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Josh Pate take on Mario

ST26 said:
Again, our program was a complete dumpster fire when Mario took over in 2022. Is there a coach in college football that could have turned our program around overnight? The answer is probably no. If you expected quick results, then you clearly have been blind to have bad we've been the last 15-20 years. We obviously all wanted quick results, but that was just so unrealistic. There is no denying that Mario is building this program to a level we haven't been to in a while. Go take a look at Michigan and Clemson's journey. It might calm you down
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The revisionist history is craaaazy lol
 

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ST26 said:
We were an average defense (at least) away from not only making the playoffs, but making a run. You wanna know what Mario did, he turned a weakness into a strength, as our DB room is probably the best in the ACC. He gutted almost everyone on the defensive staff, and got great coaches to join. I get you're unhappy with the process, but just let it play out lol. The foundation for a National championship team will always start from high school recruiting, not the portal. The portal is nice for filling some short term gaps in your roster. Mario will tell you that this is the most talented roster he's probably ever had as a head coach, so I'm excited for us to take that next step
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Of course Mario will tell you that. But I’d beg to differ last years team in that ALL IN year was more talented and what do we have to show for it? Saying we have the best DB room this year sounds a lot like last year and saying we had the best DL line in the country, and we didn’t, even with all the transfer additions. Not including the HS additions that we hyped this time last year that we hear nothing about now. Remember when McConathy ran Jayden Wayne off? Haven’t heard his name once this offseason
 
JADood said:
The revisionist history is craaaazy lol
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JADood said:
Of course Mario will tell you that. But I’d beg to differ last years team in that ALL IN year was more talented and what do we have to show for it? Saying we have the best DB room this year sounds a lot like last year and saying we had the best DL line in the country, and we didn’t, even with all the transfer additions. Not including the HS additions that we hyped this time last year that we hear nothing about now. Remember when McConathy ran Jayden Wayne off? Haven’t heard his name once this offseason
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Only 154 posts but these last two were on point. You should post more.
 
JADood said:
Of course Mario will tell you that. But I’d beg to differ last years team in that ALL IN year was more talented and what do we have to show for it? Saying we have the best DB room this year sounds a lot like last year and saying we had the best DL line in the country, and we didn’t, even with all the transfer additions. Not including the HS additions that we hyped this time last year that we hear nothing about now. Remember when McConathy ran Jayden Wayne off? Haven’t heard his name once this offseason
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Just because you don't hear his name being mentioned in the 30 minute warmup sessions, doesn't mean he's not playing well lol. Also, despite having a terrible defensive scheme, we still managed to finish top 20 in the country in Sacks and top 20 in rushing defense (incoming vomit emoji because this doesn't fit your narrative)

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Alex_Dynamix said:
He's actually trying to turn this thing around the right way n thats all i ask for at this point, if we can turn into a consistent winner we'll eventually get our shot at the big one and at least w Mario you know he'll do everything and fire anyone he has to to get us there. I feel much better about the future of UM football then i did when Manny and his BIO HAZARD culture was in charge.
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I don’t doubt the effort. He’s definitely putting in the work. This isn’t a collect a pay check and coast type of situation. I am concerned that he seems to be taking the scenic route from bad to good. The improvement doesn’t have to be so incremental these days. In fact most of the issues that have held them back were his own fault. The entire 2022 season was a complete waste of everyone’s time. Instead of trying to put together a staff, he concentrated on trying to salvage the 2023 recruiting class, which outside of a couple players was a huge bust. Most of the players transferred out after one or two years. Then he rushed to throw together an “all-star” staff that was one of the all time worst staffs at UM. Everyone on staff outside of the guys he brought from Oregon got fired or left after 2022. So the coaching hires flopped just as hard as the recruiting class. Then entire first year was an enormous waste of time and money.

As for the positives, I’m gladly no longer concerned that he is going to meddle with the offense or demand they play a certain style. We were aggressive and wide open last year offensively and that’s all I ask. The overall talent level seems to have improved. We’re at least no longer small and weak looking. This year is going to tell us a lot. It’s time these big name recruits contribute. You don’t get trophies for recruiting classes. It needs to translate to on field success this year.
 
