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[Consigliere]

You can add Urban Liar to that list. His teams over achieved from Ball St. to Utah and won 2 NC's at florida with a QB that could barely throw the ball.

Bowling Green?

 

[Consigliere]

funny thing is people talk about lack of improvement but the record gets better every year he has been here, having said that this year the record should be better than what it was last year

2011: 3-5
2012: 5-3 (actual improvement from 2012 to 2011)
2013: 5-3 (no actual improvement from 2013 to 2012)
2014: ?

 

[HarryCarayisGoat]

funny thing is people talk about lack of improvement but the record gets better every year he has been here, having said that this year the record should be better than what it was last year

Randy improved his first 3 years too.

 

[niner]

funny thing is people talk about lack of improvement but the record gets better every year he has been here, having said that this year the record should be better than what it was last year

2011: 3-5
2012: 5-3 (actual improvement from 2012 to 2011)
2013: 5-3 (no actual improvement from 2013 to 2012)
2014: ?

You'r right, the rest of the games don't count. Because if those other games were lost , no one here would point those out. That would never happen here.

 

[Consigliere]

You'r right, the rest of the games don't count. Because if those other games were lost , no one here would point those out. That would never happen here.

Do you really not understand what I am getting at?

Seriously?

 

[niner]

You'r right, the rest of the games don't count. Because if those other games were lost , no one here would point those out. That would never happen here.

Do you really not understand what I am getting at?

Seriously?

Sure I understand you are selecting in-conference improvement only. That would be because if you actually show the entire record as you should, it would mean your point would be debunked.

Do YOU understand?

 

[Consigliere]

Sure I understand you are selecting in-conference improvement only. That would be because if you actually show the entire record as you should, it would mean your point would be debunked.

Do YOU understand?

I understand, so let me change my post.

Conference Record

2011: 3-5
2012: 5-3
2013: 5-3
2014: ?

No actual improvement in conference record from 2012 to 2013.

Overall Record

2011: 6-6 (KSU, OSU, USF, and Bethune Cookman, OSU w/o Tressel)
2012: 7-5 (KSU, Notre Dame, USH and Bethune Cookman, the first two teams were in BCS games)
2013: 9-4 (Savannah State, FAU, USF and UF, the first three teams had a combined 9 wins)

Although there was actual improvement from a total win perspective, our OOC schedule was the worst it has been during the past 3 years. Simply by winning the OOC games last year we were able to improve the total amount of wins even though our ACC win total remained the same.

Can we agree with the above? No improvement in conference play (factually true), total wins improved as the competition fluctuates from year to year and last year was a down year (factually true).

 

[niner]

Sure I understand you are selecting in-conference improvement only. That would be because if you actually show the entire record as you should, it would mean your point would be debunked.

Do YOU understand?

I understand, so let me change my post.

Conference Record

2011: 3-5
2012: 5-3
2013: 5-3
2014: ?

No actual improvement in conference record from 2012 to 2013.

Overall Record

2011: 6-6 (KSU, OSU, USF, and Bethune Cookman, OSU w/o Tressel)
2012: 7-5 (KSU, Notre Dame, USH and Bethune Cookman, the first two teams were in BCS games)
2013: 9-4 (Savannah State, FAU, USF and UF, the first three teams had a combined 9 wins)

Although there was actual improvement from a total win perspective, our OOC schedule was the worst it has been during the past 3 years. Simply by winning the OOC games last year we were able to improve the total amount of wins even though our ACC win total remained the same.

Can we agree with the above? No improvement in conference play (factually true), total wins improved as the competition fluctuates from year to year and last year was a down year (factually true).

Sure we can agree the in conference record was the same, crystal clear.

So now onto the competition.

You include the records of the out of conference teams. Dont make excuses as to why we beat them , i.e beating OSU w/o Tressel. Because if you do, I can use losing our best players, but I won't. Our team beat their team, plain and simple.

Back to the point, you include the records of the out of conference team, which is fine. You do not mention the records of the in conference teams tho, why is that? Is it because just how you illustrated the out of conference teams were worse because of their records, the in conference teams win improvement would illustrate that they were better than the previous years?

Is the in conference schedule improving factually true?

 

[Consigliere]

Sure we can agree the in conference record was the same, crystal clear.

So now onto the competition.

You include the records of the out of conference teams. Dont make excuses as to why we beat them , i.e beating OSU w/o Tressel. Because if you do, I can use losing our best players, but I won't. Our team beat their team, plain and simple.

