Let's talk about types of spread offenses (long)

[Klamalama]

why the fug was my post on this thread deleted? Here we go with that BS again.

It is quit easy to tell when someone has never had power or the ability to have a say so in anything. Particularly by the way they handle themselves when they do have a little of it.

Because it was a dumb, played-out GIF that added nothing to the thread.

With that parameter you could delete 75% of all posts. What is it with you guys? We don't need protection from dump prosts. We can deal with them.

 

[Canes21]

i'll be 100% honest i have very little time to watch miami games in depth.(I tend to just watch teams that run similar stuff that we do to get new ideas) So, I've only seen highlights, chunks of play, etc. but now that my season is over ill be able to watch more.

It'll take you under 4 hours to see all of our plays. Unfortunately, we're somewhere between disjointed and wildly predictable. At least we can't guess the plays based on personnel groupings anymore.

I'm not so sure about that.

 

[LuCane]

i'll be 100% honest i have very little time to watch miami games in depth.(I tend to just watch teams that run similar stuff that we do to get new ideas) So, I've only seen highlights, chunks of play, etc. but now that my season is over ill be able to watch more.

It'll take you under 4 hours to see all of our plays. Unfortunately, we're somewhere between disjointed and wildly predictable. At least we can't guess the plays based on personnel groupings anymore.

I'm not so sure about that.

I mean, last year there were certain sets that you could call run and maybe even the specific run. With Njoku and Herndon in sets lately, as well as the pass option in Kaaya's option read, there's more variety.

The scary thing is watching the 2nd half. Sometimes you see the same play run - just from the flipped formation. That's a bit like playing small ball HS football in Dade.

 

[Coach Macho]

on a side note...I hate the phrase "read option" its redundant. I have never heard of a run game scheme called the read...I've heard of zone, power, counter, etc (and tagging read to it).

OK. I'm off my soap box now.

if you dont score 35-40+ a game you arent winning a national title. i dont know how many times i have to say this.

not sure what this has to do with me not liking the phrase read option...but ok.

easier to score points why the spread. spread is higher scoring or SOFT as some have called it.

i guess you must be missing my point...I love the spread. I coach a spread O team. I just don't like the term "read option".

Where are you coaching at bro? I think you told me last year but I forgot.

 

[HurricaneVision]

Any offense that isn't predicated on the run game first and foremost will not win big in college football. You have to be physical and force the defense to play inside out to really maximize the larger hash marks in college football. The most efficient offenses will use tempo to dictate what they want from the defensive personnel on the field, and then look to exploit any matchup advantages they have.

I like Herman's offense better than Urban's- though they do share some similarities. Urban's offense relies on efficiency and can be shut down if they do not maintain that efficiency. Herman's offense has a more versatile base to it because of the way they use motion to force the defense to tip their hand. In college, the read is often identified simply by knowing whether the defense is zone or man. When you do multiple shifts the defense often times has to declare the type of defense they are in based on the players that react to the shifting. Michigan State has a defense that helps with that because they play a pattern match coverage most of the game. Of course, they also completely give that advantage away by declaring their defense even before you shift. If you identify the technique of the DB's ahead of time (press, bail, fire zone, press-bail, cover 3 with man deep, cover 3 with zone behind man) you can run man beaters all day and confuse them. Alabama also runs pattern match, but they run pattern match behind a 3-4 that is physical and stops the same inside-out offensive philosophy I talked about for the offense above.

I want an offense that puts pressure on the defense through tempo. I want an offense that dictates matchups and then exploits them. I want an offense that takes advantage of the hash marks in college football- this is the real advantage you have in college over pro sports. You can run the ball with the wide spaces you can force the defense to cover at the snap. I want an offense that focuses on efficiency, but throws the ball deep when you try to stack against that. I want a hybrid version of Briles and Malzahn because they both run the ball as the staple of their offense. Briles offense is quite a bit different than Malzahn's and is a little more susceptible to the elements, but is more QB friendly than Malzahn's.

Herman is the guy to coach us. His offense has tempo, dictates to the defense, keeps reads simple for the QB but is complex in how they force you to reveal what your defense is going to be, and they take advantage of the hash marks in college. But, he also preaches defense. This is the reason Urban wins like he does. His offense isn't transcendent. Urban wins because his offense is adaptable, focuses on running philosophies and allows the offense to dictate to the defense, but he wins BIG because of his emphasis on defense.

