Manny & the Recruiting Process (formerly Earl Little Jr 1.0)

[Go Canes!!]

I feel what ur saying, & ur partly correct.

So explain this, w/ the data I’ve already provided regarding our recruiting.

Since 2010 we’ve had 4 first round picks

Since 2010, TCU has had 6 first round picks (their avg. recruiting class has been 34th in the nation during this time)

Since 2010, Baylor has had 5 first round picks (their avg. recruiting class has been 36th in the nation during this time)

Since 2010, OK St has had 5 first round picks (their avg. recruiting class has been 35th during this time)

Since 2010, UNC has had 6 first round picks (Ive already discussed their recruiting ranks)

Since 2010, UL has had 8 first round picks (their avg. recruiting class has been 40th during this time)

Since 2010, Wisconsin has had 7 first round picks (their avg. recruiting class has been 38th during this time)

****, even Boise St has had 4 first round picks (their avg. recruiting class has been 65th during this time)


So, no, we’re not bringing in Bama, OSU, Clemson, LSU type players, but we are bringing in far better players than the aforementioned schools & over the last decade, we’ve out recruited, yet they’ve out produced. How?

And let’s talk about the top 250 players we have brought in, only from 2010.

Storm Johnson - #40 overall (transferred)

Brandon Linder - #139 overall (3rd round)

Eduardo Clements - #179 overall (UDFA)

LaTwan Anderson - #103 overall (NA)

Sentrell Henderson - #2 overall (7th round)

Anthony Chickillo - #22 overall (6th round)

Kevin Grooms - #165 overall (transferred)

Jalen Grimble - #191 overall (transferred)

Dallas Crawford - #238 overall (UDFA)

Duke Johnson - #20 overall (3rd round)

Tracy Howard - #23 overall (UDFA)

Jelani Hamilton - #119 overall (transferred)

Tyriq McCord - #122 overall (UDFA)

Deon Bush - #125 overall (4th round)

Raphael Kirby - #146 overall (transferred)

Ereck Flowers - #157 overall (1st round)

Angelo Jean-Louis - #93 overall (transferred)

AQM - #48 overall (6th round)

Stacey Coley - #65 overall (7th round)

Kevin Olsen - #93 overall (life time pink eye)

Artie Burns - #98 overall (1st round)

Corn Elder - #191 overall (4th round)

Standish Dobard - #235 overall (transferred)

JRock - #250 overall (UDFA)

Chad Thomas - #25 overall (3rd Round)

Joe Yearby - #45 overall (UDFA)

KC McDermott - #46 overall (UDFA)

Trevor Darling - #93 overall (UDFA)

Brad Kaaya - #142 overall (6th round)

Anthony Moten - #166 overall (UDFA)

Kiy Hester - #237 overall (transferred)

Mark Walton - #83 overall (4th round)

JJ - #207 overall (6th round)

Bar Milo - #213 overall (Lost somewhere)

Sam Bruce - #84 overall (Living hoop dreams)

Shaq Q - #111 overall (4th round)

A Richards - #147 overall (career ending)

Jack Allison - #176 overall (transferred)

Joe Jackson - #215 overall (5th round)

Travis Homer - #240 overall (6th round)

Jeff Thomas - #40 overall (UDFA)

Navaughn Donaldson - #72 overall (TBD)

D.J Johnson - #74 overall (transferred)

N. Perry - #199 overall (transferred)

Trajan Bandy - #223 overall (UDFA)

From the classes of ‘18 - ‘20, we signed an add’l 25 top 250 players. 1 has entered the draft (most likely not a 1st round pick), 3 have transferred (Hightower, Lo & Jarren), and the remaining 21 are on the team, but likely will either be transfer candidates, or 5th - UDFA draft picks.

I bet u guys didn’t realize how many top 250 players we’ve recruited, b/c most these guys were deemed trash. THE UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI HAVE DONE LESS W/ MORE THAN ANY PROGRAM OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS. We have two 1st round picks out of a possible 70 top 250 players we’ve recruited in the last 10 years.

These r facts, not theories. So I don’t wanna hear about Bama or this program winning b/c of all these top players. I don’t wanna hear bout bags...if U’re a parent, and ur kid is a top player...under these current conditions, what are u going to do if u want the best maximum potential?

We’ll have two first rounders this year that will put us in the same range as those other schools. Won’t change a thing.

The reality is if you ain’t 1st you’re last. So when you’re mixing some ok classes with some great ones with some excellent ones you’ll have average results.

We’re just another team until we start hitting on multiple clases like we just had.

