Narduzzi steals commit from Urban

[mossmadness]

Your ability to bring in talent is a largely a direct result of your location. Look at the landscape of college football right now. There are like 2 exceptions to that. A couple of northern schools which lock down their state and are able to win out of state recruiting battles for elite talent. Everybody else, Cali and the South.
And what schools have long term success with 2 or 3 star players? Especially 2 or 3 star players that aren't located in huge talent areas? Yeah, you might be able to take a team like Baylor, give them maybe the greatest offensive mind in the last 40 years, and put them in an area where there is SO much talent, that you can't scout them all. Some are going to fall through the cracks. But even that isn't a long term solution. Baylor and TCU now bring in top 20 classes, as they have to for long term success. But the reason why they can bring in those recruiting classes is because they are in Texas. That isn't a luxury that Narduzzi has. Let him win 10 games a year this year. He's still going to be stuck trying to find the diamond in the roughs the big time schools miss out on, AND convincing all of them to choose Pitt over their local, mid-tier programs (Rutgers, Duke, BC, South Florida, NC State, etc.). Good luck with it.
And I brought up those schools because they have new coaches and so fit the idea of, "The ACC is comin'!!!!!" But I don't worry about those schools. A team like UNC, with it's campus and location, has far more upside than any of those schools do. UNC is the type of program that you could see locking down all the talent in NC, and then going to neighboring southern states and pulling 4 stars to supplement the 4 star NC talent. And that could be an issue for us going forward. I could see 2 or 3 years from now UNC and Miami deciding the Coastal every year. But UVA or Pitt being involved in that conversation? No.

 

[Brooklyndee]

Eh. I think the ACC Coastal has some really good coaches and will have those teams playing as well as they can, but the ceiling on these programs just isn't great. Pitt, UVA, VT, they will always be the 2 to 3 star athlete school with a few 4 stars sprinkled in. And you can only coach those types of players up so much.

No different from the vast majority of the sec or big 12 in particular. People never give the accar the credit they deserve. If the draft is the ultimate tell all then the facts can't be disputed...

Which is fine. The minority in the SEC don't worry about the "vast majority" of the SEC. Nick Saban doesn't lose any sleep over Miss. State or Vandy or Kentucky or etc. It's when you get a southern program, surrounded by big time southern athletes, and a coach capable of closing the deal on those southern athletes, that Saban takes notice. If UVA and VT want to split the 4 stars in VA (and they won't, the major southern schools will still cherry pick the best) that's fine with me. If they want to come down to Florida and fight it out with Duke for the players that we don't take, that's fine with me too. Just as it would be fine with Saban and Miles and company. Our ceiling is so much higher than theirs, that if they are beating us with what they have, it's only because we have a coach that isn't capable of getting us to our ceiling.

I agree with you 100%. I just get tired of the bias towards everywhere except the acc when the acc puts the most kids into the nfl

 

[AkronCane]

I live in Akron and I've seen this kid in person 3 times last year...To suggest that Pitt stole him is nothing more than Urban hate/envy driven foolishness. I hate Ohio State more than most here, but I have to be real and objective, there was no way that Sibley was going to end up at State based on what I've seen of him. I don't care what his rank is or what scouts and coaches think, my "lying" eyes say that he's a MAC prospect all day. I want to see him do well, as I do with all the local kids, but he's small (relative to D1 backs), lacks initial burst and makes up for those weaknesses with being injury prone with no top end speed. I said from the first game of last season against McKinley that there was, in the words of the immortal Buford T. Just, no way, no way that he was going to end up OSU. Pitt might me be a good landing spot for him, though. Over the years the Panthers have some decent kids from Akron go there like Charles Gladman back in the 80s. I'll be surprised if Sibley's teammate/QB Danny Clark ends up at OSU. I get the feeling that both will end up elsewhere. I'll be rooting for the kid as long as he's not playing our boys, of course.

