Mayor proposes new site for Stadium

[Cane7451]

A 25K seat stadium doesn't work for UM football.

If we're only looking to seat 30K, they can use Marlin's Park ...

Agree that new site won't fit a 40K seat football stadium. That narrow rectangle is about the same width of the American Airlines Arena's building and NBA basketball courts Dimensions are only 94' x 50'. Football fields are three times larger than NBA court dimensions and soccer fields are even 10 feet wider than football fields.

The AAA can only fit 19.6K fans with 1/3 the width of a football field as their court size. Anyone that thinks we could put even 40K in that narrow rectangle is dreaming. The only way to have it be 40K would to have 90% of the seats in the end zones and Beckham would never build it that way. That site would be pushing it to even have 20K fans with the width of a soccer field where even the majority of the fans seats will be in the end zones.

As I have said over and over Beckham is just using the Canes fans for his political support. Beckham doesn't care about the U.

hey genius, its not just the space in that rectangle... They would include a large part of the park too.

Show me where that is written since it is 9.8 acres and they aren't going to give away Bicentennial Park or their will be a major public backlash that will require a public vote for that to happen. BTW, The city of Miami owns Bicentennial Park not the county and that isn't Miami-Dade County Mayor Carlos Gimenez land to give away.


This is the Future image of Miami Art Museum and the Miami Museum of Science that broke ground in 2012 and is scheduled to be finished by 2015. It sure doesn't leave much for Bicentennial Park that has been renamed Museum Park.

“The mayor’s willingness to add Parcel B to the discussion is a fundamental change because it means the park would be larger and arguably better, because it has a greater percentage of bayfront property,” Alschuler said.



not gonna get into it at length, but giving "parcel B" to the park will ad the gross sqftage of the park, thus create the opportunity to grant more of the present park land to the project. Meaning, the state wont let the city lose any public park land, only if they are able to recapture it. And trading interior park space for more bay front space is a positive for the park and city...

and further more, you don't know **** about how this city works:

Show me where that is written since it is 9.8 acres and they aren't going to give away Bicentennial Park or their will be a major public backlash that will require a public vote for that to happen.

look at Marlins stadium.. How'd the public vote go there?

The Marlins site wasn't waterfront property that only public uses was housing projects. So there was no public vote from Circuit Judge Jeri Beth Cohen signed an order that said that a voter referendum was not required. Norman Braman fought the right for the public voters approval but the judge over ruled the public vote.

This is water front property that is worth over $50M that has a requirement for a public vote. You are right the Mayors and Metro Council people are for sale to the highest bidder that will try to use the filled in water site as getting around the law by claiming it is water not water front property.

Then again if they add any land from Bicentennial Park to the MLS site then that will bring in Billionaire Norman Braman for another fight. Let's see how the Mayors get re-elected since the Cuban History Museum wants that same land in Bicentennial Park. I just hope this added public vote will cost Beckham his MLS license that has a short expiration timeline to meet for a MLS stadium site or Beckham loses his sweetheart MLS deal. Delay delay and kick MLS out of South Florida is my hope.

BTW, thanks for posting the whole Herald story since they want me to pay $1 a month to read their site and I still hate the Herald and won't give them a penny of my money for their Pell Grant involvement on getting UM on probation.

Just answer one question PUNCICANE do you really think Beckham has any intentions of building that stadium to meet The University of Miami's requirments?

 

[bear]

The Miami politicians are to blame for the OB.

It is them who have to make it right although there will never be an OB again

 

[PUNCICANE]

Agree that new site won't fit a 40K seat football stadium. That narrow rectangle is about the same width of the American Airlines Arena's building and NBA basketball courts Dimensions are only 94' x 50'. Football fields are three times larger than NBA court dimensions and soccer fields are even 10 feet wider than football fields.

The AAA can only fit 19.6K fans with 1/3 the width of a football field as their court size. Anyone that thinks we could put even 40K in that narrow rectangle is dreaming. The only way to have it be 40K would to have 90% of the seats in the end zones and Beckham would never build it that way. That site would be pushing it to even have 20K fans with the width of a soccer field where even the majority of the fans seats will be in the end zones.

