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Miami lands Jacksonville St. safety Zechariah Poyser (Awarded Freshman All American)

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caneman73 said:
Don't get me wrong i understand the young man plays a position of great need; but this really shows how far the program has fallen that as a fanbase we get excited about a kid from J'Ville State
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The other two most aggressive suitors for Poyser were Georgia and LSU. That you think the kid having started his career at Jax State matters vs the fact that he is ranked one of the top safeties in the portal because of what he has shown on the field and his measurables says more about your grasp of football than how good he is and how big of a pickup it is for us.
 
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Those of you who love this kid, help me understand why. How is this kid from Jacksonville St such a guaranteed starter and not a bust like MOST of the DBs we've brought through the portal? Especially the ones from lesser schools. How can you all be so confident that his play will translate from G5 Jacksonville State to P4 ACC and beyond? I know we're all projecting here but what is it specifically you see on tape that means his skills will project fine to the P4 level?

This is a sincere question. Not rhetorical.

Just trying to bring some reality to the player before I pencil him in as a plug and play starter and get my hopes up again for nothing.
 
dk72 said:
The other two most aggressive suitors for Poyser were Georgia and LSU. That you think the kid having started his career at Jax State matters vs the fact that he is ranked one of the top safeties in the portal because of what he has shown on the field and his measurables says more about your grasp of football than how good he is and how big of a pickup it is for us.
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Never said it was a bad pick up did I? Merely the fact this program used to be the likes of LSU/Georgia (just to reference the schools that you brought up) that would get this type of talent from the high school level
 
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caneman73 said:
Don't get me wrong i understand the young man plays a position of great need; but this really shows how far the program has fallen that as a fanbase we get excited about a kid from J'Ville State
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We can't keep doing this man. The best player we have had in almost 20 years started out at non other than Incarnate Word. Aamir Hall at Michigan this year came from Albany, Jared Verse for FSU came from Albany, Matt Sluka (before he quit on his team) had UNLV humming, Dymere Miller from Monmouth to Rutgers had a nice year for them, Kisean Johnson from Bama state to WKU balled out. Plenty of examples of talent translating from those levels. I can get pessimism based on how poor our defensive portal additions have been in the past but to not give a player a shot or tell people to look past a guy because he comes from Jax State is just dumb.
 
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RealRussellPumps said:
We can't keep doing this man. The best player we have had in almost 20 years started out at non other than Incarnate Word. Aamir Hall at Michigan this year came from Albany, Jared Verse for FSU came from Albany, Matt Sluka (before he quit on his team) had UNLV humming, Dymere Miller from Monmouth to Rutgers had a nice year for them, Kisean Johnson from Bama state to WKU balled out. Plenty of examples of talent translating from those levels. I can get pessimism based on how poor our defensive portal additions have been in the past but to not give a player a shot or tell people to look past a guy because he comes from Jax State is just dumb.
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Completely missed my point. Never said this was not a good pick up. Completely agree that many programs find great talent at the lower levels. This program used to be able to pull this talent from the high school level was the point. Sorry my "dumb" opinion did not align with yours
 
caneman73 said:
Completely missed my point. Never said this was not a good pick up. Completely agree that many programs find great talent at the lower levels. This program used to be able to pull this talent from the high school level was the point. Sorry my "dumb" opinion did not align with yours
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That wasn't the "point" in your initial post. You said, and I quote "this really shows how far the program has fallen that as a fanbase we get excited about a kid from J'Ville State". That insinuates that because we took a kid from a lower level, we should not be excited about him. That is an objectively dumb take when there is data that suggests that kids from that level can in fact become good players at this level. It's even dumber when you consider the kid graded out very well last year as a young player who in theory is still going to get better with more reps.

Every year kids slip through the cracks, go to lower levels, ball out, and then transfer up to FBS. Last year Alabama took a kid from Charlotte and another from Kennesaw State. Does that show how far they have fallen as a program or is that strictly a Miami thing?
 