 

[Tad Footeball]

I live in Akron and I've seen this kid in person 3 times last year...To suggest that Pitt stole him is nothing more than Urban hate/envy driven foolishness. I hate Ohio State more than most here, but I have to be real and objective, there was no way that Sibley was going to end up at State based on what I've seen of him. I don't care what his rank is or what scouts and coaches think, my "lying" eyes say that he's a MAC prospect all day. I want to see him do well, as I do with all the local kids, but he's small (relative to D1 backs), lacks initial burst and makes up for those weaknesses with being injury prone with no top end speed. I said from the first game of last season against McKinley that there was, in the words of the immortal Buford T. Just, no way, no way that he was going to end up OSU. Pitt might me be a good landing spot for him, though. Over the years the Panthers have some decent kids from Akron go there like Charles Gladman back in the 80s. I'll be surprised if Sibley's teammate/QB Danny Clark ends up at OSU. I get the feeling that both will end up elsewhere. I'll be rooting for the kid as long as he's not playing our boys, of course.

You live in Akron, eh? You ever run into Brian Windhorst at Dilly's Drive-In ordering 42 burgers at once while clearing everything he's allowed to "report" about Lebron with Maverick Carter first? God, I bet that fat fu<k is another OSU fan too.

 

[AkronCane]

I knew his sister back in high school....She was a straight corn husker, monster *** softball player. I believe she went to Wright State to play. As far as Brian at Dilly's, nah he's a Swensons and Skyway guy. LOL.

 

[MIATL]

I knew his sister back in high school....She was a straight corn husker, monster *** softball player. I believe she went to Wright State to play. As far as Brian at Dilly's, nah he's a Swensons and Skyway guy. LOL.

What's wrong with Swenson's?!?!?

 

[imurcane]

Fair enough. However, your post had nothing to do with location of those schools but the level of talent they pull in. I feel that is inaccurate because some schools do have success with 2/3 star players. I agree with the south being a much stronger area for talent. I suppose you must have expected me to think that because you referred to VT, UVA, Pitt that you were referring to them because of the location of those schools? But I thought you just referred to them because they are in our conference.

Boise State would seemingly support your position.

But if you put Boise in the SEC would they be the program they have become?

 

[mossmadness]

Boise State would seemingly support your position.

But if you put Boise in the SEC would they be the program they have become?

Boise State has also been able to pull from California. I doubt that any team in a P5 conference could consistently win bringing in 2 or 3 star recruits. But assuming it could work, you better be pulling from the geographical areas I listed above (the south and Cali). Boise State has been able to take advantage of a state that has more talent than anybody can successfully scout, by finding studs that fall through the cracks. They have then been able to take advantage of the sorry state of west coast football and convince these recruits that if you want to play major college football, if you want to win 10+ games a year, if you want to play in a BCS game, while still staying on this side of the country, you need to come to Boise State. It's almost like the Colorado model was in the 80's and 90's. Except they took 4 and 5 star recruits from Cali, which is why they played for NC's.
Its worked for them, but it's not really a model many schools can follow.

 

[imurcane]

Boise State would seemingly support your position.

But if you put Boise in the SEC would they be the program they have become?

Boise State has also been able to pull from California. I doubt that any team in a P5 conference could consistently win bringing in 2 or 3 star recruits. But assuming it could work, you better be pulling from the geographical areas I listed above (the south and Cali). Boise State has been able to take advantage of a state that has more talent than anybody can successfully scout, by finding studs that fall through the cracks. They have then been able to take advantage of the sorry state of west coast football and convince these recruits that if you want to play major college football, if you want to win 10+ games a year, if you want to play in a BCS game, while still staying on this side of the country, you need to come to Boise State. It's almost like the Colorado model was in the 80's and 90's. Except they took 4 and 5 star recruits from Cali, which is why they played for NC's.
Its worked for them, but it's not really a model many schools can follow.

Absolutely agree with last statement a million percent. I think CP was a **** of a head coach. He is akin to Dan Snyder, in this respect, doing more with less. I think there are few schools that can win with this formula.

Glad we are in the middle of the hotbed.

Interesting image, with Golden, Shannon, and Coker we were like men looking for whores in a red light district striking out.