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Manny needs to clean house

#1cane said:
He took the job. He knew the problems and failed to fix them. It would have been better to win 3 games and be cancer free than win 6 and still have the cancer.
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You’ve got to be kidding me with this screaming hot take.
 
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Koke said:
If we go thru another offseason where the story is “Manny yelling at the team” cause they weren’t ready for practice, we’re in for another rough season.
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And in many instances that’s why guys need multiple recruiting classes to change the culture. The defense had issues, we have beat them to death, but at least they played hard in most every game.
The offense was 70% of the problem and much of that was culture issues in the locker room. Scheme played a huge part but these kids showed little personal accountability and didn’t appear to put j. The the extra work needed to fix the issues. Again it appears Manny recognized this issue and brought in a new qb, new OC, new ol/wr coach, and we got Williams out the door.
 
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I'm fine with a purge.. just have to remember we are already playing with 10 below the allowed roster size and over-signing isn't an option. Most of us would be fine with ripping off the band-aid if we had more faith with who's in charge.
 
Go Canes!! said:
We’ve already dropped a ton of dead weight and completely reshaped the QB room.

OC, OL and WR coaches also gone. Can’t reboot a team overnight.
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I hear u and while it's true what u say he hired that OC that OL Coach and that wr corch. So he makes mistakes on culture decisions as well.
 
Funny how all of the cancerous players are on one side of the ball.

Not sure Manny realized how bad things had gotten on the offense. Maybe he figured a hard *** like Enos was the solution? It clearly wasn't and the players lost all respect for him when his offense flopped. They've tossed a few bad apples. There's a few more who I wouldn't miss still on the roster but you can't just purge everyone. If Lashley can have some success on offense it will help.
 
Zombie-Cane said:
Needs to become Saban overnight?!?! You do realize in any organization, whether a business or football team, culture change is not something that happens overnight. It is a process. If you try to rush it or skip steps in said process, you are setting yourself up to fail. Manny noticed the change needed, and he is making the necessary steps. It is happening, but you MUST be patient.
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The problem is that if you have one bad apple soon the whole barrel is bad, and as you add new fresh apples they turn bad too. This is a team not a huge corporation. They are a small group dependent on and needing to trust each other. Manny's problem is already wasted is only grace year. He needed to ID the biggest problem and make immediate object lesson of him. Watch for reactions and cut loose anyone with wrong reaction. Then look around the room and ask who the **** wants to be next! Our problem is different, Manny is one of the bad apples but we can't fire him.
 
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Zombie-Cane said:
Needs to become Saban overnight?!?! You do realize in any organization, whether a business or football team, culture change is not something that happens overnight. It is a process. If you try to rush it or skip steps in said process, you are setting yourself up to fail. Manny noticed the change needed, and he is making the necessary steps. It is happening, but you MUST be patient.
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No you totally just get rid of half the people so the other half are left with zero morale and feeling like they're gonna get tossed at any moment.
 
lol. He and that jellyfish AD, BOTtles, and an apparently disengaged President are part of the "culture". Good luck with the "clean house" with the players BS.
 
Saltycane said:
Manny’s biggest issue in year 1 was being to lenient on the players. You can disagree with Richt but now we know the issue he was having with Williams immaturity and selfish players such as JT. Richt was trying to clean up the culture but Manny came in and brought the cancer back and let Williams quit and then when he needed him put him in the game. This shows the team your rules don’t mean chit.

any player that doesn't put in the effort or follow the rules should sit or be sent packing. Do not allow the Hightower’s or the world back on the team.

he needs to become Saban overnight and get things right before the end of Spring to have any chance. If he doesn’t we will be the same exact team next year.
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Saban waits for cupcake games to suspend players. Stop associating his success with him being this tyrant who doesn't tolerate anything. It's a fine line that all coaches have to deal with.
 
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Slippery slope for many new HC's. In most cases, they're expected to win sooner rather than later. If they have a culture issue and begin to purge players with an already short roster, they leave themselves at the mercy of that short roster. Damned if you do. Damned if you don't.
 
Go Canes!! said:
We’ve already dropped a ton of dead weight and completely reshaped the QB room.

OC, OL and WR coaches also gone. Can’t reboot a team overnight.
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Don't say that too loud. The so called realists will call you a slurper and stone you for it.
 
BYRDMAN15417 said:
Saban waits for cupcake games to suspend players. Stop associating his success with him being this tyrant who doesn't tolerate anything. It's a fine line that all coaches have to deal with.
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How many players has he let break curfew and skip practice because of "personal issues"? Bet they didn't start the next game
 
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X275 said:
There is no middle ground with most people
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Especially on this board, but the OP has a point. I think Manny came in with the mindset that he was gonna be "one of the boys" and have the players love him rather than fear him. It clearly didn't work. Now you can't go from that to ultra hard-a$$ overnight. He has to find a middle ground.
 
Trav said:
Especially on this board, but the OP has a point. I think Manny came in with the mindset that he was gonna be "one of the boys" and have the players love him rather than fear him. It clearly didn't work. Now you can't go from that to ultra hard-a$$ overnight. He has to find a middle ground.
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Oh I agree, I'm just making a joke that things tend to be black or white with most people when in actuality the right answer/mentality is somewhere in the middle
 
X275 said:
Oh I agree, I'm just making a joke that things tend to be black or white with most people when in actuality the right answer/mentality is somewhere in the middle
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Yea, I always found the best coaching philosophy was to start with fear and then when you knew you had the players' respect you could loosen up a bit. I think that was mostly JJ and Butch's philosophy. Randy Shannon's was mostly drill sergeant, or worse yet, constantly disapproving parent at all times. Coker was just I'll let the ship run itself, and then at the very end tried to be a disciplinarian. No one bought it. That's one of the problems with a rookie head coach learning on the job. Even more than recruiting and X's and O's and assistants, you have to manage an entire team. And we've got another guy learning on the job.
 
Mikep said:
When Richt was here all we heard from cis posters was that suspensions were bullsh it and if they are really good then they should be disciplined some other way. Now we hear that Manny is too lenient and the players get away with too much. Where is the middle-ground?
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Oh, you can certainly discipline without suspensions.

You make that punishment multiple times daily, and to the point where they'd wished they'd gotten suspended. Nothing like running your *** into the ground. Punishment to be sure. Misery to be sure. Cutting into your free time - you bet.

But. It simultaneously improves their wind, stamina and - dare I say it - discipline.
 
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