Joe Salave’a

[WeBallinBoyz]

Reading between the lines it ain’t Mastro

Confused here, unless you're alluding to BMac at RB coach...but then WR Coach? Maybe Briles, but he hasn't coached WRs since 2014, and I assumed he'd be OC/QB coach anyways.

 

[Genghis Cane]

Well as I said in the beginning of this I was gonna stay off of here & let y'all enjoy the process. I've stayed off but naturally convincing this crowd to sit back and simply enjoy something is absurd & other people simply disappoint me how much they need attention on here and can't simply sit back themselves. I'll say this, the people Mario has brought over from Oregon minus feld and to an extent salavea are ELITE... There's no discussion necessary behind it. Oline,rb & wr are simply ELITE hires. Salavea from my understanding became official because partridge was trying to start a bidding war between us and Pitt and Clint wanted a DC title(and honestly regardless of Clint being my brother and him being a former cane, he ain't it...) Salavea is a **** good coach but FAR MORE IMPORTANTLY his relevance to us is he keeps alive those west coast connections and even more importantly the ability to get some Tongans etc in here... There's strategy behind things that start with recruiting being what y'all usually die for. He's a **** good recruiter and he's a top 10 coach as well. I get some of y'all would like top 3 but is what it is. He'll do very well here and y'all will see he's elite compared to anything we've had quickly. Feld on the other hand I'm not crazy about. The other two coaches y'all have seen tagged in Williams and the secondary dude are support staff. So everyone calm down with the whole he's bringing everyone from Oregon (he's not) or any sub par thing cause only position coaches he's brought in from there have been elite. What really matters is the coordinator hires which I have a feeling y'all should like. I do so simply chill out.

Who would you prefer? Feld or Feeley?

 

[supersaiyanshel]

Can someone please explain to me what elite is?

This post is confusing. So you'd be skeptical about the hiring of Joe as DL coach.

But then you go and praise Michigan's DL coach, Shaun Nua. Nothing in this guys' resume would have gotten you excited about the hire back in 2019. Obviously now it's clear to see Nua is a legit DL coach but back then there would have certainly been some question marks.

• Navy (2012–2017)
  Defensive line coach
• Arizona State (2018)
  Defensive line coach
• Michigan (2019–present)
  Defensive line coach

Cincinnati DL coach, Greg Scruggs, had 0 college coaching experience prior to being promoted to DL coach in 2020. Zero.

There's a lot of selective indifference that I'm seeing with some of these posts. The guy can recruit. His Washington State DLs were very good especially with Grinch in 2016 (several all conference players there with Darryl Paulo and Destiny Vaeao).

He's about to have a potential #1 pick in Thibodeaux. Thibs, Dorlus, and Popu were all first team Pac 12. Sewell was as well and only reason he's in Oregon is because of Joe. And he also had a beast of a DL 2022 class signing prior to Mario.

I like Partridge. Originally I wanted him more than Joe. Pitt's DL produces but as far as NFL talent Partridge hasn't done much recently. And the more I think about it, the more upside I see in Big Joe. The guy singlehandedly built the Polynesian pipeline into WSU and continued that at Oregon. Interesting quotes below:

"As a coach, Salave’a developed all-conference defensive linemen such as Darryl Paulo and Destiny Vaeao, who is with the Philadelphia Eagles. He created a recruiting pipeline between WSU and American Samoa, where Salave’a was born, landing native Samoans such as Robert Barber, Shalom Luani, Vaeao and others.

Even more so than most assistant coaches, Salave’a had a paternal role for the players he recruited, many of whom were living far from home and unable to see their families for years at a time.

At various points throughout his four years at WSU, Salave’a made comments that he had a duty to shepherd those players he recruited through college and ensure they graduated. Because he is widely respected in coaching circles he had opportunities to leave, and reportedly turned down overtures from USC and Washington."

"A Leone, American Samoa, native, Salave’a has been praised for his efforts in connecting with Samoan youth. He was also integral in recruiting over a dozen Samoan players to WSU."

"At WSU, he helped to improve the Cougars’ defensive line in pass rush and rush defense. WSU finished the 2016 season ranked No. 29 nationally in run defense at 134.23 yards a game. Salave’a was due to make $400,000 at Washington State in 2017."

