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What's everyone opinion on developing consist rivalry with team from different conference. Before Miami was in ACC we always had FSU as our non conference rival. But, now that were in ACC we don't have anything remotely close to that. Most of the teams in the ACC seem to a have bitter rivals in other conferences, so why do we? By developing a non conference rivalry would enhance the school brand and worth. Also, other school in ACC should do the same. Ones that don't have consist rivals with teams from other conferences.

BC------- NONE
CLEM-----SOUTH CAROLINA & AUBURN SEC
CUSE-----NONE
DUKE-----NONE
GTECH--- UGA & AUBURN SEC
FSU------FLORIDA SEC
L'VILLE---KENTUCKY SEC
MIAMI----NONE
NCST-----NONE
PITT------PENN STATE B1G 10
UNC------NONE
UVA------MARYLAND B1G 10
WAKE-----VANDY SEC
VTECH----NONE

Options - LSU, BAMA, TENNE, WEST VA, OHIO ST, MICH, RUTGERS, NORTHWESTERN, OKLAHOMA, TEXAS

BC--------UCONN OR ILLINOIS
CUSE------RUTGERS
DUKE------ STANFORD OR NORTHWESTERN
MIAMI------BAMA,LSU OR TENNESSEE
NCST------LSU OR TENNESSEE
UNC-------LSU OR TENNESSEE
VTECH-----WEST VA
 
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Ours should be UiF. I think it is pretty inarguable that, given the fact that UiF has ducked us, we do a good job of lining up high profile series. And we have a consistent game now with USF, which by your definition works.
 
USF series is not relevant to the nation or to the state Florida. But you are right about UF, from 88 and till the end of time they will always duck us.

FAMU & BETHUNE is more important
 
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You're gonna tell me Louisville-Kentucky or BC-UConn is anymore relevant than Miami-USF?

I get the point you're trying to make but with the way scheduling in college football works now it is not a salient one. You do not get rewarded for winning tough games OOC if you are in one of the Auto-bid conferences, and with parity at an all time high, the philosophy at most schools is "why bother?"

Hence, UiF voids our series...Notre Dame bails on Michigan....Texas and TAMU stop playing....etc.
 
FSU-Miami is one of the classic rivalries in college football. There is no need to just "make" a rivalry with another team. Plus, you don't just tell a team "hey, we're going to start a rivalry." That's not how a true rivalry starts. Rivalries are born out of pure hatred for each other.

UF-Miami, while maybe not consistent, is plenty big. And you're forgetting ND is going to be playing at least 5 or so ACC teams per year, and I would bet we are going to be one of those almost every year.
 
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all those are state or border rivalry's. Texas & A&M will continue the rival eventually, they just need some time apart.
 
Miami-USF is a state rivalry. By every metric you laid out in your post it satisfies your definition. It also kind of proves Legacy's point...just scheduling a team every year does not make it a rivalry. Our natural rivals are FSU and UiF, and the schools we became rivals with over time were Notre Dame, Boston College and Virginia Tech, with occasional flareups vs. Oklahoma, Nebraska, Ohio State, etc. If UiF bails out on us then oh well, what can you do except go for the next big thing?
 
So Canes are stuck holding on the the past. We should be looking to develop new relationship with other teams. We need to increase our exposure in country. Maybe, Nebraska Oklahoma would be better options instead of Bama and LSU
 
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What do you mean they are stuck in the past? Your posts are making no sense.
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What I am trying to say, is our natural rivals are FSU and over time VTECH. But we The Canes don't have out of conference rival that fans and the media look froward to. All it takes sometimes to build a rivalry is just the anticipation of big game on yearly bases. Playing UF 3 teams in ten yr span doesn't not do it. One may forget that bitter taste of defeat or can't reminisce on how much it means to win against your opponent.
 
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villain said:
legacy05 said:
What do you mean they are stuck in the past? Your posts are making no sense.
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What I am trying to say, is our natural rivals are FSU and over time VTECH. But we The Canes don't have out of conference rival that fans and the media look froward to. All it takes sometimes to build a rivalry is just the anticipation of big game on yearly bases. Playing UF 3 teams in ten yr span doesn't not do it. One may forget that bitter taste of defeat or can't reminisce on how much it means to win against your opponent.
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The media doesn't care if it is a in-conference or out-of-conference rivalry if it is a huge rivalry.

A UF loss will always sting because most of the fans of both teams are neighbors. There is hatred there, and the media knows it. They will hype that game.

You completely missed my point about ND, which is one of our big rivals. You must have missed the media coverage of it, and that was for an unranked and bad Miami team. Again, ND will stay an independent, and probably be playing Miami on a regular basis, even if it's not every year.

Looking at the rivalries you named:
Clemson-South Carolina --> older than time itself almost. Conference has nothing to do with it (both were in ACC too)
GT-UGA --> rivalry yes, but GT was trash this year so this game was not hyped at all
GT- Auburn --> didn't even know this was a rivalry. Do they play consistently? No. That one goes against your point
FSU-UF --> classic rivalry
Louisville-UK --> kinda irrelevant now. But classic BASKETBALL rivalry. Hardly hear anything about football game
Pitt-PSU --> haven't played since 2000 (another one against you)
UVA-Maryland --> We'll see how this "rivalry" holds up with Maryland moving
Wake-Vandy --> LOL at calling this **** a rivalry
 
I was just pointing out the outer conference rivals that some teams have in ACC. I truly loathe Notre Dame and I will carry the hate till the death of me, but the rivalry is not as heated as it once was. Due to the time apart and I doubt it gets that big because will only seem them once every 4yrs if they don't become a full members.
 
WAIT a MINUTE!

I grant you, I've been around the program longer than many here, but you gotta understand.

We may not PLAY Notre **** every year - but they ARE our most hated, cheatingest, most low-rent **** opponents Miami has EVER had.

FSU? They just like the other team in a pickup game.

UF? We've dusted their asses so many times, they have scars.

Notre ****? Lower than snake siht in a wagon rut. They suck more than a black hole. And due ENTIRELY to cheating - we'd have another couple National Championships.

FACT!
 
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A non-conference rivalry is moot. Rivalries, regardless of in-conference or out-of-conference will get recognition from media if they are classic or mean something (two highly ranked teams). To spread our brand, we just need to schedule at least one big OOC game per year, which we are doing. No need in forcing one a pointless rivalry when we already have one of the biggest in the country. Alabama's big rivals are Auburn, Tennessee, and LSU....zero out of conference ones. Think they need one? No.
 
Why not build a familiarity with just one out conference opponent. Just the 2000's alone the Canes have played Tennessee, Ohio St, Texas A&M, Kansas St, Colorado, Oklahoma and Florida. instead of traveling circus

wow you are right about the Pitt vs Penn St.
 
Because building familiarity does nothing to expanding the brand like you say we need to. Playing big OOC teams from around different parts of the country does that. Hype will be built around OOC games against big opponents, especially if both teams are ranked.

The biggest thing Miami can do to garner attention again is just win against whoever the **** we play.
 
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