Canezum5 said:
It's just sad to read a thread full of goal post moving, narrative bending, and a mountain of BS excuses.

The coaching the first 2 seasons was inexcusable and terrible. I dont give a flying **** about all that " culture changing, we're not other schools, the landscape is different. We over rated our talent " BS excuses yall come up with. It's absolutely positively unadulterated BS. Please stop.

Mario is a decent coach, I hesitate to say good. He has to prove it on the field and that's it. When he does, the criticism and reproach will simmer. Until then there is no excuse for what we've seen thus far.
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This. Crisis is graded on a curve in a way previous coaches weren't and I'm not quite sure why - despite the fact he's inarguably received more institutional support than any other coach we've had in recent history.
 
ST26 said:
Just because you don't hear his name being mentioned in the 30 minute warmup sessions, doesn't mean he's not playing well lol. Also, despite having a terrible defensive scheme, we still managed to finish top 20 in the country in Sacks and top 20 in rushing defense (incoming vomit emoji because this doesn't fit your narrative)

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Sooo you’re telling me the defense wasn’t as bad as folks love to hype it up as being? Cause I’m trying to figure out which one of those highly coveted DL we brought in out of the many, had a meaningful season? Baron? Alston? You could argue Barrow but that’s about it. Even the DBs. Powell was all the hype and had like 3 to 4 meaningful plays all season. I just don’t understand, the math ain’t mathin. Was the D generationally bad or good enough to achieve our ALL IN goals? Or wait, was Guidry and his defensive scheme just that bad?? If so? Why did Mario see fit to give him a raise at the end of last season??

And I beg to differ about McConathy. If he was playing well, trust and believe we would have heard his name AT LEAST ONCE!!
 
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DTP said:
As for the positives, I’m gladly no longer concerned that he is going to meddle with the offense or demand they play a certain style.
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Miami offensive running playbook consistent of only one running play and that was up the gut………that’s a Mario special
 
ST26 said:
Just because you don't hear his name being mentioned in the 30 minute warmup sessions, doesn't mean he's not playing well lol. Also, despite having a terrible defensive scheme, we still managed to finish top 20 in the country in Sacks and top 20 in rushing defense (incoming vomit emoji because this doesn't fit your narrative)

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Holy ****, man.
 
SinisterCane said:
Miami offensive running playbook consistent of only one running play and that was up the gut………that’s a Mario special
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We had a Heisman Finalist Quarterback who didn't run much, and we had the 27th most rushing yards as a team in the country. That's the highest number in at least the last 8 seasons, by a WIDE margin.

We averaged the 5th most yards per carry in America.

We averaged the 3rd fewest tackles allowed for loss in America.

Still though, we should probably continue to **** on the running game, offense, and philosophy.
 
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In 2022 fans were ****ed about being physically and mentally dominated by MTSU

Being told things like “patience” and “rebuilding” like we were some program coming back from the death penalty was absurd and completely missing the point

I see we haven’t come very far from grasping the basic concept
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
We had a Heisman Finalist Quarterback who didn't run much, and we had the 27th most rushing yards as a team in the country. That's the highest number in at least the last 8 seasons, by a WIDE margin.

We averaged the 5th most yards per carry in America.

We averaged the 3rd fewest tackles allowed for loss in America.

Still though, we should probably continue to **** on the running game, offense, and philosophy.
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we were third in the P4 in yards per rush after Kansas State and Notre Dame. Both of those schools rely on the quarterback run game as a base for their offense. We almost never called design QB runs but our running backs consistently got over 5.6 yards per carry. I don’t care if we don’t run student body right or wacky end around run plays as long as the results are good.
 
Here's the question for the Mario haters:

At the time, who else was both better and available, realistically, to take over the helm than Mario?

