Jimbo Fisher on NFL Network - What does it mean for us?

Pre-Jameis --- Corch, Dumbo

Jameis -- Miami fans slurping him

Way to address the substance I noted in my post. There isn't any slurping. He mentioned specific things I think are important.

I don't disagree with you or Jimbo.

Doesn't change he is the same guy that had Ponder and Manuel and Miami fans laughed at him. Now he has the Heisman winner, the D was locked in and Jimbo looks like a genius, and because everyone hates our coach, a group of our fans are slurping Jimbo.

Processing information, anticipation and accuracy is not unheard of information or goals for a good quarterback or a good football player. If a Miami coach says they are looking for high football IQ players that gets translated into Miami wants to be Wake Forest.

And, in my original post, I noted that having the QB is important. While these things are not "unheard of information or goals," they are emphasized to varying degrees by different staffs - for QBs, units and teams. A Miami coach can "say" whatever they'd like in terms of what they are looking for (high football IQ players in your example), but I prefer to look at what we're doing on the field. Is it backed up by any evidence? At one end of spectrum, you have cutting edge aggression. At the other end, you have a conservative approach (more than just scheme, but about philosophy that trickles to all decisions).

I'm not saying or expecting to be at the cusp of innovation (though it'd be nice to see). I'm saying I'd like to see us move away from the conservative end. Maybe they did that because of an undeniable lack of talent at spots. I don't know. Maybe that's just their DNA.

Seems you're trying hard to make this into a slurper vs. detractor thing. The thread was aimed at being about what we focus on versus what other coaches focus on. And, what that means for us going forward.

Every thread turns into a slurper/detractor thread. I'm not the one who controls that nonsense. I do find it interesting that you would think this thread would lead in any direction but an anti-Golden vs. excuse maker thread when comparing the coach of the defending national champs with the coach that a majority of the most vocal posters don't like.

My commentary is related to Jimbo. Up until FSU won it last year, the jury was still out on him being a coach or a corch -- waaaaay out. He has been able to amass quality talent for years, and waste it. Until last season.

His commentary on what is important for a QB makes perfect sense. Unfortunately our OC is facing a "burden", our QBs are young or hurt and our defense still lacks the line playmakers and depth that allow for some of FSU's innovation/aggression.

How was he wasting talent?

Ponder didn't have a single offensive player from his team drafted. Ponders 2007 recruiting class was a disaster. Yet even with Ponder getting injured, FSU made it to the ACC championship in Season 1.

Fishers second season with EJ, FSU won 9 games after losing 8 OL (including 3 starters) to injuries in a freak season, and when EJ got injured FSU lost 3 in a row. OL went from a joke to likely sending 4 starters into the league next year.

FSU went from 7 mostly late round picks Fishers first 2 seasons, to a record 18 picks the last two seasons (with another 8-9 coming in 2015).

He clearly knows how to build a program.

I can agree that he isn't a "doing more with less" type of offensive genius, but like Saban his plan is simply to recruit the best players.

Not sure how UM fans were laughing while getting whooped by JimBo every single season.

The best coaches get the best players. Saying Urban Meyer was only good because he signed Tebow is a silly way to discredit a coach.

Signing a Winston or Percy Harvin is part of being an elite college coach.

Also, Jimbo has learned from mistakes.

His first offensive staff had limited experience. Guys like Coley and D Craig were ace recruiters but had limited experience, and Fisher took over too many responsibilities. Stoops fixed the fundamental problems with the defense, but he and Fisher got into heated arguments over the lack of aggressive defense, the LB coach Greg Hudson was a drug addict.

Fisher clearly learned from those mistakes with time. His second staff has guys with decades of experience, and he has been able to delegate more.

The question is if Golden can do the same. Hiring Coley was a huge mistake though.
 
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Pre-Jameis --- Corch, Dumbo

Jameis -- Miami fans slurping him

Way to address the substance I noted in my post. There isn't any slurping. He mentioned specific things I think are important.

I don't disagree with you or Jimbo.

Doesn't change he is the same guy that had Ponder and Manuel and Miami fans laughed at him. Now he has the Heisman winner, the D was locked in and Jimbo looks like a genius, and because everyone hates our coach, a group of our fans are slurping Jimbo.

Processing information, anticipation and accuracy is not unheard of information or goals for a good quarterback or a good football player. If a Miami coach says they are looking for high football IQ players that gets translated into Miami wants to be Wake Forest.

And, in my original post, I noted that having the QB is important. While these things are not "unheard of information or goals," they are emphasized to varying degrees by different staffs - for QBs, units and teams. A Miami coach can "say" whatever they'd like in terms of what they are looking for (high football IQ players in your example), but I prefer to look at what we're doing on the field. Is it backed up by any evidence? At one end of spectrum, you have cutting edge aggression. At the other end, you have a conservative approach (more than just scheme, but about philosophy that trickles to all decisions).