As I have said over and over Beckham is just using the Canes fans for his political support. Beckham doesn't care about the U.

hey genius, its not just the space in that rectangle... They would include a large part of the park too.

Show me where that is written since it is 9.8 acres and they aren't going to give away Bicentennial Park or their will be a major public backlash that will require a public vote for that to happen. BTW, The city of Miami owns Bicentennial Park not the county and that isn't Miami-Dade County Mayor Carlos Gimenez land to give away.


This is the Future image of Miami Art Museum and the Miami Museum of Science that broke ground in 2012 and is scheduled to be finished by 2015. It sure doesn't leave much for Bicentennial Park that has been renamed Museum Park.

“The mayor’s willingness to add Parcel B to the discussion is a fundamental change because it means the park would be larger and arguably better, because it has a greater percentage of bayfront property,” Alschuler said.



not gonna get into it at length, but giving "parcel B" to the park will ad the gross sqftage of the park, thus create the opportunity to grant more of the present park land to the project. Meaning, the state wont let the city lose any public park land, only if they are able to recapture it. And trading interior park space for more bay front space is a positive for the park and city...

and further more, you don't know **** about how this city works:

Show me where that is written since it is 9.8 acres and they aren't going to give away Bicentennial Park or their will be a major public backlash that will require a public vote for that to happen.

look at Marlins stadium.. How'd the public vote go there?

The Marlins site wasn't waterfront property that only public uses was housing projects. So there was no public vote from Circuit Judge Jeri Beth Cohen signed an order that said that a voter referendum was not required. Norman Braman fought the right of the public voters for approval but the judge over ruled the public vote.

This is water front property that is worth over $50M that has a requirement for a public vote. You are right the Mayors and Metro Council people are for sale to the highest bidder that will try to use the filled in water site as getting around the law.

Then again if they add any land from Bicentennial Park to the MLS site then that will bring in Billionaire Norman Braman for another fight. Let's see how the Mayors get re-elected since the Cuban History Museum wants that same land in Bicentennial Park. I just hope this added public vote will cost Beckham his MLS license that has a short expiration timeline to meet for a MLS stadium site or Beckham loses his sweetheart MLS deal. Delay delay and kick MLS out of South Florida is my hope.

BTW, thanks for posting the whole Herald story since they want me to pay $1 a month to read their site and I still hate the Herald and won't give them a penny of my money for their Pell Grant involvement on getting UM on probation.

Just answer one question PUNCICANE do you really think Beckham has any intentions of building that stadium to meet The University of Miami's requirments?

that's the last major bayfront site in downtown Miami.... Its easily worth over $500 a ft (over $200M)

 

[Cane7451]

hey genius, its not just the space in that rectangle... They would include a large part of the park too.

Show me where that is written since it is 9.8 acres and they aren't going to give away Bicentennial Park or their will be a major public backlash that will require a public vote for that to happen. BTW, The city of Miami owns Bicentennial Park not the county and that isn't Miami-Dade County Mayor Carlos Gimenez land to give away.


This is the Future image of Miami Art Museum and the Miami Museum of Science that broke ground in 2012 and is scheduled to be finished by 2015. It sure doesn't leave much for Bicentennial Park that has been renamed Museum Park.

“The mayor’s willingness to add Parcel B to the discussion is a fundamental change because it means the park would be larger and arguably better, because it has a greater percentage of bayfront property,” Alschuler said.



not gonna get into it at length, but giving "parcel B" to the park will ad the gross sqftage of the park, thus create the opportunity to grant more of the present park land to the project. Meaning, the state wont let the city lose any public park land, only if they are able to recapture it. And trading interior park space for more bay front space is a positive for the park and city...

and further more, you don't know **** about how this city works:

Show me where that is written since it is 9.8 acres and they aren't going to give away Bicentennial Park or their will be a major public backlash that will require a public vote for that to happen.

look at Marlins stadium.. How'd the public vote go there?