How is it confusing, Sir? Scruggs and Nua in less time with a smaller sample size have produced a better product recently than JS. And the point of bringing them up was in response to the post I was quoting about big names to produce a legit DL unit. I wouldn't exactly call those 2 big names that roll off the tongue when you're rattling off DL coaches (Scruggs is barely out the league).

And what selective indifference? L:iterally in my first post here I said he was a good recruiter (but, on the DL he could be better. Good, but not great). There's levels to it. I've been consistent all along: he is in that second tier of DL coaches.

KT is an animal -- he would've been a beast anywhere most likely -- but credit the coach here. But you're telling me, over a decade plus in the game for supposedly one of the great DL coaches in all of cfb, and you're just now putting a first rounder into the league? Who was his best pro product before then? Maybe Cooper at WSU?

Urban Meyer used to do a thing where he'd go to a recruits house and tell them how much money his position coaches ex-players are collectively making in the NFL. It was something astounding for Larry Johnson. Now., I'm not silly enough to think Larry Johnson's fall out of trees. But Joe Salave'a's? Nothing elite.

Good point about Partridge's recent NFL success, but ****, just Twyman, Jones, and Weaver is more than Big Joe's recent output (obvious that'll change with this draft and KT).

We don't have to agree. As always, we'll let the results tell us the story. I'm not expecting anything more from him than what was at Oregon, which was not championship level. If I'm wrong, I'll happily cop to it. It's all love my guy.

 

[Paranos]

Someone mentioned each of our last 3 DL were better than Salave'a. I disagree. Kul was a good coach but expected the players to be professionals so wouldn't push them. And he hated recruiting. Stroud was a high energy guy, a players coach, but wasn't great at either recruiting or coaching. Not sure how much players respected him enough to push themselves in training. Simpson ... man, I thought Simpson would be "that guy". But he was a bust in recruiting, and wasn't hard enough on the players to drive them to be there best.

None were bad coaches. But none recruited well. Culture across the line was not intense and gritty enough.

Salave'a is Mario's guy, and will be a relentless recruiter like Mario. So we know we're getting a talent increase. He also defines intensity, so we know our guys will put in the work. I haven't gone back to watch Oregon film to tell how good he is developmentally and schematically as a coach. But the fact he's getting 3 stars into the top rankings of the Pac 10 suggests he's at least good at it.

So for me -- top talent, great preparation and culture, at least adequate development is a big step up.

He took 0* DT Jordan Scott from pinellas park, fl an made him a freshman All American at flipping NT. Also I was a big a Jordan Scott fan coming out of HS.




Coach Saleve'a also made 3* DT Brandon Dorlus from DBHS a All PAC12 dlinemen this year.

Brandon Dorlus - Football - University of Oregon Athletics

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Go Canes

 

[tsimonitis]

Confused here, unless you're alluding to BMac at RB coach...but then WR Coach? Maybe Briles, but he hasn't coached WRs since 2014, and I assumed he'd be OC/QB coach anyways.

No alluding to anyone in particular. Just that it doesn’t read as if Mastro is the guy

 

[Rellyrell]

ECW was so **** entertaining. Felt like you were seeing something you shouldn't have been seeing. Those RVD vs Jerry Lynn matches were some of my favorite in that promotion.

Bro, remember it like it was yesterday…was in HS at the time, and I had mono like every other ninja at my school messing w/ these hoes. Lol. I couldn’t sleep, and I had just finished watching Jerry Springer late night. My finger accidentally turned to some obscure channel, like hella fuzzy but clear enough. The FIRST THING I saw was this:

 

[ChinstrapCane]

Tell me that there would be a better tag team than Mario and Joe Salave'a. These two would kick the crap out of any other coaching duo in the land.

 

[Gi0logy]

he is in that second tier of DL coaches.

I'd love to see your tiered list of DL coaches.

 

[Damiencane86]

Bro, remember it like it was yesterday…was in HS at the time, and I had mono like every other ninja at my school messing w/ these hoes. Lol. I couldn’t sleep, and I had just finished watching Jerry Springer late night. My finger accidentally turned to some obscure channel, like hella fuzzy but clear enough. The FIRST THING I saw was this:

Lol Francine and all the other ECW broads were a unique breed. I saw Hardcore Heaven 97 on an illegal ppv hookup and thought .........never seen anything like this before, I was 11 at the time.

