Mario without a first round QB

[Angry Ibis]

Belichick without Brady
Jackson without Jordan
Sumlin without Manziel
Saban without 10 consecutive number 1 classes
Argentina without Messi
Any head coach without Lebron.

This place is a cesspool of trolls and negativity dwellers.

LeBron the coach killer?

Definitely closer to Sumlin here than Saban

 

[Tito Benach]

I am not treating TVD as anything other than when Mario got here, the dude was coming off a strong end of the previous season, and then next 2 seasons record was 12-13. I am not the one that projected TVD's prowess, nor did I crown TVD and then did not play to the guy's strengths, nor get held hostage by him, etc.

No one here was really worried about QB heading into the 2022 season and then vomit inducing losses piled up as the dude got murked and the Mario/Gattis/Ponce combo happened.

What’s the larger point you’re trying to make?

Mario missed on Gattis & so did Maryland. He hired Dawson who runs a good offense if the QB can make the reads.

TVD could not and even at Wisconsin he looked frazzled and now he’s likely going to a G4/FCS school to make one last shot at saving his draft stock which is almost nonexistent

 

[Hurricane23]

Would Alabama have been the dynasty they were w/o Jalen Hurts, Tua , Mac Jones, and Bryce Young ?

4 NFL QBs made them who they were.

Early Bama Nick Saban won with running the ball and excellent defense, latter was more QB, and a bunch of elite receivers running pass defenders.

 

[BeachCanes]

what did andy reid do without mahomes?

Pretty **** good. 50-25 with Alex Smith. Super Bowl with McNabb.

 

[UMercury21]

this isn't the flex you think it is..............

the flex is x coach with a 1st round QB 8-5 etc.... cough usc cough and all the other programs that couldn't win with a 1st round qb.

 

[mosthated305]

Pretty **** good. 50-25 with Alex Smith. Super Bowl with McNabb.

0 ships and fired by the Eagles because of it. Also McNabb was pretty **** good.

 

[Hegemon]

Excluding FIU for obvious reasons

4-3
10-3
5-7
7-6

Yikes

Kinda like any coach ever.

Great analysis.

 

[KevinCaneFace]

What do you do with a QB projected to go round 1 when you don’t play to his strengths, but you’ve crowned him?

You go 12-13

please don’t tell me you’re talking about TVD. Kid had one great 6 game run in his four year career. He was a projected first rounder the same way Jake Heaps was once the top QB in the country

 

[Zombie-Cane]

Belichick without Brady
Jackson without Jordan
Sumlin without Manziel
Saban without 10 consecutive number 1 classes
Argentina without Messi
Any head coach without Lebron.

This place is a cesspool of trolls and negativity dwellers.

You had me until Lebron. Dude misses the playoffs nearly as much as making them....

 

[pacusmc]

You had me until Lebron. Dude misses the playoffs nearly as much as making them....

10 years ago it’s an automatic playoff run on any team. Jordan > LeBron imo. But let’s not act like in his prime he wasn’t the best player on the planet by a lot.

 

[orange&green84]

I mean they did win with AJ Mccaron, Greg mcelroy. Jalen was also a 2nd round QB.

You could argue that Bama’s best years of their dynasty was with McCaron who outside of McElroy was the least talented amongst the group.

 

[Angry Ibis]

please don’t tell me you’re talking about TVD. Kid had one great 6 game run in his four year career. He was a projected first rounder the same way Jake Heaps was once the top QB in the country

Were you worried about our starting QB entering the 2022 season? Was that QB projected as a strong draft pick at that time?

 

[Rickd]

Excluding FIU for obvious reasons

4-3
10-3
5-7
7-6

Yikes

So that means that the FSU national championship with Winston is meaningless? How about the 49ers Super Bowl wins with Montana? Everybody knows YOU NEED an elite QB + a solid defense to win championships.

 

[Zombie-Cane]

10 years ago it’s an automatic playoff run on any team. Jordan > LeBron imo. But let’s not act like in his prime he wasn’t the best player on the planet by a lot.

Is/was he a great player? Absolutely! But I don't think he was the best player on the planet. Heck, I'd pick Dwayne Wade over him every day of the week. But I am derailing the thread, and for that I apologize! Merry Christmas my friend!

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

Were you worried about our starting QB entering the 2022 season? Was that QB projected as a strong draft pick at that time?

In hindsight, it was a house of cards. I thought TVD would be good here, we all did. Obviously, some NFL analysts did. But these are the same scouts who told Pete Thamel FSU has the best DL in the country. They miss.

As I said, in hindsight, TVD played 6 really awful defenses in 2021 as a freshman with no film on him. Once the book was out, he never adjusted or got better. Some of that is on his coaches. Most of it is on him. But we all bought into the hype of beating up on tomato cans down the stretch in 2021 and winning ACC Freshman of the Year, when reality was he popped out of nowhere and when DCs could gameplan for him, he was cooked. Injuries didn't help either. He was hurt a lot of 2022 and 2023.