The Marlins site wasn't waterfront property that only public uses was housing projects. So there was no public vote from Circuit Judge Jeri Beth Cohen signed an order that said that a voter referendum was not required. Norman Braman fought the right of the public voters for approval but the judge over ruled the public vote.

This is water front property that is worth over $50M that has a requirement for a public vote. You are right the Mayors and Metro Council people are for sale to the highest bidder that will try to use the filled in water site as getting around the law.

Then again if they add any land from Bicentennial Park to the MLS site then that will bring in Billionaire Norman Braman for another fight. Let's see how the Mayors get re-elected since the Cuban History Museum wants that same land in Bicentennial Park. I just hope this added public vote will cost Beckham his MLS license that has a short expiration timeline to meet for a MLS stadium site or Beckham loses his sweetheart MLS deal. Delay delay and kick MLS out of South Florida is my hope.

BTW, thanks for posting the whole Herald story since they want me to pay $1 a month to read their site and I still hate the Herald and won't give them a penny of my money for their Pell Grant involvement on getting UM on probation.

Just answer one question PUNCICANE do you really think Beckham has any intentions of building that stadium to meet The University of Miami's requirments?

that's the last major bayfront site in downtown Miami.... Its easily worth over $500 a ft (over $200M)

You skipped this one request.....

Just answer one question PUNCICANE do you really think Beckham has any intentions of building that stadium to meet The University of Miami's requirments?

 

[Billy D Williams]

I think, make that know, a remarkable 50K capacity waterfront stadium would reflect and enhance The U's reputation on camera and to recruits. Sharing the stadium also means splitting expenses associated with the stadium and that would be essential to The U in getting a stadium it could technically call its own. A uniquely Miami designed stadium with a Biscayne Bay backdrop and waterfront shots would amaze recruits and those watching on tv. A spring game with 25K fans and top notch recruits having full run of the place with a team BBQ on the waterfront following the game? You gotta treat recruits like a 5 star chick! Beautiful place, waterfront setting and fine dining Tallahasse and Gainesville would be hard pressed to touch that.

 

[PUNCICANE]

Show me where that is written since it is 9.8 acres and they aren't going to give away Bicentennial Park or their will be a major public backlash that will require a public vote for that to happen. BTW, The city of Miami owns Bicentennial Park not the county and that isn't Miami-Dade County Mayor Carlos Gimenez land to give away.


This is the Future image of Miami Art Museum and the Miami Museum of Science that broke ground in 2012 and is scheduled to be finished by 2015. It sure doesn't leave much for Bicentennial Park that has been renamed Museum Park.

“The mayor’s willingness to add Parcel B to the discussion is a fundamental change because it means the park would be larger and arguably better, because it has a greater percentage of bayfront property,” Alschuler said.



not gonna get into it at length, but giving "parcel B" to the park will ad the gross sqftage of the park, thus create the opportunity to grant more of the present park land to the project. Meaning, the state wont let the city lose any public park land, only if they are able to recapture it. And trading interior park space for more bay front space is a positive for the park and city...

and further more, you don't know **** about how this city works:

Show me where that is written since it is 9.8 acres and they aren't going to give away Bicentennial Park or their will be a major public backlash that will require a public vote for that to happen.

look at Marlins stadium.. How'd the public vote go there?

The Marlins site wasn't waterfront property that only public uses was housing projects. So there was no public vote from Circuit Judge Jeri Beth Cohen signed an order that said that a voter referendum was not required. Norman Braman fought the right of the public voters for approval but the judge over ruled the public vote.

This is water front property that is worth over $50M that has a requirement for a public vote. You are right the Mayors and Metro Council people are for sale to the highest bidder that will try to use the filled in water site as getting around the law.

Then again if they add any land from Bicentennial Park to the MLS site then that will bring in Billionaire Norman Braman for another fight. Let's see how the Mayors get re-elected since the Cuban History Museum wants that same land in Bicentennial Park. I just hope this added public vote will cost Beckham his MLS license that has a short expiration timeline to meet for a MLS stadium site or Beckham loses his sweetheart MLS deal. Delay delay and kick MLS out of South Florida is my hope.