 

[Cribby]

I mean not many more out there besides mastro, chance, and williams. So expect all of them to be added?

When I was on the CL show it was before anyone other than Mirabal was hired. When i said there'd likely be more Oregon coaches coming I meant Salivea, McClendon , Mastro , maybe chance and Williams . So it's likely half the on field staff will be his guys from Oregon. Maybe some of them going to off field and possibly more off field coaches coming from Oregon.

Not sure if everyone was expecting a dream team staff because of Miami spending money but that's a good staff. Thats before including the coordinators. The coordinators , analysts and support staff is an area I expect Mario to dramatically improve things. People are forgetting that area and how important if is. All the money isn't just going to on field coaches. Analysts is something to watch going forward.

 

[Cribby]

The part about the staff that is interesting to me is that as fans we heard $8m budget and assume we will just pick the 10 most elite names and that’ll be it. Mario has to have comfort knowing his coaches will be doing their jobs and as such will fill half the staff with names he’s most comfortable with.

What we do know is that our OL and DB hires seemingly will be elite in Mirabal and TRob. If Chance is brought in as CB coach then that again is a very strong hire.

On the DL Salave’a seems to have everything we need to make sure the DL is playing with energy and technique, I think this would be another strong hire. I agree having a DE coach would be nice but because Mario doesn’t call plays we will run out of positions quickly if we double up with coaches in the secondary and the DL.

Finally, go check the coaching staff rosters of the even just the playoff teams - you’ll see that every team including Bama has 3-4 coaches that could have assumed they could have done better with bigger names. I trust Mario will build a staff that can help him to win the Coastal year in and year out which is what we need at this point to get back on track as a program.

What I am most curious about outside of the OC/DC hire is the support staff behind the scenes as we know UM hasn’t had much outside of Shoop recently and we need to become a place where strong football minds in between jobs come to refine their crafts also.

This!!

Support staff / analysts is one area big boy programs have a huge advantage.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

As a pure DLC, I'd definitely take Kul over Stroud & Salave'a, but Kul's recruiting leaves a lot to be desired. And remember Stroud's D-Line is the one that gave up historical rushing numbers vs UNC.

Kul's career has tanked. Saban figured it out rather quickly.

 

[k9cane]

When I was on the CL show it was before anyone other than Mirabal was hired. When i said there'd likely be more Oregon coaches coming I meant Salivea, McClendon , Mastro , maybe chance and Williams . So it's likely half the on field staff will be his guys from Oregon. Maybe some of them going to off field and possibly more off field coaches coming from Oregon.

Not sure if everyone was expecting a dream team staff because of Miami spending money but that's a good staff. Thats before including the coordinators. The coordinators , analysts and support staff is an area I expect Mario to dramatically improve things. People are forgetting that area and how important if is. All the money isn't just going to on field coaches. Analysts is something to watch going forward.

a staff full of recruiters, with competent coordinators, that's my dream staff

I expect Mario to get a staff with guys he's comfortable with.

 

[AZHurricane]

Bro, remember it like it was yesterday…was in HS at the time, and I had mono like every other ninja at my school messing w/ these hoes. Lol. I couldn’t sleep, and I had just finished watching Jerry Springer late night. My finger accidentally turned to some obscure channel, like hella fuzzy but clear enough. The FIRST THING I saw was this:

Been reading @thefranchise posts for almost 20 years and never knew where the name came from

 

[Zbrod95]

Pardon my ignorance but who is Smith?

Dennis Smith. Supposed to be coming as an analyst and worked with Mario at FIU.

 

[Rickd]

When I was on the CL show it was before anyone other than Mirabal was hired. When i said there'd likely be more Oregon coaches coming I meant Salivea, McClendon , Mastro , maybe chance and Williams . So it's likely half the on field staff will be his guys from Oregon. Maybe some of them going to off field and possibly more off field coaches coming from Oregon.