Back to the point, you include the records of the out of conference team, which is fine. You do not mention the records of the in conference teams tho, why is that? Is it because just how you illustrated the out of conference teams were worse because of their records, the in conference teams win improvement would illustrate that they were better than the previous years?

Is the in conference schedule improving factually true?

No, I didn't leave it out...you just missed the point entirely. The whole reason why I post just the Conference Record is because we play extremely similar conference schedules year in-year out (FSU, UNC, VT, Duke, UVA, GT and Pitt). Hence, that is why I used that as a comparison of actual results. From one year to the next, the conference opponents will fluctuate in ability but the actual opponents will stay the same in 7/8 games.

I get and acknowledge what you're saying, we went 5-3 in 2013 against a more difficult conference schedule than 2012. I agree, there is no argument here. With that being said, we still had ZERO improvement. We still lost 3 games in the conference in 2013, we lost 3 games in the conference in 2012. Congrats to Miami for losing 3 games in conference to more difficult teams!

So what is next for Miami in 2014?

So if Al wants to improve during the regular season in 2014, he will go 6-2 (Actual Improvement) and win all the OOC games. The only way to improve 9-3 is to go 10-2.

If Al goes 6-2 and 4-0 in 2014, he will have done so against a more difficult OOC schedule (@ Nebraska + Cinn > UF + USF). He will have actually improved the amount of wins both in conference and remained perfect OOC (against a more difficult OOC).

Are we going to Actually Improve in 2014? Or are we going to explain why we didn't Actually Improve? This is what this all boils down to in the end.

 

[CyberCane]

I love how people point out conference year over year improvement as if those team are static from year to year. The ACC had the second most players drafted of the big 5 and was darn close to the SEC. The other teams in the ACC were more talented than Miami last year, the year before that, and so on. Yes…elite coaches can win almost anywhere. However, even Urban Meyer was exposed after Tebow left…"A guy that could barely throw the ball"..same could be said in a lot of way about Ken Dorsey.

 

[westcoastcanes]

why are you guys arguing with the apex dip****s

 

[niner]

Sure we can agree the in conference record was the same, crystal clear.

So now onto the competition.

You include the records of the out of conference teams. Dont make excuses as to why we beat them , i.e beating OSU w/o Tressel. Because if you do, I can use losing our best players, but I won't. Our team beat their team, plain and simple.

Back to the point, you include the records of the out of conference team, which is fine. You do not mention the records of the in conference teams tho, why is that? Is it because just how you illustrated the out of conference teams were worse because of their records, the in conference teams win improvement would illustrate that they were better than the previous years?

Is the in conference schedule improving factually true?

No, I didn't leave it out...you just missed the point entirely. The whole reason why I post just the Conference Record is because we play extremely similar conference schedules year in-year out (FSU, UNC, VT, Duke, UVA, GT and Pitt). Hence, that is why I used that as a comparison of actual results. From one year to the next, the conference opponents will fluctuate in ability but the actual opponents will stay the same in 7/8 games.

I get and acknowledge what you're saying, we went 5-3 in 2013 against a more difficult conference schedule than 2012. I agree, there is no argument here. With that being said, we still had ZERO improvement. We still lost 3 games in the conference in 2013, we lost 3 games in the conference in 2012. Congrats to Miami for losing 3 games in conference to more difficult teams!

So what is next for Miami in 2014?

So if Al wants to improve during the regular season in 2014, he will go 6-2 (Actual Improvement) and win all the OOC games. The only way to improve 9-3 is to go 10-2.

If Al goes 6-2 and 4-0 in 2014, he will have done so against a more difficult OOC schedule (@ Nebraska + Cinn > UF + USF). He will have actually improved the amount of wins both in conference and remained perfect OOC (against a more difficult OOC).

Are we going to Actually Improve in 2014? Or are we going to explain why we didn't Actually Improve? This is what this all boils down to in the end.

Though the in conference teams are the same, in general, those same teams improve/decline from year to year as well. It is exactly why you have to look at both. Yes, the out of conference teams are different. But you are saying that even though they are different, it means less because this years teams won less. Well, in that case, it works both ways. In conference teams won more, so according to your logic, it means those wins mean more. I say again, your logic because I'm not of this view, I am looking at the whole season and ALL games.

No congratulations needed for "our" team for losing to more difficult opponents. I personally dont want to lose to anyone, ever.