I'm not saying or expecting to be at the cusp of innovation (though it'd be nice to see). I'm saying I'd like to see us move away from the conservative end. Maybe they did that because of an undeniable lack of talent at spots. I don't know. Maybe that's just their DNA.

Seems you're trying hard to make this into a slurper vs. detractor thing. The thread was aimed at being about what we focus on versus what other coaches focus on. And, what that means for us going forward.

On the offensive side of the ball I don't think we focus on anything. I don't think golden or coley have a philosophy of what it is they want to do or achieve on offense. On the defensive side of the ball it's a conservative "keep everything in front of you, don't beat yourself" type of philosophy. From observing the golden era there doesn't seem to be any cohesion between the offense and defense. Each unit plays separate from the other and I've yet to see a solid philosophy on either side of the ball. Other than the defense playing not to lose I don't know what it is golden is trying to do on either side of the ball and it looks like a hot mess at this moment in time.
 
Way to address the substance I noted in my post. There isn't any slurping. He mentioned specific things I think are important.

I don't disagree with you or Jimbo.

Doesn't change he is the same guy that had Ponder and Manuel and Miami fans laughed at him. Now he has the Heisman winner, the D was locked in and Jimbo looks like a genius, and because everyone hates our coach, a group of our fans are slurping Jimbo.

Processing information, anticipation and accuracy is not unheard of information or goals for a good quarterback or a good football player. If a Miami coach says they are looking for high football IQ players that gets translated into Miami wants to be Wake Forest.

And, in my original post, I noted that having the QB is important. While these things are not "unheard of information or goals," they are emphasized to varying degrees by different staffs - for QBs, units and teams. A Miami coach can "say" whatever they'd like in terms of what they are looking for (high football IQ players in your example), but I prefer to look at what we're doing on the field. Is it backed up by any evidence? At one end of spectrum, you have cutting edge aggression. At the other end, you have a conservative approach (more than just scheme, but about philosophy that trickles to all decisions).

I'm not saying or expecting to be at the cusp of innovation (though it'd be nice to see). I'm saying I'd like to see us move away from the conservative end. Maybe they did that because of an undeniable lack of talent at spots. I don't know. Maybe that's just their DNA.

Seems you're trying hard to make this into a slurper vs. detractor thing. The thread was aimed at being about what we focus on versus what other coaches focus on. And, what that means for us going forward.

Every thread turns into a slurper/detractor thread. I'm not the one who controls that nonsense. I do find it interesting that you would think this thread would lead in any direction but an anti-Golden vs. excuse maker thread when comparing the coach of the defending national champs with the coach that a majority of the most vocal posters don't like.

My commentary is related to Jimbo. Up until FSU won it last year, the jury was still out on him being a coach or a corch -- waaaaay out. He has been able to amass quality talent for years, and waste it. Until last season.

His commentary on what is important for a QB makes perfect sense. Unfortunately our OC is facing a "burden", our QBs are young or hurt and our defense still lacks the line playmakers and depth that allow for some of FSU's innovation/aggression.

How was he wasting talent?

Ponder didn't have a single offensive player from his team drafted. Ponders 2007 recruiting class was a disaster. Yet even with Ponder getting injured, FSU made it to the ACC championship in Season 1.

Fishers second season with EJ, FSU won 9 games after losing 8 OL (including 3 starters) to injuries in a freak season, and when EJ got injured FSU lost 3 in a row. OL went from a joke to likely sending 4 starters into the league next year.

FSU went from 7 mostly late round picks Fishers first 2 seasons, to a record 18 picks the last two seasons (with another 8-9 coming in 2015).

He clearly knows how to build a program.

I can agree that he isn't a "doing more with less" type of offensive genius, but like Saban his plan is simply to recruit the best players.

Not sure how UM fans were laughing while getting whooped by JimBo every single season.

The best coaches get the best players. Saying Urban Meyer was only good because he signed Tebow is a silly way to discredit a coach.

Signing a Winston or Percy Harvin is part of being an elite college coach.

Also, Jimbo has learned from mistakes.

His first offensive staff had limited experience. Guys like Coley and D Craig were ace recruiters but had limited experience, and Fisher took over too many responsibilities. Stoops fixed the fundamental problems with the defense, but he and Fisher got into heated arguments over the lack of aggressive defense, the LB coach Greg Hudson was a drug addict.

Fisher clearly learned from those mistakes with time. His second staff has guys with decades of experience, and he has been able to delegate more.

The question is if Golden can do the same. Hiring Coley was a huge mistake though.

Why? fans, including those of FSU and Miami, may have felt Fisher wasted talent could be due to the idea that he was there since 2007 as head coach/head coach in waiting and from 2004-2012 FSU finished outside the Rivals Top 10 one time. Finishing with less than 4 losses twice since 2007.