 

[Brooklyndee]

Like Chris Rock said, you're as picky as your options allow you to be. Sabag can stick to that formula of only picking from the cream of the crop because he created that sort of environment where that's possible. We haven't, and we're not even all that close to creating that environment.

It doesn't help that all the local guys **** talk UM all the time and make it seem like we should be eating the asses of every 3 star who shows any interest in coming here. The locals view UM as a safety school if the KKK belt doesn't want them. Then, when we don't offer the 4.93 forty WR with a congenital defect where his hands never grew from the size they were when he was 7 months old, all the local assh0les start the negative ****.

Agree on each and every point. My statement was initially made for that exact reason. People comparing manny to satan. As much as I respect and hate that program,it's literally the worst possible comparison in a lil of college football for us. We are 1 billion percent a safety school for the upper tier kids. It's the main reason we need to start hitting on developing the kids we do bring in. Because until we do that will always be the closing statement every single top tier school uses against us to steal out kids...

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

What if we recruit him super hard, and he commits when we're not sure we even want him to sign? Again, I'm not looking to defend Diaz because, if he really does want this guy, then he needs to recruit him hard like you have to recruit 5 stars or guys coveted by the KKK belt.

I think this is an excellent point, something that I was mulling over earlier.

This is just rank speculation on my part, because I really don’t know how high Little is on our board as far as cornerbacks, but bear with me here.

It may just be all about approach.

If our staff, which has probably gone through all the prospects and rank ordered them at this point, especially cornerbacks, is not sold on him, and has him lower on the board, with other prospects listed higher, again speculation on my part, there is a strategic component on how he should be recruited vs how someone like Saban can proceed.

If we go balls to the wall for Little, knowing we’re not 100% sold on him, and get commitments from our more highly rated cornerbacks, meaning we shouldn’t take him, what do you think happens in terms Little, his family, our reputation?

Which means we either take him anyway, knowing he may not ever start because we have two or three other prospects that we think are more highly rated which may create issues, but more importantly he’ll be taking a spot for another area of need.

Or we suffer a catastrophic loss of reputation and bad publicity by not signing him. As you said in another post, when we don’t take handicapped 1 stars from the 305 we already get a lot of shlt.

Now, Alabama can recruit him as hard as they want, and push him off to the side a week before signing day, or on signing day, and they get zero repercussions.

Zero.

You know that. I know that, we all know that. 305 ballers will still be lining up to tap dance for Saban’s Klan the following signing period.

They literally have no disincentive for recruiting whoever they want, when they want, and then doing whatever they want with them, they don’t have to follow up and sign them either.

Miami has no such luxury.

Again, this is just speculation on my part, pure speculation, but it’s food for thought.

 

[puertorricane]

That’s an insane response. First, I’ve been one of the loudest voices on the eval topic for 2 decades on these sites. Maybe the loudest. Second, this whole theory of a narrative here is your own bleeding emotions. I don’t give a shot about pushing a narrative - I want to see football success. Slurpers like you are the ones inventing the idea that critics are just haters. For 20 years the critics have been generally right and the folks who yap like you have come and gone, sounded the same, and never been right.

Stop talking about emotions and feelings, you dont know anything about me or wtf I feel or think. Stick to the topic, we already went through this on another thread.
You said then that is not about stars or anything else, it's all about evaluations.
Now you want us to recruit a kid because he's a five star, a legacy or because Saban and others are after him. You don’t even know how high or low he's on iur board but still push the narrative that we are doing it wrong cause Saban called him and Manny didnt.

 

[The Franchise]

Agree on each and every point. My statement was initially made for that exact reason. People comparing manny to satan. As much as I respect and hate that program,it's literally the worst possible comparison in a lil of college football for us. We are 1 billion percent a safety school for the upper tier kids. It's the main reason we need to start hitting on developing the kids we do bring in. Because until we do that will always be the closing statement every single top tier school uses against us to steal out kids...

Our recipe needs to be evaluations and then turning those evaluations into 1st rounders. We've never been the 5 star palace. When we were at our best, we were evaluating better than anyone.

 

[puertorricane]

Part of the evaluation discussion is that the evaluation has to be correct.

Even on that the board is mixed about how good Little jr is.
Maybe our staff is on the side that he isnt a must have. Only time will tell who is right.

 

[Angry Ibis]

Like Chris Rock said, you're as picky as your options allow you to be. Sabag can stick to that formula of only picking from the cream of the crop because he created that sort of environment where that's possible. We haven't, and we're not even all that close to creating that environment.