BTW, thanks for posting the whole Herald story since they want me to pay $1 a month to read their site and I still hate the Herald and won't give them a penny of my money for their Pell Grant involvement on getting UM on probation.

Just answer one question PUNCICANE do you really think Beckham has any intentions of building that stadium to meet The University of Miami's requirments?

that's the last major bayfront site in downtown Miami.... Its easily worth over $500 a ft (over $200M)

You skipped this one request.....

Just answer one question PUNCICANE do you really think Beckham has any intentions of building that stadium to meet The University of Miami's requirments?

i didn't answer it cause its a stupid question...

Beckham has the intentions of doing whats in his best interest, and UM has the intention of doing whats in theirs... If doing a larger stadium and bringing in UM, lowers his basis and is his best interest....it'll happen.

There are a ton of different factors (SLS Lease, City land, Stadium size....), so I don't believe it will happen in the end. But, I'm hopefull.. Having a open ended (OB style) 40k person bay front stadium, packed for home games would be sick

 

[TheCaneShow]

Getting to Heat games is a pain in the *** (granted, most are right at rush hour), trying to get another 30,000 or so people down to that piece of property seems like a mighty big task

Games next to Bayfront would be awesome though.

 

[Hurracanes]

so they're proposing filling in that huge boat slip and using part of the park for the stadium...

I'm in

More proof this is just soccer fans wanting to bring soccer to Miami that will damage the Canes. What are you people talking about they can't fit a 40K seat stadium in that narrow rectangle. Beckham's plans don't include helping the University of Miami he is trying to damage the Canes by creating more competition for the limited sports dollars that will only result in less tickets sold to Canes games. All MLS does in Miami is hurt UM's sports.

Canes fans should be against Beckham MLS team. Beckham can take his MLS team and get out of South Florida.

This is beyond stupid.

 

[theibisrules]

Big ups to puncicane (geez I can't believe I said that) Real good knowledge on this topic man.

 

[Canesbball]

so they're proposing filling in that huge boat slip and using part of the park for the stadium...

I'm in

More proof this is just soccer fans wanting to bring soccer to Miami that will damage the Canes. What are you people talking about they can't fit a 40K seat stadium in that narrow rectangle. Beckham's plans don't include helping the University of Miami he is trying to damage the Canes by creating more competition for the limited sports dollars that will only result in less tickets sold to Canes games. All MLS does in Miami is hurt UM's sports.

Canes fans should be against Beckham MLS team. Beckham can take his MLS team and get out of South Florida.

Who the **** is this guy? Careful homie you might get negged to Bolivia

 

[Cane7451]

“The mayor’s willingness to add Parcel B to the discussion is a fundamental change because it means the park would be larger and arguably better, because it has a greater percentage of bayfront property,” Alschuler said.



not gonna get into it at length, but giving "parcel B" to the park will ad the gross sqftage of the park, thus create the opportunity to grant more of the present park land to the project. Meaning, the state wont let the city lose any public park land, only if they are able to recapture it. And trading interior park space for more bay front space is a positive for the park and city...

and further more, you don't know **** about how this city works:


look at Marlins stadium.. How'd the public vote go there?

The Marlins site wasn't waterfront property that only public uses was housing projects. So there was no public vote from Circuit Judge Jeri Beth Cohen signed an order that said that a voter referendum was not required. Norman Braman fought the right of the public voters for approval but the judge over ruled the public vote.

This is water front property that is worth over $50M that has a requirement for a public vote. You are right the Mayors and Metro Council people are for sale to the highest bidder that will try to use the filled in water site as getting around the law.

Then again if they add any land from Bicentennial Park to the MLS site then that will bring in Billionaire Norman Braman for another fight. Let's see how the Mayors get re-elected since the Cuban History Museum wants that same land in Bicentennial Park. I just hope this added public vote will cost Beckham his MLS license that has a short expiration timeline to meet for a MLS stadium site or Beckham loses his sweetheart MLS deal. Delay delay and kick MLS out of South Florida is my hope.