2014 will be play out and we will find out. No sense in making any guesstimates on which OOC is more difficult. At this moment you are saying Neb + Cinn is > UF and USF because they haven't played. But if Neb and Cinn crap out on their own, its the same thing next year. "Ohh, look at how Neb & Cincy finished, they had such and such bad years, it doesnt count".

Look at it how you like, its not like I'm going to change your outlook, just like you wont change my outlook.

 

[Consigliere]

Though the in conference teams are the same, in general, those same teams improve/decline from year to year as well. It is exactly why you have to look at both. Yes, the out of conference teams are different. But you are saying that even though they are different, it means less because this years teams won less. Well, in that case, it works both ways. In conference teams won more, so according to your logic, it means those wins mean more. I say again, your logic because I'm not of this view, I am looking at the whole season and ALL games.

No congratulations needed for "our" team for losing to more difficult opponents. I personally dont want to lose to anyone, ever.

2014 will be play out and we will find out. No sense in making any guesstimates on which OOC is more difficult. At this moment you are saying Neb + Cinn is > UF and USF because they haven't played. But if Neb and Cinn crap out on their own, its the same thing next year. "Ohh, look at how Neb & Cincy finished, they had such and such bad years, it doesnt count". Or "Ohh, look at Duke, we beat a crappy Duke team and everyone considers it a big deal now".

Look at it how you like, its not like I'm going to change your outlook, just like you wont change my outlook.

Bold Part: Like I said before, the OOC schedule fluctuates year to year hence I would focus on actually improving record wise in the ACC. If Neb and Cinn crap out like UF and FSU (6 combined wins) than those wins (assuming we beat Neb and Cinn) will be crap wins. We should win against crap teams, like we should win against crap teams.

Underlined Part: The reason YOU look at both is because YOU'RE trying to explain why we didn't actually improve record wise. You're merely explaining why we were unable to improve in the win column in the ACC. That is it. 5-3 is 5-3. I don't believe in moral victories, hence I want to see actual improvement. If we go 5-3 against this year and the ACC SOS is better (UL > WF), I don't care. That will be 3 years straight at 5-3.

If the ACC completely craps out and the ACC SOS is terrible, I don't care. I want more WINS!

Here is my low bar...I want the following in 2014 (in this order),

1. Actual Improvement in the ACC (6-2, 7-1 or 8-0),
2. 10 Wins During the Regular Season, and
3. Win the Coastal

Make it happen, this is my POV.

Feel free to agree to disagree.

 

[niner]

Though the in conference teams are the same, in general, those same teams improve/decline from year to year as well. It is exactly why you have to look at both. Yes, the out of conference teams are different. But you are saying that even though they are different, it means less because this years teams won less. Well, in that case, it works both ways. In conference teams won more, so according to your logic, it means those wins mean more. I say again, your logic because I'm not of this view, I am looking at the whole season and ALL games.

No congratulations needed for "our" team for losing to more difficult opponents. I personally dont want to lose to anyone, ever.

2014 will be play out and we will find out. No sense in making any guesstimates on which OOC is more difficult. At this moment you are saying Neb + Cinn is > UF and USF because they haven't played. But if Neb and Cinn crap out on their own, its the same thing next year. "Ohh, look at how Neb & Cincy finished, they had such and such bad years, it doesnt count". Or "Ohh, look at Duke, we beat a crappy Duke team and everyone considers it a big deal now".

Look at it how you like, its not like I'm going to change your outlook, just like you wont change my outlook.

Bold Part: Like I said before, the OOC schedule fluctuates year to year hence I would focus on actually improving record wise in the ACC. If Neb and Cinn crap out like UF and FSU (6 combined wins) than those wins (assuming we beat Neb and Cinn) will be crap wins. We should win against crap teams, like we should win against crap teams.

Underlined Part: The reason YOU look at both is because YOU'RE trying to explain why we didn't actually improve record wise. You're merely explaining why we were unable to improve in the win column in the ACC. That is it. 5-3 is 5-3. I don't believe in moral victories, hence I want to see actual improvement. If we go 5-3 against this year and the ACC SOS is better (UL > WF), I don't care. That will be 3 years straight at 5-3.

If the ACC completely craps out and the ACC SOS is terrible, I don't care. I want more WINS!