It doesn't help that all the local guys **** talk UM all the time and make it seem like we should be eating the asses of every 3 star who shows any interest in coming here. The locals view UM as a safety school if the KKK belt doesn't want them. Then, when we don't offer the 4.93 forty WR with a congenital defect where his hands never grew from the size they were when he was 7 months old, all the local assh0les start the negative ****.

Some of those locals are our own. ‘Twas a story of a local coach that **** on us... ended up here as a coach, couldn’t recruit...

 

[Cajuncane]

 

[Rellyrell]

We’ll have two first rounders this year that will put us in the same range as those other schools. Won’t change a thing.

The reality is if you ain’t 1st you’re last. So when you’re mixing some ok classes with some great ones with some excellent ones you’ll have average results.

We’re just another team until we start hitting on multiple clases like we just had.

Bro, the 1st part of ur statement is the problem; the last part of ur statement is reality. The middle part of ur statement is passive aggressive & unrealistic in this sport.

I think part of the slurp/mope divide is we’re talking two different languages. As a fan, I want national championship, of course, but fam....I just wanna be a competent Coastal Team right now. Is that so much to ask? And I’m talking about now, not some make believe hypothetical fandom wish upon a star thought that’s been had for 17 yrs.

The fact is, either 247 is completely wrong on every single top 250 rating that’s come through here since 2010, alone, or our infrastructure is f’d up. U can’t go 17 yrs winning The Coastal one time, while being outclassed by teams not remotely on the same playing field if it’s not an infrastructure problem.

This Earl Little thread is a microcosm. Earl may not be high on our boards, just like Sam Howell wasn't high on our boards, MJJ was. Just like TuTu wasn’t high on our boards. Just like Cook wasn’t high on our boards. Just like Shazier or Burgess wasn’t high on our boards. I can go on & on about “our boards” bro. Do ur due diligence.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Stop talking about emotions and feelings, you dont know anything about me or wtf I feel or think. Stick to the topic, we already went through this on another thread.
You said then that is not about stars or anything else, it's all about evaluations.
Now you want us to recruit a kid because he's a five star, a legacy or because Saban and others are after him. You don’t even know how high or low he's on iur board but still push the narrative that we are doing it wrong cause Saban called him and Manny didnt.

You are genuinely illiterate if that is what you take from this exchange.

 

[puertorricane]

You are genuinely illiterate if that is what you take from this exchange.

Just like I thought, have nothing to say so avoid the topic altogether and resort to insults like a little girl.

 

[Cajuncane]

Bro, the 1st part of ur statement is the problem; the last part of ur statement is reality. The middle part of ur statement is passive aggressive & unrealistic in this sport.

I think part of the slurp/mope divide is we’re talking two different languages. As a fan, I want national championship, of course, but fam....I just wanna be a competent Coastal Team right now. Is that so much to ask? And I’m talking about now, not some make believe hypothetical fandom wish upon a star thought that’s been had for 17 yrs.

The fact is, either 247 is completely wrong on every single top 250 rating that’s come through here since 2010, alone, or our infrastructure is f’d up. U can’t go 17 yrs winning The Coastal one time, while being outclassed by teams not remotely on the same playing field if it’s not an infrastructure problem.

This Earl Little thread is a microcosm. Earl may not be high on our boards, just like Sam Howell wasn't high on our boards, MJJ was. Just like TuTu wasn’t high on our boards. Just like Cook wasn’t high on our boards. Just like Shazier or Burgess wasn’t high on our boards. I can go on & on about “our boards” bro. Do ur due diligence.

Relly our problem is the board we use is like pegboard...plenty of holes in it._

 

[Ethnicsands]

Some of you spend your life looking backwards. You might want to be here and now. It’s not the same Miami. I’ll wait for the this years draft and next season to prove my point. For all you who will be posting “I told you so, after the season” , you’re welcome. It’s a lot of work and never ever can you not keep looking forward. In this life, it’s the difference between select and prime. Just my2, but I haven’t had a bad steak in as long as I can remember.

Loyalty is fine but logic has its own rules. The ‘this time it’s different’ story is rarely correct; and essentially never correct if you can’t make a credible case for it in advance. And the quality of the meat your swallow doesn’t change that.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Our recipe needs to be evaluations and then turning those evaluations into 1st rounders. We've never been the 5 star palace. When we were at our best, we were evaluating better than anyone.

This is exactly right. People seem to forget what got us to the top of cfb.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Even on that the board is mixed about how good Little jr is.
Maybe our staff is on the side that he isnt a must have. Only time will tell who is right.