Not sure if everyone was expecting a dream team staff because of Miami spending money but that's a good staff. Thats before including the coordinators. The coordinators , analysts and support staff is an area I expect Mario to dramatically improve things. People are forgetting that area and how important if is. All the money isn't just going to on field coaches. Analysts is something to watch going forward.

If the OC and DC are Briles / Schumann .. with the staff outlined .. the top to bottom on field coaching / recruiting staff will be the best in the ACC .. period. THEN you add several high quality analysts on each side of the ball .. and now you're into SEC level GAME PLANNING AND PLAYER EVALUATIONS. I recall Orgeron stating "man, we played Bama and I couldn't believe how prepared they were .. then knew more about OUR tendencies than we did .. immediately after that game we knew we needed more "analysts" to help with detailed game planning".

 

[HurricaneU]

I know this. Mario isn’t bringing on people right now just to fill open desks. He is locking in people he trusts to execute on the line and by extension, recruiting.

 

[grover]

It’s not reality. We’re not getting that level all over the place like Bama who has an OL Coach that was an NFL Head Coach and analysts who could make a top level coaching staff themselves. No one has their advantages. Not even UGA. We’ll be close to the upper echelon after that. There have been efforts made with a variety of potential coaches. This guy’s a really good addition.

I actually expect us to get to that level over the next few years. Once we start winning games again, the city will rally around the team, start buying gear and attending games, and the money will be there. Just need time.

That said, I'm not sure an NFL OL coach is what we need. We need a recruiter first and foremost, we need a relentless high energy coach who can get the most out of his kids secondly, we need a guy who is always in alignment with his DC so the team plays as a unit, and only then do we really need the most superior developer out there. I want someone who has all those traits. But not sure he exists. So I'll take 1+2 as a good start.

 

[insaneinthecane]

I’ll comment on Joe later, as I lol/smh on some of these post, but I’ve been to a lot of live wrestling action, and I posted on here a clip of my uncle doing a promo for WWF, so I’ve had close interactions w/ several wrestlers.

ECW turned wrestling upside down, including Shane Douglas introducing it to the masses w/o NWA execs knowing. They did things that revolutionized wrestling; bring back yard wrestling into mainstream. My boy went to a live taping & said it was the best chit ever; fans were encouraged to riot, music blaring during matches. Lol. WWE messed up everything. When they monopolized everything, they became lazy.

I personally enjoy AEW which has re-established wrasslin. They can clean it up a bit w/ some storylines, but I like how other promotion belts can be up for grab & vise versa.

I had a buddy who worked security for events when they would blow into town back in the day. One day out of nowhere he calls me and says ECW is short on security for a show that was taking place that same night. Something about the fire Marshall telling them they needed more bodies for the event. Dude asked me if I wanted in. Lol. I was like **** yeah I want in.
I called in sick and showed up for work at this small arena in Kissimmee at around 4 pm and they gave me a shirt and pretty much told me where I needed to be at a certain time and that was it. It was insane. I got to see all of the wrestlers in their element before during and after the show. I got to chop it up with Shane Douglass, Dreamer, Tommy Rich, The Dudly's, RVD and a few others before the show. Those cats were so down to earth. It seemed like they were having the time of their life. Looked they had free reign to put this show on the way they wanted to. The wrestlers were definitely in charge.
My job that night was ring side security. I posted up at the rail and pretty much let everyone do WTF they wanted. Best seat I've ever had at a pro wrestling event. Thinking back, I don’t think they paid me and I didn't even care. Great night and one I'll never forget. So much crazy **** happened at that show. It got hairy a few times when they were ***ing each other up outside the ring. Definitely had to stay on my toes.

 

[grover]

I agree with most of this post… I’m curious where you got this from?

The DL was the most technically sound this year then they’ve been in a long time. Remember when CIS said Mccloud should just hang it up, but then lead the team in sacks? Lol

I don’t think Jess is a crazy great recruiter anyway, but we all know what he walked into this year.

It may be an overreaction. I just expected more from Harvey, Nesta, JHH, Chantz and Elijah. I was really surprised at their lack of production. I know they're not first rounders. But I thought all had NFL qualities and should have been much better. So I assumed that's because Simpson couldn't get them to play tough enough, since as you point out he's a pretty technically sound position coach. What explanation would you give?