Here is my low bar...I want the following in 2014 (in this order),

1. Actual Improvement in the ACC (6-2, 7-1 or 8-0),
2. 10 Wins During the Regular Season, and
3. Win the Coastal

Make it happen, this is my POV.

Feel free to agree to disagree.

Your sense of improvement is only in conference because it fits your thinking of no improvement. Unless those OOC games are lost, then they will count for your "no improvement" thinking.

Next time someone mentions we won more games than last year, like they did now, i.e going from 7 wins to 9 wins. And you want to say its not the case, just say "While true, the in conference wins did not improve, which is how I determine improvement, so this is not correct". Then you will have no discord.

 

[Consigliere]

Your sense of improvement is only in conference because it fits your thinking of no improvement. Unless those OOC games are lost, then they will count for your "no improvement" thinking.

Next time someone mentions we won more games than last year, like they did now, i.e going from 7 wins to 9 wins. And you want to say its not the case, just say "While true, the in conference wins did not improve, which is how I determine improvement, so this is not correct". Then you will have no discord.

Bold: This goes the same for beating a crappy OOC as well. There are some games where you just have to win and there is usually no accreditation for beating those teams (i.e. Savannah State, Bethune Cookman, FAU....basically any non-BCS team). That is why these games are gimmes because they only make a stink when you lose. These wins against these teams ADD to the total wins but no one really counts them because we're supposed to win. If we're beating BCS teams or Quality Teams (good wins), than we should be proud. Going on the road and beating Nebraska (likely will be an 8-10 win team) would be a good win. I think we will all agree.

Underlined: I don't dispute that we WON more total games last year than in 2012. I never did. The question is how you define improvement. We (you and I) differ on that definition of improvement.

I have done nothing, look at any of my posts on improvement, other than state that our in conference record remains the same. I don't really discuss the OOC schedule because it fluctuates so much year to year...I have said this for a long time now.

Like I said already (let me know if you agree with this?), the only way to improve during the regular season would be...

1. Actual Improvement in the ACC (6-2, 7-1 or 8-0),
2. 10 Wins During the Regular Season, and
3. Win the Coastal

 

[niner]

Your sense of improvement is only in conference because it fits your thinking of no improvement. Unless those OOC games are lost, then they will count for your "no improvement" thinking.

Next time someone mentions we won more games than last year, like they did now, i.e going from 7 wins to 9 wins. And you want to say its not the case, just say "While true, the in conference wins did not improve, which is how I determine improvement, so this is not correct". Then you will have no discord.

Bold: This goes the same for beating a crappy OOC as well. There are some games where you just have to win and there is usually no accreditation for beating those teams (i.e. Savannah State, Bethune Cookman, FAU....basically any non-BCS team). That is why these games are gimmes because they only make a stink when you lose. These wins against these teams ADD to the total wins but no one really counts them because we're supposed to win. If we're beating BCS teams or Quality Teams (good wins), than we should be proud. Going on the road and beating Nebraska (likely will be an 8-10 win team) would be a good win. I think we will all agree.

Underlined: I don't dispute that we WON more total games last year than in 2012. I never did. The question is how you define improvement. We (you and I) differ on that definition of improvement.

I have done nothing, look at any of my posts on improvement, other than state that our in conference record remains the same. I don't really discuss the OOC schedule because it fluctuates so much year to year...I have said this for a long time now.

Like I said already (let me know if you agree with this?), the only way to improve during the regular season would be...

1. Actual Improvement in the ACC (6-2, 7-1 or 8-0),
2. 10 Wins During the Regular Season, and
3. Win the Coastal

The next progression would be 10+ wins + winning the Coastal, we agree.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

You can add Urban Liar to that list. His teams over achieved from Ball St. to Utah and won 2 NC's at florida with a QB that could barely throw the ball.

Bowling Green?

Yes my bad. I knew it was one of those mid majors that started with a B.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

funny thing is people talk about lack of improvement but the record gets better every year he has been here, having said that this year the record should be better than what it was last year

Randy improved his first 3 years too.

Oh no he didn't.

 

[TreOFive]

 

[Miami82]

You'r right, the rest of the games don't count. Because if those other games were lost , no one here would point those out. That would never happen here.

Do you really not understand what I am getting at?

Seriously?

Sure I understand you are selecting in-conference improvement only. That would be because if you actually show the entire record as you should, it would mean your point would be debunked.

Do YOU understand?

You just can't fix stupid. Along with canealmighty niner has to be the dumbest **** on this board.