Fisher certainly has FSU on a good path, and let's not act like beating Miami in his time frame was some great accomplishment. Ask anyone here - we have sucked.
 
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His ability to evaluate, sign and develop talent is what makes him great I think. Bust rate has been very low since he took over with a lot of lower ranked guys turning into high nfl draft pics. That masks whatever X and O shortcomings he has.
 
Jimbo's talking about processing information, anticipation and accuracy. He's talking about these things as they relate to QBs, but you can see how he values them as they relate to operating his offense and team. Sure, it's a lot easier when you have the QB. But, at least he's touching upon these points as things he deeply values.

My concern continues to grow because the game is becoming so fast and so much about information that, yes, talent will always help, but we don't seem to have enough (many?) technical guys driving these key elements of an evolving game.

The fact that we're going to choose from one of 3 freshman (2 True) QBs to lead our team is terrifying.

We've got a staff full of recruiters + a DC who's among the worst in the country but can't be touched due to his intimate personal relationship with the head coach.

I don't care how much talent you put together...you can't win in the current game without good tactical schemes on both sides of the ball. We have 2 of the worst coordinators in the country....and it shows.
 
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Why don't the great Jimbo players amount to much in the pros? Why have Miami produce the better pro players during the same time frame, without having a 1st round pick since 08? Good college players but a waste of a draft pick! I won't be surprise if Kacy Rodgers have a longer and more successful career than Lamarcus Joyner, lol! ****, Ray Ray Armstrong had 3 less tackles than 1st round all world B. Werner. This is the real stats that recruits needs to look at. Where are all these former great Jimbo players at in the league. This is the reason why Lane, Cook, Thomas, Bryant etc... Went there right? Just curious in why they are great at FSU and dog **** in the league...
 
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Why don't the great Jimbo players amount to much in the pros? Why have Miami produce the better pro players during the same time frame, without having a 1st round pick since 08? Good college players but a waste of a draft pick! I won't be surprise if Kacy Rodgers have a longer and more successful career than Lamarcus Joyner, lol! ****, Ray Ray Armstrong had 3 less tackles than 1st round all world B. Werner. This is the real stats that recruits needs to look at. Where are all these former great Jimbo players at in the league. This is the reason why Lane, Cook, Thomas, Bryant etc... Went there right? Just curious in why they are great at FSU and dog **** in the league...
The **** does it matter how they produce in the NFL....were talking about Jimbo outcoaching/out recruiting/ tea bagging our staff since at FSU, so what exactly does NFL players that we DONT PLAY ANYMORE have todo with Jimbo being a better coach than AG and Co at this level???
 
Why don't the great Jimbo players amount to much in the pros? Why have Miami produce the better pro players during the same time frame, without having a 1st round pick since 08? Good college players but a waste of a draft pick! I won't be surprise if Kacy Rodgers have a longer and more successful career than Lamarcus Joyner, lol! ****, Ray Ray Armstrong had 3 less tackles than 1st round all world B. Werner. This is the real stats that recruits needs to look at. Where are all these former great Jimbo players at in the league. This is the reason why Lane, Cook, Thomas, Bryant etc... Went there right? Just curious in why they are great at FSU and dog **** in the league...
The **** does it matter how they produce in the NFL....were talking about Jimbo outcoaching/out recruiting/ tea bagging our staff since at FSU, so what exactly does NFL players that we DONT PLAY ANYMORE have todo with Jimbo being a better coach than AG and Co at this level???

But, you want to compare the two coaches like they were on a equal playing field. We all know they had better athletes than we had. But, for the first time in this coach regime we have comparable athletes, that I'm willing to bet on.
 
I never understood the argument of holding a talented player AGAINST the coaches achievement, when it is a direct responsibility of college coaches to go out identify and land the most talented players possible...

Herp derp, jimbo wasnt as good without Jameis. Well no ****.


Even the year before without Jameis, even though they dropped a game they had a good season, he replaced a first round qb with another and when people thought they possibly missed their chance they went out and got better with a rs freshman qb. I hate FSU as much as anybody, and want to see them lose every game, but if you cant see that jimbo has done a good job of getting talent and putting it in position to succeed then I dont know what to say
 
We have an offensive staff of recruiters and on the defensive side we have a staff that thinks they are Xs and Os gurus. Very very bad combination especially with the state of the qb position.

Even with this, have we recruited well enough to win the ACC?
 
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We have an offensive staff of recruiters and on the defensive side we have a staff that thinks they are Xs and Os gurus. Very very bad combination especially with the state of the qb position.

Even with this, have we recruited well enough to win the ACC?

It's simply winning the Coastal that's bothering most of us....

So the real question is-

How many times has any Coastal division winner out recruited Miami ?

Answer- only once (VT 2011)....
 
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