My thoughts on the class (long)

Gettin yearby to flip from fsu was huge i think it was a great class ... Would of love to see another rb though....

Treon and wilson are not losses i dont understand where people come from we have better players at both postions by far.....
 
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We’re still stubborn on size. I thought we were done with this crap when Golden came in and offered Dallas Crawford. But this year, we turned down Juwon Dowels and Isaiah McKenzie simply because they were too small. That’s disappointing.

Finally, the defensive scheme is the new “cloud.” High school coaches are talking about it and college coaches are using it against us. If the results don’t change, this will do even more damage than the NCAA ever could.

Great post, DMoney.

The size issue is extremely baffling and it's made worse by the fact that we initially didn't offer Berrios, another undersized weapon with elite athleticism, when he showed up for a Miami camp. They risked losing a dynamic slot weapon because of their apparent bias against a receiver of his size. And although I don't know enough about the situation to allege that Kaaya had to convince the staff to extend Berrios an offer, I've seen that mentioned on these boards before.

Failing to go hard after McKenzie was infuriating and I fully expect him to have a fantastic career at Georgia, where he'll likely earn immediate playing time in the return game. It's a relief to hear that we're going to make 5'9" DB Tim Irvin a priority in next year's cycle, but they need to show on a consistent basis that they're not going to shy away from dynamic playmakers because they're undersized for their positions.

As for the scheme, that's troubling but not at all surprising to hear. It may have just been lip service, but one of the more encouraging talking points I heard from Golden came from his appearance on the Kup and Crowder Show. Crowder asked specifically about concerns surrounding the scheme and his loyalty towards D'Onofrio, to which he suggested that we'll be playing more aggressive in the secondary now that we've brought in more big-time pass rushers to join McCord and AQM. The talk about being more aggressive and playing more Cover 1 was nice to hear, though that's only part of the battle in terms of issues with the scheme as it relates to the players currently on the roster.
 
If we're so stubborn on size, why did we sign Berrios? Kinda shoots down the McKenzie argument, no?

Why do you think we didn't offer McKenzie? Athletic ability?

And come on, Dowels? Offers from Rutgers, Utah, Appalachian State, NIU, and Cuse? That's the kind of kid that this and previous staffs have gotten murdered for signing in the past.

Offers from Clemson and Oklahoma. Both teams looked pretty good last time I saw them.

Are you suggesting that Miami coaches start the rumors of kids getting paid because they can't admit defeat? You lose all credibility with me if that's the case.

OK.

How was Powell's defection a total ***** up?

He is a 4.0+ student who waited two days because of "transcripts." I'll let you fill in the blanks.

It's a little contradictory to say that QB is the strongest position in the class, but the QB recruiting was 'clumsy' (I happen to agree with the latter, although that has nothing to do with Flowers or Treon).

QB is the strongest position in the class because Kaaya is an excellent prospect. I said we should've offered Treon as a QB in the spring. The fact that we did so in January (when he didn't grow an inch) suggests that something was wrong with our approach.

This is just dumb. The vast majority of us are firmly in the middle of these two groups.

But yet the only points you disagree with are the points that are critical of our coaches. I stand by my position that the fan base is polarized.
 
If we're so stubborn on size, why did we sign Berrios? Kinda shoots down the McKenzie argument, no?

Why do you think we didn't offer McKenzie? Athletic ability?

And come on, Dowels? Offers from Rutgers, Utah, Appalachian State, NIU, and Cuse? That's the kind of kid that this and previous staffs have gotten murdered for signing in the past.

Offers from Clemson and Oklahoma. Both teams looked pretty good last time I saw them.

Are you suggesting that Miami coaches start the rumors of kids getting paid because they can't admit defeat? You lose all credibility with me if that's the case.

OK.

How was Powell's defection a total ***** up?

He is a 4.0+ student who waited two days because of "transcripts." I'll let you fill in the blanks.