I want the philosophy of the coach we hire to believe in stopping the run, offensive efficiency next, and everything else after.

 

[Mico Jones]

I'm not stuck to Pro style but I still prefer it.

I prefer a pro-style with spread and West coast elements like Jimbo or Bobby Petrino run.

Jimbo uses FBs, TEs many times in his formations. Both of their offenses can run with power.

The Jimbo/Petrino West Coast elements cater to the type of QB South Florida produces. More athletic like TB than the big tall California drop back passer types. Plus down here we breed great Rbs and Wrs. Gotta take advantage of both. That's why I think the balance of a pro-set is best for SF talent.

 

[hollyhood27]

if you dont score 35-40+ a game you arent winning a national title. i dont know how many times i have to say this.

not sure what this has to do with me not liking the phrase read option...but ok.

easier to score points why the spread. spread is higher scoring or SOFT as some have called it.

i guess you must be missing my point...I love the spread. I coach a spread O team. I just don't like the term "read option".

Where are you coaching at bro? I think you told me last year but I forgot.

Godby up in tallahassee

 

[Coach Macho]

not sure what this has to do with me not liking the phrase read option...but ok.

easier to score points why the spread. spread is higher scoring or SOFT as some have called it.

i guess you must be missing my point...I love the spread. I coach a spread O team. I just don't like the term "read option".

Where are you coaching at bro? I think you told me last year but I forgot.

Godby up in tallahassee

That's right! :U5PyXda:

 

[TreOFive]

why the fug was my post on this thread deleted? Here we go with that BS again.

It is quit easy to tell when someone has never had power or the ability to have a say so in anything. Particularly by the way they handle themselves when they do have a little of it.

Because it was a dumb, played-out GIF that added nothing to the thread.

With that parameter you could delete 75% of all posts. What is it with you guys? We don't need protection from dump prosts. We can deal with them.

Klam...In their daily lives they are Indians...not chiefs. As a result they come online and pretend to be Chiefs.

 

[TreOFive]

why the fug was my post on this thread deleted? Here we go with that BS again.

It is quit easy to tell when someone has never had power or the ability to have a say so in anything. Particularly by the way they handle themselves when they do have a little of it.

Because it was a dumb, played-out GIF that added nothing to the thread.

So I take your respons as you calling me dumb...can you please assign an insult infraction? also I think your response is played out and adds nothing of value to thread...would you delete it?

See how dumb that rational is? probably not

 

[ghost2]

If you have time to watch, this is Dan Mullen (from his Utah days) talking about both run and pass concepts in his offense: Mississippi State Head Coach Dan Mullen: Spread Offense Run Game | James Light Football


Here's a link to basically the "print" version of that video: http://gridironchat.com/resources/Dan_Mullen_Spread_Running_Game.pdf

 

[gogeta4]

i'll be 100% honest i have very little time to watch miami games in depth.(I tend to just watch teams that run similar stuff that we do to get new ideas) So, I've only seen highlights, chunks of play, etc. but now that my season is over ill be able to watch more.

It'll take you under 4 hours to see all of our plays. Unfortunately, we're somewhere between disjointed and wildly predictable. At least we can't guess the plays based on personnel groupings anymore.

I'm not so sure about that.

I mean, last year there were certain sets that you could call run and maybe even the specific run. With Njoku and Herndon in sets lately, as well as the pass option in Kaaya's option read, there's more variety.

The scary thing is watching the 2nd half. Sometimes you see the same play run - just from the flipped formation. That's a bit like playing small ball HS football in Dade.

what the **** kinda coach you think coley is? lol....

yea our run game is wayyyyyyy to predictable...
I didnt kill Coley because i believe he has potential and is learning on the job essentially...and learned under a guy who imo isnt thatgood of a play caller either (Jimbo)...

But dude after his script runs out is bad...also our route concepts majority of the time are flat out trrible..at times we have 3 guys in a play that are essentially decoy/dummy routes...

Run game is downright terrible...has been all year....Havent seen a sweep ALL year...a play they used with Duke alot...that sh*t just vanished....IDK Lu.....what you think?