BTW, thanks for posting the whole Herald story since they want me to pay $1 a month to read their site and I still hate the Herald and won't give them a penny of my money for their Pell Grant involvement on getting UM on probation.

Just answer one question PUNCICANE do you really think Beckham has any intentions of building that stadium to meet The University of Miami's requirments?

that's the last major bayfront site in downtown Miami.... Its easily worth over $500 a ft (over $200M)

You skipped this one request.....

Just answer one question PUNCICANE do you really think Beckham has any intentions of building that stadium to meet The University of Miami's requirments?

i didn't answer it cause its a stupid question...

Beckham has the intentions of doing whats in his best interest, and UM has the intention of doing whats in theirs... If doing a larger stadium and bringing in UM, lowers his basis and is his best interest....it'll happen.

There are a ton of different factors (SLS Lease, City land, Stadium size....), so I don't believe it will happen in the end. But, I'm hopefull.. Having a open ended (OB style) 40k person bay front stadium, packed for home games would be sick

At least you agree it won't happen it is just a pipe dream. The only thing stupid is fools that think that kim kardashian-want-2-B underwear model that is using UM for his political circus cares enough to spend one penny of his money building a stadium to meet UM's requirements. The last MLS team when bankrupted in Miami and anything over his 25K sized stadium would put them out of business. Going to 40K would only make the city officials kill that site also for his team. Per the newspapers UM pays between $4M to $5M to lease SLS. University of Miami will make a lot less money in a tiny 40K stadium when we sell about 50K tickets per game on average and make a lot of money on parking fees.

No way UM make enough money playing in that stadium enough to run our athletic program when Beckham is going to demand top dollar for lease and we have zero parking revenue. Football is a business at UM and if they can't break even they are going to downsize the football program.

 

[theibisrules]

The Marlins site wasn't waterfront property that only public uses was housing projects. So there was no public vote from Circuit Judge Jeri Beth Cohen signed an order that said that a voter referendum was not required. Norman Braman fought the right of the public voters for approval but the judge over ruled the public vote.

This is water front property that is worth over $50M that has a requirement for a public vote. You are right the Mayors and Metro Council people are for sale to the highest bidder that will try to use the filled in water site as getting around the law.

Then again if they add any land from Bicentennial Park to the MLS site then that will bring in Billionaire Norman Braman for another fight. Let's see how the Mayors get re-elected since the Cuban History Museum wants that same land in Bicentennial Park. I just hope this added public vote will cost Beckham his MLS license that has a short expiration timeline to meet for a MLS stadium site or Beckham loses his sweetheart MLS deal. Delay delay and kick MLS out of South Florida is my hope.

BTW, thanks for posting the whole Herald story since they want me to pay $1 a month to read their site and I still hate the Herald and won't give them a penny of my money for their Pell Grant involvement on getting UM on probation.

Just answer one question PUNCICANE do you really think Beckham has any intentions of building that stadium to meet The University of Miami's requirments?

that's the last major bayfront site in downtown Miami.... Its easily worth over $500 a ft (over $200M)

You skipped this one request.....

Just answer one question PUNCICANE do you really think Beckham has any intentions of building that stadium to meet The University of Miami's requirments?

i didn't answer it cause its a stupid question...

Beckham has the intentions of doing whats in his best interest, and UM has the intention of doing whats in theirs... If doing a larger stadium and bringing in UM, lowers his basis and is his best interest....it'll happen.

There are a ton of different factors (SLS Lease, City land, Stadium size....), so I don't believe it will happen in the end. But, I'm hopefull.. Having a open ended (OB style) 40k person bay front stadium, packed for home games would be sick

The only thing stupid is fools that think that kim kardashian-want-2-B underwear model cares enough to spend one penny of his money for anything over his 25K sized stadium. Going to 40K would only make the city officials kill that site also for his team. Per the newspapers UM pays between $4M to $5M to lease SLS. University of Miami will make a lot less money in a tiny 40K stadium when we sell about 50K tickets per game on average and make a lot of money on parking fees.

No way UM make enough money playing in that stadium enough to run our athletic program when Beckham is going to demand top dollar for lease and we have zero parking revenue. Football is a business at UM and if they can't break even they are going to downsize the football program.