I did a quick google and found these names: It's probably too early to tell,
  • Brian Kelly to LSU
  • Lincoln Riley to USC
  • Andy Avalos to Boise State
  • Billy Napier to Florida
  • Kalen DeBoer to Washington
  • Josh Heupel to Tennessee
  • Steve Sarkisian to Texas
  • Lance Leipold to Kansas
  • Clark Lea to Vanderbilt
  • Shane Beamer to South Carolina
  • Jake ****ert to Washington State
  • Bret Bielema to Illinois
  • Tim Albin to Ohio
  • Sonny Dykes to TCU
  • Trent Bray to Oregon State
  • Brent Brennan to Arizona
  • Clay Helton to Georgia Southern
  • Manny Diaz to Duke
  • Mario Cristobal to Miami
  • Jay Norvell to Colorado State
  • Curt Cignetti to Indiana
It's probably too early to tell and I'm not sure how comprehensive or accurate this list is, but I don't see a whole lot of names I would rather have than Mario. Sarkisian? Heupel?

I remember plenty of the anti-Mario mob mentioning how Sonny Dykes fixed TCU right away because they made the playoffs and beat Michigan before getting destroyed by Georgia. They followed that up with a 5-7 season.

Ask the fans at USC, LSU or UF how they like their coaches. A few years after this list, DeBoer went to Alabama and he's not the most popular guy among their fans. My point is, the expectations by most fan bases (pobably all, but I'm leaving myself some wiggle room) are nearly impossible to meet. "Natty or bust" sounds really awesome, but it's not realistic. I'm also not saying that winning a natty shouldn't be the goal; it 100% should be. However a goal and an expectation are not the same.

If Mario can keep us relevant, winning 10+ games a year, I'm good and I think most reasonable fans would agree with that. We should win 10 this fall. Here's where I veer off slightly from others on the board - I'm not sure making the ACCCG is the true bar/expectation. Before you throw a rock at me, I say this because a LOT of the time in football or sports in general things happen that are out of the coach's control. The Cleveland Gary fumble in South Bend. The late flag from Terry Porter in Tempe. Multiple injuries. Yes, it sounds like an excuse and it kind of is. Kind of. However, if you draw back and take a wider angle view, you'll realize that by winning 10+ a year, statistically we will make the ACCCG more often than not and we will win our fair share of them. Essentially what I am saying is focus on the winning and let the trophies, awards, accolades and championships take care of themselves. 10+ wins is a fair expectation. It allows for a 9 win season here or there, but means that an 11+ win season should be in order as well. Now, you can throw your rocks.

Go Canes.
 
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Missed a conference championship berth

Missed a conference championship berth

Missed a conference championship berth.

A lot of excuses in this thread from the usual suspects. A spade is a spade. We’ve gotten better, but missed the mark each season. Every season has fallen short of expectations. There was zero excuse to not make the playoff last season given what transpired over the first 7-8 weeks.

That’s not to say Year 4 can’t meet or exceed expectations. Let’s see if he continues to adapt and learn from his past mistakes.

Personally, I think the spring portal window will be very telling both from where/how much we can upgrade, and how we approach certain positions…
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
We had a Heisman Finalist Quarterback who didn't run much, and we had the 27th most rushing yards as a team in the country. That's the highest number in at least the last 8 seasons, by a WIDE margin.

We averaged the 5th most yards per carry in America.

We averaged the 3rd fewest tackles allowed for loss in America.

Still though, we should probably continue to **** on the running game, offense, and philosophy.
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Miami knowingly ran into stacked 7-8 man fronts that didn't net more than 2-3 yards a clips then they would break 1-2 big runs
 
JADood said:
Sooo you’re telling me the defense wasn’t as bad as folks love to hype it up as being? Cause I’m trying to figure out which one of those highly coveted DL we brought in out of the many, had a meaningful season? Baron? Alston? You could argue Barrow but that’s about it. Even the DBs. Powell was all the hype and had like 3 to 4 meaningful plays all season. I just don’t understand, the math ain’t mathin. Was the D generationally bad or good enough to achieve our ALL IN goals? Or wait, was Guidry and his defensive scheme just that bad?? If so? Why did Mario see fit to give him a raise at the end of last season??

And I beg to differ about McConathy. If he was playing well, trust and believe we would have heard his name AT LEAST ONCE!!
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His name has been mentioned a few times, but you were probably too busy hurling darts at the Mario poster you got hanging in your basement to even notice
 
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