ChicagoSeminole
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Pre-Jameis --- Corch, Dumbo
Jameis -- Miami fans slurping him
Way to address the substance I noted in my post. There isn't any slurping. He mentioned specific things I think are important.
I don't disagree with you or Jimbo.
Doesn't change he is the same guy that had Ponder and Manuel and Miami fans laughed at him. Now he has the Heisman winner, the D was locked in and Jimbo looks like a genius, and because everyone hates our coach, a group of our fans are slurping Jimbo.
Processing information, anticipation and accuracy is not unheard of information or goals for a good quarterback or a good football player. If a Miami coach says they are looking for high football IQ players that gets translated into Miami wants to be Wake Forest.
And, in my original post, I noted that having the QB is important. While these things are not "unheard of information or goals," they are emphasized to varying degrees by different staffs - for QBs, units and teams. A Miami coach can "say" whatever they'd like in terms of what they are looking for (high football IQ players in your example), but I prefer to look at what we're doing on the field. Is it backed up by any evidence? At one end of spectrum, you have cutting edge aggression. At the other end, you have a conservative approach (more than just scheme, but about philosophy that trickles to all decisions).
I'm not saying or expecting to be at the cusp of innovation (though it'd be nice to see). I'm saying I'd like to see us move away from the conservative end. Maybe they did that because of an undeniable lack of talent at spots. I don't know. Maybe that's just their DNA.
Seems you're trying hard to make this into a slurper vs. detractor thing. The thread was aimed at being about what we focus on versus what other coaches focus on. And, what that means for us going forward.
Every thread turns into a slurper/detractor thread. I'm not the one who controls that nonsense. I do find it interesting that you would think this thread would lead in any direction but an anti-Golden vs. excuse maker thread when comparing the coach of the defending national champs with the coach that a majority of the most vocal posters don't like.
My commentary is related to Jimbo. Up until FSU won it last year, the jury was still out on him being a coach or a corch -- waaaaay out. He has been able to amass quality talent for years, and waste it. Until last season.
His commentary on what is important for a QB makes perfect sense. Unfortunately our OC is facing a "burden", our QBs are young or hurt and our defense still lacks the line playmakers and depth that allow for some of FSU's innovation/aggression.
How was he wasting talent?
Ponder didn't have a single offensive player from his team drafted. Ponders 2007 recruiting class was a disaster. Yet even with Ponder getting injured, FSU made it to the ACC championship in Season 1.
Fishers second season with EJ, FSU won 9 games after losing 8 OL (including 3 starters) to injuries in a freak season, and when EJ got injured FSU lost 3 in a row. OL went from a joke to likely sending 4 starters into the league next year.
FSU went from 7 mostly late round picks Fishers first 2 seasons, to a record 18 picks the last two seasons (with another 8-9 coming in 2015).
He clearly knows how to build a program.
I can agree that he isn't a "doing more with less" type of offensive genius, but like Saban his plan is simply to recruit the best players.
Not sure how UM fans were laughing while getting whooped by JimBo every single season.
The best coaches get the best players. Saying Urban Meyer was only good because he signed Tebow is a silly way to discredit a coach.
Signing a Winston or Percy Harvin is part of being an elite college coach.
Also, Jimbo has learned from mistakes.
His first offensive staff had limited experience. Guys like Coley and D Craig were ace recruiters but had limited experience, and Fisher took over too many responsibilities. Stoops fixed the fundamental problems with the defense, but he and Fisher got into heated arguments over the lack of aggressive defense, the LB coach Greg Hudson was a drug addict.
Fisher clearly learned from those mistakes with time. His second staff has guys with decades of experience, and he has been able to delegate more.
The question is if Golden can do the same. Hiring Coley was a huge mistake though.
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