Who here says he’s not worth a scholarship? Is there a single person on the board who thinks that?

 

[Dwinstitles]

I think this is an excellent point, something that I was mulling over earlier.

This is just rank speculation on my part, because I really don’t know how high Little is on our board as far as cornerbacks, but bear with me here.

It may just be all about approach.

If our staff, which has probably gone through all the prospects and rank ordered them at this point, especially cornerbacks, is not sold on him, and has him lower on the board, with other prospects listed higher, again speculation on my part, there is a strategic component on how he should be recruited vs how someone like Saban can proceed.

If we go balls to the wall for Little, knowing we’re not 100% sold on him, and get commitments from our more highly rated cornerbacks, meaning we shouldn’t take him, what do you think happens in terms Little, his family, our reputation?

Which means we either take him anyway, knowing he may not ever start because we have two or three other prospects that we think are more highly rated which may create issues, but more importantly he’ll be taking a spot for another area of need.

Or we suffer a catastrophic loss of reputation and bad publicity by not signing him. As you said in another post, when we don’t take handicapped 1 stars from the 305 we already get a lot of shlt.

Now, Alabama can recruit him as hard as they want, and push him off to the side a week before signing day, or on signing day, and they get zero repercussions.

Zero.

You know that. I know that, we all know that. 305 ballers will still be lining up to tap dance for Saban’s Klan the following signing period.

They literally have no disincentive for recruiting whoever they want, when they want, and then doing whatever they want with them, they don’t have to follow up and sign them either.

Miami has no such luxury.

Again, this is just speculation on my part, pure speculation, but it’s food for thought.

It sucks we get killed for one mistake while bama can burn a cross with a white hood on in his living room and nothing would happen. They would escort them politely out of the house then deep fake manny diaz face on the kkk hood and blame UM. Be on the front of ESPNs website the next day talking about why UM should ban football recruit visits.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Just like I thought, have nothing to say so avoid the topic altogether and resort to insults like a little girl.

It’s not an insult, it’s an observation. If you cannot process what we’re talking about, I wish you luck.

 

[Cajuncane]

It sucks we get killed for one mistake while bama can burn a cross with a white hood on in his living room and nothing would happen. They would escort them politely out of the house then deep fake manny diaz face on the kkk hood and blame UM. Be on the front of ESPNs website the next day talking about why UM should ban football recruit visits.

It’s amazing how those large dropped can cloud or hide all the things you will blame someone else for that doesn’t cloud your judgement with those same

 

[gogeta4]

It will be interesting to see what happens this year with some of the Freshmen we have coming in and playing time. I’m particularly curious to see James Williams and Arroyo, as well as the WR’s. I don’t expect much from Leonard Taylor given that he’s a DT and short of Brian Bresee type size and strength, it seems those guys need S&C time though it was mentioned that he could get some DE reps.

I think they can get creative and find ways to get James on the field for some reps a game. Im not expecting a ton of reps for Taylor next szn. The year after though i expect. I dont see him playing DE or taking reps at DE if guys like Elijah Roberts and Williams didnt get much reps there and he is bigger than them coming in. He will be a beast 3 tech for us though.

I think the wr spot should be open comp. Some guys need to sh*T or get off the pot. And i want those freshman challenging for reps. I think the 2nd year guys like Keyshawn Smith, Restrepo, Redding will be challenging for reps. SPRING will be really key. I think Rambo will be sitting someone down so know need to mention.

Arroyo by mid szn should see reps int he pass game

 

[Boarcane]

Loyalty is fine but logic has its own rules. The ‘this time it’s different’ story is rarely correct; and essentially never correct if you can’t make a credible case for it in advance. And the quality of the meat your swallow doesn’t change that.

Said someone who’s put zero into what’s happening in coral gables. I’d elaborate on the quality and depth of our last two recruiting classes, the fall of fsu, the gators mid-sec purgatory, our success in the portal, continuity in staff for recruiting relationships, money to move forward if need be, facilities, excitement surrounding the program with recruits and so much more you don’t live or see. Respectfully, if you think these are the Shannon/Golden/Richt years repeating themselves, you need to find another program. We might not be the old Miami, but we certainly are building towards it. We took five stars from Georgia and UF this year. Everyone, and I mean everyone returned to win more together. Ultimately it comes down to culture, athletes and depth. Like I said, you’re welcome. I’ll remind you of this next year and the decade to come. I harbor no bad will to you or anyone here. All I ask is that you look forward and see what’s happening. It’s a sight to see.