No way UM make enough money playing in that stadium enough to run our athletic program when Beckham is going to demand top dollar for lease and we have zero parking revenue. Football is a business at UM and if they can't break even they are going to downsize the football program.

And you know this how?? Oh ok you are in the Beckham Group and have carnal knowledge of their plans. Ok got it.

 

[PUNCICANE]

I'm now dumber for having even responded to 7451

 

[Cane7451]

PUNCICANE turns out that extra land called Parcel B is directly behind the AA Arena and is a parking lot. Not in Bicentennial Park as you said above. The Heat Group controls Parcel B and it is under the City of Miami’s zoning regulations in the AA Arena owned by the country but leased to the Heat Group. With any luck Micky Arison will come out against Beckham moving to steal the Heats parking.

Cuban museum at American Airlines Arena in Parcel B?

 

[SevenNSeven]

In all my histories on message boards, I've never seen anyone so **** up threads on one single topic, by being an overbearing, misinformed, idiotic *******, as I have with 7451 and the stadium issue.


He literally comes in within hours of any new stadium thread, ***** himself and proceeds to drool down the front of his shirt. If he didn't turn his rep off, he'd be so far in the red it'd be ridiculous.

 

[Cane7451]

In all my histories on message boards, I've never seen anyone so **** up threads on one single topic, by being an overbearing, misinformed, idiotic *******, as I have with 7451 and the stadium issue.


He literally comes in within hours of any new stadium thread, ***** himself and proceeds to drool down the front of his shirt. If he didn't turn his rep off, he'd be so far in the red it'd be ridiculous.

7n7 if you can't debate my points keep being the underwear model's favorite cheerleader to bring soccer to Miami. I care what is best for the Miami Hurricanes and that is making the most money for UM's Athletics. I don't care about the skyline view of Biscayne Bay at a football game. I just want to win football games and that takes money. Beckham is using Canes fans for his political circus and never had any intentions of using his money to build a stadium to UM's requirements.

Keep dreaming your underwear model will build a 40K stadium since Beckham would love to put the Canes football program out of business since they are direct competition for the SoFl sports $$$ with overlapping seasons.

 

[AntwanJ306]

University of Miami will make a lot less money in a tiny 40K stadium when we sell about 50K tickets per game

I've tried to explain this to you once, but you refuse to learn. Of that 50,000, over half are either free or sold at rock bottom prices, like $140 for an entire season. We have to sell them at low prices at SLS because the supply ridiculously outweighs demand. If we have a 40K stadium, every seat commands a premium. Season tickets will sell out. How you still don't get this is anyone's guess. You might be the only guy on earth who defends the idea of having a football game with 35,000 empty seats and absolutely no atmosphere.

 

[AntwanJ306]

I care what is best for the Miami Hurricanes and that is making the most money for UM's Athletics.

I care about winning championships, which we're not going to do when the fan base refuses to go to games because the place is so **** boring.

 

[Cane7451]

I care what is best for the Miami Hurricanes and that is making the most money for UM's Athletics.

I care about winning championships, which we're not going to do when the fan base refuses to go to games because the place is so **** boring.

Really bogus statement since the Miami Marlins already proved a brand new luxury $550 million dollar stadium in this town can't sell tickets. BTW, if you are bored at a Canes game then you aren't a real Canes fans to start with that would show up to a real game.

 

[PUNCICANE]

PUNCICANE turns out that extra land called Parcel B is directly behind the AA Arena and is a parking lot. Not in Bicentennial Park as you said above. The Heat Group controls Parcel B and it is under the City of Miami’s zoning regulations in the AA Arena owned by the country but leased to the Heat Group. With any luck Micky Arison will come out against Beckham moving to steal the Heats parking.

Cuban museum at American Airlines Arena in Parcel B?

I think you get dumber by the post.

I know it's behind the arena, that's why I stated that its a better piece to ad to the park, because it runs at length on the bay front... The park would be giving up interior space not bay front. Do I need to draw a picture for you to get it?