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Local or National? A look at Miami Recruiting (2010-2015)

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Liberty City El said:
The OOS recruiting argument isn't about one region being better than the other, it's about supplementing our lack of local recruiting with getting equally good players from OOS.

No one disagrees that South Fla produces some of the best players in the nation, there's no argument or debate on that... Here's the problem, They don't come here & haven't for over a decade now.

A heavy South Florida recruiting strategy has always been our attack plan & how has it worked out? It's Groundhog Day every recruiting season every year, "we gotta lockdown South Fla!", then what happens? The top talent from South Fla goes to UGA, Bama, Oh St, LSU, Auburn, UF, FSU & everywhere else but Miami.

So what do we do? Keep doing the same thing over & over again expecting a different result, or try a new strategy & see if we can yield some good results?

The fact is, the upper echelon South FLA talent does not give a shìt about our program & is not interested in coming here & that's been the case for a while, they're not going to seriously consider us until we string together multiple winning seasons & become playoff contenders, that's not happening anytime soon, so instead of chasing after disinterested players maybe we should try to get some kids nationally that may be more interested?

The recruiting strategy should be, find the kids who will sign with Miami & want to play for us, not chase after kids who will play games with us all year long, decommit at the drop of a hat & treat us like a $2 dollar prostitute.

I agree, that we should always be able to sign the best players locally, the reality is, we can't & we haven't, so we either settle for 3rd & 4th options locally, or try to make an effort nationally & find some good quality players that still have respect for our brand.

The OOS recruiting push is not one of choice, it's one of necessity.
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Agree. I'd add that we have to be smart with our time, money, and energy OOS. The priority has to be in areas that 1) have a high concentration of talent; and 2) are more likely to consider us. My order, therefore, would be as follows:

1) Houston (highly competitive region, but Texas kids are open to OOS. We see it every year. Houston area is the least culture shock of anywhere coming to Miami);
2) East Texas;
3) Atlanta Metro (a HIGHLY competitive recruiting region, and laden with SEC);
4) Virginia (also highly competitive recruiting, but less SEC than GA);
5) Louisiana (high talent, L$U looms).

Outside of that, I wouldn't advise more than cherry-picking attempts. There would be a lot of wasted resources.
 
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Liberty City El said:
I think the solution is to recruit locally with high character kids who will actually sign with us & not use us as a placeholder, combine them with a few risers from Central/Northern FLA, recruit TX, AZ heavy for QB's & any other prime position of need, find quality players from NV (Gorman, Desert Pines, Liberty, Henderson), East STL (ESTL, DeSmet, Trinity Catholic, Lutheran North etc), & the best we can get from the Northeast in NY/NJ,etc..
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National kids use Miami as a placeholder, too. Daran Branch dropped us as soon as he got SEC offers. Look at how Romello Height played us.

I agree with focusing on big cities out of state. There is less competition and it is a cultural fit. But we will have the same problems everywhere until we start performing.
 
DMoney said:
National kids use Miami as a placeholder, too. Daran Branch dropped us as soon as he got SEC offers. Look at how Romello Height played us.

I agree with focusing on big cities out of state. There is less competition and it is a cultural fit. But we will have the same problems everywhere until we start performing.
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Agree with that.

Coaches have to get a better feel for players that are gonna play us in the end.

Romello Height was one that was a massive mistake by the staff, it's one of the reasons why I never really make a big fuss to recruit Georgia, that one & the Jeremiah Holloman recruitment left me with a bad taste on recruiting that part of SEC country lol.

But it's become clear Texas is the move, everybody recruits TX, even programs like Stanford & Notre Dame recruit TX. Their best players aren't signing with UT & TAMU as much as people would assume. Bama, LSU & Oh St have made a killing in TX.
 
Did you restrict South Florida to just the Tri-county? Or did you let the boundaries run to Tampa or north to Vero?
 
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DMoney said:
My takeaway from the DB analysis is that Paul Williams was a disaster locally. But the WR numbers were interesting. Cager might get drafted and improve those numbers, too.
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So CIS claims Cager, when one of CIS’s own moderators won’t claim Gus? Now there’s an improvement that needs consistency.
 
Identify-->Evaluate-->Recruit-->Develop-->Produce

We have not consistently done a good job in any of the above. At this point, I'd like to focus on Player Development and Production on the field with whatever we have. It's not as hard to identify or evaluate as before, if we really suck at it then just do what everyone else does and offer guys with offers from known evaluators. Recruiting will improve once we start developing and producing.
 
DMoney said:
National kids use Miami as a placeholder, too. Daran Branch dropped us as soon as he got SEC offers. Look at how Romello Height played us.

I agree with focusing on big cities out of state. There is less competition and it is a cultural fit. But we will have the same problems everywhere until we start performing.
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It didn’t help that we looked like a bottom feeder program all year.
 
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Liberty City El said:
Agree with that.

Coaches have to get a better feel for players that are gonna play us in the end.

Romello Height was one that was a massive mistake by the staff, it's one of the reasons why I never really make a big fuss to recruit Georgia, that one & the Jeremiah Holloman recruitment left me with a bad taste on recruiting that part of SEC country lol.

But it's become clear Texas is the move, everybody recruits TX, even programs like Stanford & Notre Dame recruit TX. Their best players aren't signing with UT & TAMU as much as people would assume. Bama, LSU & Oh St have made a killing in TX.
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You can have more success recruiting south Georgia than the metro area. Kids are less dialed into the SEC. FSU lives there. And tons of talent too.
 
