NCAA Modern Slave Owners

[FullyERicht]

Who the **** would watch minor league football.

If the NFL created a minor league system, which they then drafted out of, it would be a massive success.

They could do it in the offseason. It would attract most of the elite recruits bc they'd get paid to play, and not have to go to school.

The NFL is stupid NOT to create a small minor league system, where the teams are independent of the big league clubs. It'd be more like a development league, where after 3 years they enter the draft. Would be amazing and would return the NCAA to what it's SUPPOSED TO BE.[/
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NFL Europe anyone? Seriously name a popular minor league sport. College athletics are successful due to students, alums, and fans. Take out the first 2, and then struggle to build a fan base.

College football is popular bc of branding.

The problem with other minor leagues is they are a collection of not good enough for the big leagues guys.

THIS would be a collection of the best of the best high school players waiting to be ALLOWED into the NFL, where most would be drafted. If the best players from every top team in college were in a league together, it would be different than for example the NBA D-league where it's a collection of guys who can't and won't ever make a difference in the NBA.

 

[SpikeUM]

This is not an easy topic. While I agree that there are many guilty parties (TV, the NCAA, etc.), the STUDENT athlete also in effect gets PAID $60K a year TAX FREE to pay for his Miami tuition and room and board. Do not lose sight of that fact.

 

[FullyERicht]

If every year the top 250 kids in HS went to a development league, it would create a dramatic shift in college football. But while the overall skill of the players would be less, the parity would increase ten fold.

You would also eliminate the idea that kids aren't given an opportunity to earn money for their efforts. They'd have a paying option (NFLD), and an internship (NCAA). Just like everyone else.

You'd have football year round, AND a better way for NFL teams to evaluate players as the parity in both the NCAA and NFLD would allow them to see who truly shines.

You'd eliminate college teams buying players: 1) nobody would know which three stars are better than which, and it wouldn't be worth it to spend for uncertainties compared to the slam dunk 5 stars 2) the NFL would have a vested interest in maintaining their product, and would be an impartial outside watchdog who would call programs out for illegally stealing their product 3) the NFL could openly pay kids, and not just a one time car or house; yearly salary.

It would be a big big win for everyone except the SEC and a few other big money crooked programs.

 

[SFbayCane]

This is not an easy topic. While I agree that there are many guilty parties (TV, the NCAA, etc.), the STUDENT athlete also in effect gets PAID $60K a year TAX FREE to pay for his Miami tuition and room and board. Do not lose sight of that fact.

The reality is that those who espouse your take above are the ones who've lost sight. You conveniently use one of the most expensive private universities in D1 to illustrate your point. Most college football players play for state run universities where the costs are a fraction of what UM charges. Yet we NEVER see mention of the revenue generated by the INDIVIDUAL PLAYER (not the sport as a whole). Again, pay attention to the Ed O'bannon law suit. The NCAA's criminally unethical veil is about to be pulled off.

I continue to use the Michael jordan example. The #23 UNC jersey is still a huge seller. Michael Jordan receives ZERO compensation from all of those jersey sales over the decades. Loooong after Jordan received his college degree, which prolly cost $7000 when he was in school, the NCAA is collecting royalties on MJ's jersey, due in large part to his performance in the NBA. Spike, I know you're sharp enough to understand the criminality in this.

 

[CaneWasher]

This is not an easy topic. While I agree that there are many guilty parties (TV, the NCAA, etc.), the STUDENT athlete also in effect gets PAID $60K a year TAX FREE to pay for his Miami tuition and room and board. Do not lose sight of that fact.

The reality is that those who espouse your take above are the ones who've lost sight. You conveniently use one of the most expensive private universities in D1 to illustrate your point. Most college football players play for state run universities where the costs are a fraction of what UM charges. Yet we NEVER see mention of the revenue generated by the INDIVIDUAL PLAYER (not the sport as a whole). Again, pay attention to the Ed O'bannon law suit. The NCAA's criminally unethical veil is about to be pulled off.

I continue to use the Michael jordan example. The #23 UNC jersey is still a huge seller. Michael Jordan receives ZERO compensation from all of those jersey sales over the decades. Loooong after Jordan received his college degree, which prolly cost $7000 when he was in school, the NCAA is collecting royalties on MJ's jersey, due in large part to his performance in the NBA. Spike, I know you're sharp enough to understand the criminality in this.

Whoa, wait a second. You are complaining about that poster using Miami as a bad example? Well you conveniently talk about the future NFL athlete who comes from a poor background and can't make any money when the reality is that 99% of all NCAA athletes don't fit that description. You're trying to change the system for a few greedy black kids.

 

[SFbayCane]

This is not an easy topic. While I agree that there are many guilty parties (TV, the NCAA, etc.), the STUDENT athlete also in effect gets PAID $60K a year TAX FREE to pay for his Miami tuition and room and board. Do not lose sight of that fact.

The reality is that those who espouse your take above are the ones who've lost sight. You conveniently use one of the most expensive private universities in D1 to illustrate your point. Most college football players play for state run universities where the costs are a fraction of what UM charges. Yet we NEVER see mention of the revenue generated by the INDIVIDUAL PLAYER (not the sport as a whole). Again, pay attention to the Ed O'bannon law suit. The NCAA's criminally unethical veil is about to be pulled off.

I continue to use the Michael jordan example. The #23 UNC jersey is still a huge seller. Michael Jordan receives ZERO compensation from all of those jersey sales over the decades. Loooong after Jordan received his college degree, which prolly cost $7000 when he was in school, the NCAA is collecting royalties on MJ's jersey, due in large part to his performance in the NBA. Spike, I know you're sharp enough to understand the criminality in this.