It's a little contradictory to say that QB is the strongest position in the class, but the QB recruiting was 'clumsy' (I happen to agree with the latter, although that has nothing to do with Flowers or Treon).

QB is the strongest position in the class because Kaaya is an excellent prospect. I said we should've offered Treon as a QB in the spring. The fact that we did so in January (when he didn't grow an inch) suggests that something was wrong with our approach.

This is just dumb. The vast majority of us are firmly in the middle of these two groups.

But yet the only points you disagree with are the points that are critical of our coaches. I stand by my position that the fan base is polarized.

Lmfao, god****. D$ just went blood.
 
There are two schools of thought with this recruiting class.

One group is disappointed because they know what this class could have been. These fans have lost faith in the staff’s ability to coach, so they believe we need superstar classes to compete with the big boys.

The second group is happy about the kids we actually signed and doesn’t worry about the misses. These fans have full faith in Golden and believe it’s only a matter of time before Miami is back on top.

The truth, as always, is somewhere in the middle.

It’s impossible to ignore the mistakes that kept us from capitalizing on South Florida’s bumper crop. We lost head-to-head battles for Valentine, Sony, Cook, Dixon and Rudolph. Everybody has heard the money rumors, and there may be some truth there. But more often than not, these rumors come from highly competitive coaches who can’t admit defeat. We got beat on these guys.

We’re still stubborn on size. I thought we were done with this crap when Golden came in and offered Dallas Crawford. But this year, we turned down Juwon Dowels and Isaiah McKenzie simply because they were too small. That’s disappointing.

Brandon Powell’s defection was a total ***** up. No other way to put it.

We were clumsy in our QB recruiting after Kaaya. Before the season, I advocated offering Kaaya, Treon Harris and Winky Flowers. We ended up doing exactly that, except we waited too long to offer Treon and offered a similar out-of-state player (Rosier) instead of Winky. If we followed the right blueprint, we could’ve signed two of the best athletes in Miami.

We offered Ryan Mayes instead of taking a similar player (Quincy Wilson) with Canes blood and extensive connections to the local football community. Wilson is by no means a perfect prospect, but this move revealed two flaws in our approach: an inability to think big-picture and an overemphasis on the Golden Camp. We make too many decisions based on workouts in shirts and shorts.

Finally, the defensive scheme is the new “cloud.” High school coaches are talking about it and college coaches are using it against us. If the results don’t change, this will do even more damage than the NCAA ever could.

But even with all of these issues, I feel the same way that Coach Golden felt in his NSD press conference: confident and comfortable.

The word to describe this class is “healthy.” There is balance across the board. The two most important positions in football—quarterback and defensive line—are the strongest positions in the class. Kaaya is our biggest coup in years. We’ve accumulated a stable of talented and hungry pass-rushers. The offensive line is in terrific shape. Kiy Hester will provide safety depth right away, and Berrios will emerge as a Shockey-type fan favorite.

If Golden is the man for the job, he has enough to win with. If he’s not, the next guy will have a balanced roster without the gaping holes that Coker and Shannon left behind.

More than anything, I just love seeing kids like Demetrius Jackson and Trayon Gray shed tears for the colors. I don’t care if it’s corny. Last year was the roughest NSD in ages, but we will always remember Stacy Coley putting on the Swag hat. These guys will represent the Canes for the next few years and maybe the next decade in the pros. Forget about the coaches. That’s what this day is about.

Welcome to Miami, fellas. Let’s go get number six.

Great post as always.

I haven't completely lost faith in Golden, but I'm no longer enamored with him like maybe I was his first 2 seasons. You can't completely dismiss some of the things he's had to deal with since getting the job (relationship with HS coaches, depleted roster, "the cloud", etc..), which is probably why I'm still in "wait and see" mode. While I'm happy with this class and that there is some elite talent coming in, we can't miss on the guys we did if we expect to win the NC. The teams winning the NC's now are the ones that have been getting top 5/10 classes for the past 5/6 years running. Say what you want about rankings, but Bama and OSU just each signed 10 guys in ESPN's top 100 ... thats pretty ******* good.
 