Coach Macho said:
We ain't getting ANYBODY elite, regardless of where they live, until we stop losing to mediocre a$$ teams and start stringing together respectable seasons.
These kids have zero faith in our program right now.

YOU HAVE TO BE GOOD AT SOMETHING to attract elite athletes!
You gotta be good at something to get the ball rolling.
YOU GOTTA SELL SOMETHING!

*Winning ball games! (nope)
*Development (nope)
*Recruiting/developing relationships?


WTF are we good at?
What's the reason to choose us over anybody in the top-25?
What do we have to sell? A resurrection? Hard to even sell that when you're losing to FIU.

At least if you're Mike Norvell or Dan Mullen you can say that you've won at other programs, but our staff can't even say that. Diaz is a first-time HC with the keys to a broken Ferrari that was stripped and gutted and rebuilt with Kia parts.

It's still got the Ferrari badges but it runs like ****.
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Managed to somehow convinces some studs last class now need to win this season and keep it going
 
This is a recurring arguement here and the only reason it continues to come up is due to the huge number of misses from the tricounty. If all the kids that bounce would stay then we could give 3 supersonic flying fcks about recruiting out of state unless the position we need isn’t here.
But since the local kids are being bought and any junior that even thinks he can be an udfa bounces then we absolutely need to be recruiting nationally.
 
Hoyacane1620 said:
INteresting stat from last night:

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This is why MIAMI needs to get out of FL for recruiting, invade these other states and watch the success on the trial!! Ppl expect MIAMI to dominate the SoFla area but time has showed THESE KIDS AREN'T ALL ABOUT THE U, SO it's time to invade other places..
 
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Tons of you guys do not understand recruiting & it shows.

Making an emphasis on OOS players is easier said than done...recruiting is hard & it’s almost impossible to do what y’all want without winning 10/11 games regularly.

OOS players aren’t tuning in to watch hurricane games unless it’s a national game broadcast.

& how are we to build relationships with out of state kids that you cannot drive & see? Text messages & phone calls? 🤣🤣🤣 What type of recruiting budget do yall think we have? We aren’t winning 10/11 games & generating the pay outs from major bowl games so who foots the bill for all of this OOS recruiting.

Imho miami should focus more on the athletes from the country parts of Florida like Auburndale, Lake City, Fort Meade, Plant City, etc

Auburndale has 4 kids with about 10-20 offers a piece...not one Miami offer.
 
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DMoney said:
The problem is the good national guys are even less likely to come here. And we've consistently done a bad job with OOS sleepers.

The only real solution is to play better with what we have.
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Exactly & hire better coaches.
& Usually those national guys aren’t really national. They’re out of state reaches bc we recruited miserably in state.
 
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DMoney said:
The problem is the good national guys are even less likely to come here. And we've consistently done a bad job with OOS sleepers.

The only real solution is to play better with what we have.
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this is 50% of this entire analysis, The other 50% is better coaching to make what we have better. Coaching during the measurement period was noy good
 
Liberty City El said:
The OOS recruiting argument isn't about one region being better than the other, it's about supplementing our lack of local recruiting with getting equally good players from OOS.

No one disagrees that South Fla produces some of the best players in the nation, there's no argument or debate on that... Here's the problem, They don't come here & haven't for over a decade now.

A heavy South Florida recruiting strategy has always been our attack plan & how has it worked out? It's Groundhog Day every recruiting season every year, "we gotta lockdown South Fla!", then what happens? The top talent from South Fla goes to UGA, Bama, Oh St, LSU, Auburn, UF, FSU & everywhere else but Miami.

So what do we do? Keep doing the same thing over & over again expecting a different result, or try a new strategy & see if we can yield some good results?

The fact is, the upper echelon South FLA talent does not give a shìt about our program & is not interested in coming here & that's been the case for a while, they're not going to seriously consider us until we string together multiple winning seasons & become playoff contenders, that's not happening anytime soon, so instead of chasing after disinterested players maybe we should try to get some kids nationally that may be more interested?

The recruiting strategy should be, find the kids who will sign with Miami & want to play for us, not chase after kids who will play games with us all year long, decommit at the drop of a hat & treat us like a $2 dollar prostitute.

I agree, that we should always be able to sign the best players locally, the reality is, we can't & we haven't, so we either settle for 3rd & 4th options locally, or try to make an effort nationally & find some good quality players that still have respect for our brand.

The OOS recruiting push is not one of choice, it's one of necessity.
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Preach. No one is saying to stop recruiting South Florida, but the plethora of local divas that we get caught up with on a yearly basis when we could simply go to Texas, Georgia, etc. and look for other players, has to stop. It's only worth focusing on S.Fla if we're getting out fair share of the top echelon of players, because CLEARLY this strategy of focusing in our backyard ain't working anymore. Go national.
 
We aren’t even recruiting Florida well enough. How do those Mullen kids all be leaving the state for college? One went to indiana and is balling out. He’s be a starter here. We need to get better at evaluating tampa coco creek vero and places like that. There’s another Mullen coming up so let’s see if we ***** it up again. And the Mullen thing is a microcosm of the whole thing. We need to get better at recruiting our own state ALONG with dipping into favorable OOS markets(AZ NV TX etc)
 
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