members WOULD be getting involved. . . so, yes. But Miami isn't FSU or UF in that regard. THOSE 2 Members have far more bargaining power. And no way any Member/State unilaterally wdraws its membership.

The conferences themselves (also more than likely mutual benefit nonprofits . . . and made up of 10 to 15 NCAA members a piece) need to be doing the talking here. They're the only entities with enough bargaining power to do anything. They consist of large numbers of members AND the conferences, if they remove their heads from their own ******** and stop competing with one another for a moment, can replace the NCAA.
 
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The ammo is out there should someone choose to use it, ammo that could be used to severely damage the NCAA. By their own admissions they are corrupt.

The likelihood of them being pressured politically aside, those that are so certain Miami still gets hammered, what makes you think that way when all evidence is to the contrary? Plenty of damage and sanctions have already occurred and are in place. What more will happen, now that even the media is on our side with the literal mountain of evidence at our disposal?
 
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Dont minimize Donna Shalala and her connections with the government . This was a federal case the NCAA hijacked .Thats where the real pressure will come from.
 
riceman said:
The ammo is out there should someone choose to use it, ammo that could be used to severely damage the NCAA. By their own admissions they are corrupt.

The likelihood of them being pressured politically aside, those that are so certain Miami still gets hammered, what makes you think that way when all evidence is to the contrary? Plenty of damage and sanctions have already occurred and are in place. What more will happen, now that even the media is on our side with the literal mountain of evidence at our disposal?
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I just don't think any executive or legislative organization is ever going to get involved in this.
IMHO, Miami WILL win if it goes through the judicial system though. With what has come out so far, Miami's attorneys are licking their chops to sue these fckers into Bolivian.
 
561Cane said:
Political pressure? None.

UM is still going to get hit with sanctions. And with all due respect to Donna Shalala, for the last two years all we heard from her were crickets. Now she talks. I wish she would've a year ago as we all know what this was turning into then. An attack toward UM!
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If Donna releases that statement before the **** from the Ringling Bros. comes out she wouldve been perceived as defiant and Miami non-compliant or uncoopertive.
 
sabrose said:
Dont minimize Donna Shalala and her connections with the government . This was a federal case the NCAA hijacked .Thats where the real pressure will come from.
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I don't think anyone is minimizing her connections. But it isn't necessary. This is like someone admitting to murder, being offered 25, and saying, "fck it, let's roll the dice"
 
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Donna should have spoke up along time ago. But I guess she couldn't, because she was part of the problem. Her and Kirby Hocutt allowed that piece of **** to run amuck through the program, depspite warnings from Randy Shannon they ignored him. Now its time that she speaks up and fix this mess she contributed into getting us in!
 
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Donna should have spoke up along time ago. But I guess she couldn't, because she was part of the problem. Her and Kirby Hocutt allowed that piece of **** to run amuck through the program, depspite warnings from Randy Shannon they ignored him. Now its time that she speaks up and fix this mess she contributed into getting us in!
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Stop typing. You epitomize the "dumbass" part of our fanbase.

Donna's a politician and like any good politician (forgot what she actually did she made it to a cabinet level position) she waited for her enemy to hang themselves while gathering ammo.

The amount of shortsighted drivel in your post is ASTOUNDING.
 
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561Cane said:
Political pressure? None.

UM is still going to get hit with sanctions. And with all due respect to Donna Shalala, for the last two years all we heard from her were crickets. Now she talks. I wish she would've a year ago as we all know what this was turning into then. An attack toward UM!
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561..I understand your frustration, but we had no leverage the past 2 years for Donna to just fly off at the handle with damaging public statements. She played it as she could with the hand she was dealt.... "you catch more flies with honey" ... "keep your friends close and your enemies closer". She did what she could to help put us in the best position to minimize the damage and foreseeable sanctions. Now that the NCAA has stepped on their diks, she has some leverage and can put some public and private pressure on the situation. But to do it before this mess would have only hurt our situation more and given the NCAA more oxygen.
 
Why don't we just say no to the NCAA? They aren't in control of any games going forward and Miami is a private institution and we can give out scholarships to whomever we choose. Now I know this would never actually happen but just for fun what would happen if Miami just said **** you NCAA we aren't taking any penalties.
 
Palm Harbor Cane said:
Now the name calling from one dumbass to another tell me one statement in my post that is false.
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Saying Donna should have spoken up first and that she was involved with Shapiro. She was handed a check. That doesn't imply involvement. Hocunt is on a completely different level.

Again your shortsightedness is astounding.
 
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Stop talking about the Randy Shannon warnings which are largely fictional. Hocutt denies any warnings Shannon didn't tell Shalala, the Board of Trustees or the Provost and worst of all apparently didn't tell his own assistant coaches who became buddy buddy with Shapiro. IF Shannon couldn't' control his own staff who would believe him?
 
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