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The Wilson thing I don't agree with. For all the pied piper talk, none of his boys ended up where he was. If you don't think Wilson can play then don't even bother. We'll see if their wrong on that evaluation but for now Mayes at least appears to be kid who wants it. Did everything he could to be an EE. No guarantees in life, but I get the feeling Quincy and his father would've surely been a pain in the *** if he was stuck behind other players for a year or two.

Signing Wilson wasn't just about 2014. The South Florida Express isn't going anywhere. Big-time kids like Sam Bruce are already parroting anti-Miami talk. These kids won't necessarily follow Wilson, but I'd rather them hear Miami propaganda than Miami hate.

More than anything, I'm just not a Mayes fan. I don't understand offering him and turning our nose up at Wilson.

I was thinking about this today. We pass on Wilson and Lammons, and end up with Mayes and Gayot? Even if they thought Wilson/Lammons weren't quite Miami caliber, it would've generated some goodwill in So Fla, the recruiting they would have done of other players, and the perception that we're landing National names would have created a lot of positive momentum.

Mayes and Gayot - I don't really get either of those 2.
 
OK DMoney, both you and Pete have skated around the Powell situation. If the kid had a 4.0 average, what was the actual issue? Did UM lose the **** transcript? What kind of mickey mouse admissions office do we have over there?
 
You think a kid waiting 2 days because of transcripts who leaves and goes to his dream school when cook turns down fla ... And thats a mistake by us? So we lost powell or he wanted to be a gator ..... Its simple if he wanted to be a cane 2 days of transcripts wouldnt be a problem .... Get real
 
OK DMoney, both you and Pete have skated around the Powell situation. If the kid had a 4.0 average, what was the actual issue? Did UM lose the **** transcript? What kind of mickey mouse admissions office do we have over there?

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How was Powell's defection a total ***** up?

He is a 4.0+ student who waited two days because of "transcripts." I'll let you fill in the blanks.

How about you fill in the blanks for the rest of us because I still don't quite get what happened here.

Did id they not want him? Slow played? His school screwed up in getting a well know requirement for any college over in time? Powell couldn't wait a whole two days for it to get cleared up? I'm still not clear. Every one of those has been danced around here, still no clarity for those of us not in the "know".
 
He is saying there was a hold up for another reason


D$ curious on Wilson. Went to several U School games and I just dont see it. Sean White is a much bigger ? if you want to pick someone on that team
 
DMoney I have a theory as well on the RBs: Once Coley came to UM, being basically the "handler" for Yearby, I think that all but closed the door on Cook and eliminated Sony. Coley is like family, and if you are a RB coming in the same class as Yearby, you probably will worry about favortism and PT. I'd guess if Yearby didn't come we'd have Sony, or Cook. Wasn't in the cards to get 2 or 3. Question is, which would you have preferred.
 
You think a kid waiting 2 days because of transcripts who leaves and goes to his dream school when cook turns down fla ... And thats a mistake by us? So we lost powell or he wanted to be a gator ..... Its simple if he wanted to be a cane 2 days of transcripts wouldnt be a problem .... Get real

Kid was an EE. I think he was worried that if UM didn't get its **** together he might have to wait till spring. Can you blame a kid for that? Meanwhile, UF calls and says "hey man, we need a stud RB in our class, and you are good to go here". Don't blame BP one bit, even if he is a cokcsmoking gator now.
 
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D$ curious on Wilson. Went to several U School games and I just dont see it. Sean White is a much bigger ? if you want to pick someone on that team

Lex,
The funny thing is that I'm not a huge Wilson guy. I liked him in the camps, but as you can see in my rankings I have a lot of concerns that he's a tweener. The Booker T game (which you mentioned) raised a ton of concerns. But he's very similar to Mayes and, if you're going to take Mayes, I think Wilson is the better player.