Whoa, wait a second. You are complaining about that poster using Miami as a bad example? Well you conveniently talk about the future NFL athlete who comes from a poor background and can't make any money when the reality is that 99% of all NCAA athletes don't fit that description. You're trying to change the system for a few greedy black kids.

When and where did I do this?

 

[CaneWasher]

This is not an easy topic. While I agree that there are many guilty parties (TV, the NCAA, etc.), the STUDENT athlete also in effect gets PAID $60K a year TAX FREE to pay for his Miami tuition and room and board. Do not lose sight of that fact.

The reality is that those who espouse your take above are the ones who've lost sight. You conveniently use one of the most expensive private universities in D1 to illustrate your point. Most college football players play for state run universities where the costs are a fraction of what UM charges. Yet we NEVER see mention of the revenue generated by the INDIVIDUAL PLAYER (not the sport as a whole). Again, pay attention to the Ed O'bannon law suit. The NCAA's criminally unethical veil is about to be pulled off.

I continue to use the Michael jordan example. The #23 UNC jersey is still a huge seller. Michael Jordan receives ZERO compensation from all of those jersey sales over the decades. Loooong after Jordan received his college degree, which prolly cost $7000 when he was in school, the NCAA is collecting royalties on MJ's jersey, due in large part to his performance in the NBA. Spike, I know you're sharp enough to understand the criminality in this.

Whoa, wait a second. You are complaining about that poster using Miami as a bad example? Well you conveniently talk about the future NFL athlete who comes from a poor background and can't make any money when the reality is that 99% of all NCAA athletes don't fit that description. You're trying to change the system for a few greedy black kids.

When and where did I do this?

In your first post in this thread. You focus on the high-profile athlete, which happens to make up .05% of the NCAA student-athlete population.

 

[Fzac75]

The OP has a valid argument, is the use of slavery perhaps too harsh? Maybe, but the fact remains the lack of rights a student athlete has is criminal. And it gets clouded and buried under the guise of "amateur athletics" and "student athletes". This is a business, as much and as big as the NFL, there is no academic integrity when it comes to college football and basketball.

As for this talk of the NFL would be smart or use of a minor league system is ludicrous, understand the NFL is in bed with the NCAA. Why? Simple business, without dipping into their net profits they are given a free minor league system, which is reinforced by their standard of eligible players needing to be 3 years removed from high school. When you consider the fact that the NFL has tried a minor league, developmental type system before and failed and lost money, they would be stupid to change the status quo. In essence they have a free minor league system, cost them nothing and with their prerequisite 3 year rule, high school athletes are essentially forced to go the college route.

Are there benefits to the student athlete? Absolutely, free room and board, a free education if they so choose to take advantage of it. But in the end the net profits of the school far outweigh the net profit for the players for which we go pay to see play. Add in the fact that they do not have the freedom to work after the season, they do not have the freedom to switch schools, yet a school does have the right to remove their scholarship, a coach does have the freedom to leave without sacrificing a year of eligibility, the schools have the right (for now) to profit from an individual players likeness. The set up of college sports is grossly unfair to the individual.

 

[CaneWasher]

But in the end the net profits of the school far outweigh the net profit for the players for which we go pay to see play.

This is where you blew it. Most schools break even or lose money on athletics. This is common knowledge.

 

[Fzac75]

But in the end the net profits of the school far outweigh the net profit for the players for which we go pay to see play.

This is where you blew it. Most schools break even or lose money on athletics. This is common knowledge.

I should have clarified, my point was on football and basketball, which the schools use to fund other athletics, not to mention the other tangible benefits, i.e. increase in exposure, admissions.

 

[CaneWasher]

But in the end the net profits of the school far outweigh the net profit for the players for which we go pay to see play.

This is where you blew it. Most schools break even or lose money on athletics. This is common knowledge.

I should have clarified, my point was on football and basketball, which the schools use to fund other athletics, not to mention the other tangible benefits, i.e. increase in exposure, admissions.

And when you consider that schools use those funds to finance all of the other sports, the question becomes: "where do you get the money to compensate players?" Because if your name is not Ohio State, Texas, or Florida, having to pay players will bankrupt athletic departments.

 

[Fzac75]

No what it will do is force schools to treat is as the business that it is, and doing so you then you have to make the cold hard decisions in business and cut programs that have you in the red.

The real issue here is the lie that is college football and basketball. It is a business, I love UM, but I don't fool myself into seeing this as I see any other sporting event I support, as a business. This is the dirty secret that they don't want you to see it as, the pomp and circumstance of college life, when it reality it is a business. I understand that these sports are the life blood for non revenue generating sports, but let's call this for what it is.

 

[CaneWasher]

No what it will do is force schools to treat is as the business that it is, and doing so you then you have to make the cold hard decisions in business and cut programs that have you in the red.

The real issue here is the lie that is college football and basketball. It is a business, I love UM, but I don't fool myself into seeing this as I see any other sporting event I support, as a business. This is the dirty secret that they don't want you to see it as, the pomp and circumstance of college life, when it reality it is a business. I understand that these sports are the life blood for non revenue generating sports, but let's call this for what it is.

Well, it won't force them to do anything, because they are the one's who are choosing not to pay players. The NCAA can't enforce anything without its members being on board. And when this was brought before the members it saw such overwhelming resistance that the whole idea was scrapped.

Again, people have to stop looking at the top revenue schools and consider that there are 1,200 member schools, 1,190 of which have no interest in paying players.

 

[BigDikCane]

trust me the good athletes get paid...