Again it is right to have some questions about how he will translate to p4… BUT, that tape kinda pops. Athleticism AND versatility. Bring in him and more and it's a free for all for jobs. That's how it's supposed to be.
 
RealRussellPumps said:
That wasn't the "point" in your initial post. You said, and I quote "this really shows how far the program has fallen that as a fanbase we get excited about a kid from J'Ville State". That insinuates that because we took a kid from a lower level, we should not be excited about him. That is an objectively dumb take when there is data that suggests that kids from that level can in fact become good players at this level. It's even dumber when you consider the kid graded out very well last year as a young player who in theory is still going to get better with more reps.

Every year kids slip through the cracks, go to lower levels, ball out, and then transfer up to FBS. Last year Alabama took a kid from Charlotte and another from Kennesaw State. Does that show how far they have fallen as a program or is that strictly a Miami thing?
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sure.....glad you know my point and i didnt......
 
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hoops156 said:
then why am i hearing in every pod out there saying that the defensive room culture sucks and benching a guy for the same mistake would have been helpful considering it cost us a spot in the acc title game.

we are still one of the most undisciplined teams in the country so yes the culture blows.

look i am not gonna fall for the bull**** spewed bc this has been a bad coaching job overall.

Al wasnt a first timer btw.
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First, I have no idea what you are hearing "in every pod out there". I know there are some coaching disagreements, and I believe that will be remedied very shortly.

As for the rest of that finger-pointing (not by you, per se, but by a lot of people who miss the point), prior to the Syracuse game, that particular player had, what, ONE similar penalty? I realize he had some other close calls, but I do find it funny when some of our fans are like "wasn't it awesome in the 1980s when we took all those unsportsmanlike penalties and still scored?"

Look, I'm not defending what happened, but if Mario had the balls to go for it on 4th down (LIKE HE SHOULD HAVE!) and we won the Syracuse game, nobody (except Jacolby's haters) would be complaining. He was pulled from the game after that play. Is that "enough" punishment? Who knows, and I'm not going to belabor that question.

As for "undisciplined teams", I would simply ask you, WHAT ACC TEAM was ranked #1 (to Miami's #2) in most-penalized teams? Oh, yeah, that would be SMU. And I don't see a lot of accusations about SMU being "undisciplined".

I'll make this simple. We had the unquestioned #1 offense (statistically) in the country. We had the #43 defense (I posted it somewhere) when it comes to yards per play given up. We lost two road games, by 5 and 4 points.

"Bad coaching job overall"? No. Some consistently bothersome things that mostly didn't derail us, but did at the most inopportune times? Yes.

On defense, we STARTED OUT by not loading up enough talent in the defensive backfield. We then added to that problem with an overly complicated coverage scheme that confused our DBs and LBs at crucial times. And I would argue that a STUBBORNESS to make a mid-season change (which the hated Gators did, to much success) was the final nail in the coffin of how we finished the season on defense.

Offense was great, though. Defense started strong and faltered late after everyone got the blueprint on how to attack us.
 
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LMCane said:
Snaps Podcast stated last night 6 of the playoff teams playing this weekend were TOP TEN IN TOTAL DEFENSE this year. only two were TOP TEN in offense!
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That's a fair and illuminating point. Defense wins championships.
 
hoops156 said:
king came in year 2 and got hurt in the next year. king won us 9 games in year 2 (lost to UNC with a shot at the OB on the line). king got hurt in year 3. the **** are you saying.

manny got fired basically after MSU in his third season. he ended up finishing 21-15 over 3 years. mario is at 22-15 over 3 years.
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You guys are talking about two different things.

King's TWO years at Miami (2020-2021) coincided with Manny's SECOND and THIRD years at Miami (2019-2021).


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252cane said:
He didn’t convince cam not to go to the nfl. Cam talked with his pops and decided not to go then called Mario and said he wanted in. Mario himself said he had moved on and you see they then went and got poff
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I believe you are confusing the "convincing" and the point of "making a decision".

The fact that Cam and his father changed their minds was heavily dependent on the pitch that Mario and Miami made. Without THAT, Cam and his father never change their minds.
 
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