I believe we need to do a better job of "playing the game." We can't pay, but there are other things we can do. Look at all the South Florida guys Coley offered when he was at FSU. Those guys may not have all been FSU caliber, but he wanted to establish a presence down here.

If we're going to use scholarships on post-signing day Hail Marys, I don't see why we can't use scholarships for political/package deal reasons.
 
If we're so stubborn on size, why did we sign Berrios? Kinda shoots down the McKenzie argument, no?

Why do you think we didn't offer McKenzie? Athletic ability? You didn't answer my question, but they obviously liked Berrios more.

And come on, Dowels? Offers from Rutgers, Utah, Appalachian State, NIU, and Cuse? That's the kind of kid that this and previous staffs have gotten murdered for signing in the past.

Offers from Clemson and Oklahoma. Both teams looked pretty good last time I saw them. 247 doesn't list offers from either of them...and if he did have offers from them, you're telling me he chose Cuse over those two? Right.

Are you suggesting that Miami coaches start the rumors of kids getting paid because they can't admit defeat? You lose all credibility with me if that's the case.

OK. I'll take that as a 'yes'. Total buffoonery.

How was Powell's defection a total ***** up?

He is a 4.0+ student who waited two days because of "transcripts." I'll let you fill in the blanks. How is that the coaches fault, since you claim I only disagreed with things that are critical of the coaches (yet I apparently agreed with your point about the defense...Imagine that. If the kid wanted to be a Cane, he would've waited 2 freaking days. Please.

It's a little contradictory to say that QB is the strongest position in the class, but the QB recruiting was 'clumsy' (I happen to agree with the latter, although that has nothing to do with Flowers or Treon).

QB is the strongest position in the class because Kaaya is an excellent prospect. I said we should've offered Treon as a QB in the spring. The fact that we did so in January (when he didn't grow an inch) suggests that something was wrong with our approach. Or that the Treon camp said they might be open to a position change if he was given a shot at QB.

This is just dumb. The vast majority of us are firmly in the middle of these two groups.

But yet the only points you disagree with are the points that are critical of our coaches. I stand by my position that the fan base is polarized. What does Powell have to do with the coaches? Did I disagree about the defense being the new 'cloud'?

Snore. More BS.
 
You think a kid waiting 2 days because of transcripts who leaves and goes to his dream school when cook turns down fla ... And thats a mistake by us? So we lost powell or he wanted to be a gator ..... Its simple if he wanted to be a cane 2 days of transcripts wouldnt be a problem .... Get real

Kid was an EE. I think he was worried that if UM didn't get its **** together he might have to wait till spring. Can you blame a kid for that? Meanwhile, UF calls and says "hey man, we need a stud RB in our class, and you are good to go here". Don't blame BP one bit, even if he is a cokcsmoking gator now.

I think its simple cook dropped the gators boom offer shows up for powell boom hes gone just like that is it that difficult gentlemen? Its quite basic remove all the fluff and read in between the lines
 
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And come on, Dowels? Offers from Rutgers, Utah, Appalachian State, NIU, and Cuse? That's the kind of kid that this and previous staffs have gotten murdered for signing in the past.

Offers from Clemson and Oklahoma. Both teams looked pretty good last time I saw them.


But yet the only points you disagree with are the points that are critical of our coaches. I stand by my position that the fan base is polarized.

So the kid really had offers from OU and Clemson? He didn't visit either school but he did visit Northern Illinois, Utah, Rutgers and would up at Syracuse.

Guys who really have offers from BCS bowl teams don't visit the places he visited.
 
I really have to ask this im new to the board tired of the paysite bull****... My first message board forum was grassy . com now i have to ask how long have you guys been following the program and recruiting because some of this nonsense is a joke... .... So i dont want to come off 2 hard i mean some of you guys might been fairly new to the process ?
 
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