Jimbo Fisher on NFL Network - What does it mean for us?

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Jimbo's talking about processing information, anticipation and accuracy. He's talking about these things as they relate to QBs, but you can see how he values them as they relate to operating his offense and team. Sure, it's a lot easier when you have the QB. But, at least he's touching upon these points as things he deeply values.

My concern continues to grow because the game is becoming so fast and so much about information that, yes, talent will always help, but we don't seem to have enough (many?) technical guys driving these key elements of an evolving game.

The fact that we're going to choose from one of 3 freshman (2 True) QBs to lead our team is terrifying.
 
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I think Golden is a cerebral guy, so surely the technical aspects of the game and its evolution are getting considerable attention behind the scenes. But who knows?

On the one hand, you've got Coley. I think he makes some pretty stupid play calls, and I haven't been terribly impressed by his concepts. Maybe this is the result of a lack of focus on those technical aspects of the game to which you are referring.

But on the other hand, you've got D'Onofrio. As much as we dislike the guy, I absolutely think he is a student of the game. I think one of D'Onofrio's problems has been that he'd rather play his version of a very technical defense than use our players' given strengths.

So, again, who the **** knows.

I'll have all my digits crossed until September.
 
We have an offensive staff of recruiters and on the defensive side we have a staff that thinks they are Xs and Os gurus. Very very bad combination especially with the state of the qb position.
 
The man gets players drafted. Through 5 rounds we have 1 player drafted. You can bet your *** he is already selling this to recruits. LOL to those they don't get why SFla studs leave for FSU, Bama, etc.....
 
But on the other hand, you've got D'Onofrio. As much as we dislike the guy, I absolutely think he is a student of the game. I think one of D'Onofrio's problems has been that he'd rather play his version of a very technical defense than use our players' given strengths.

It all falls on Golden. It's his scheme and the fact we haven't made adjustments to fit the personnel (as you referenced) is a big-time concern.

We have a coach on the staff who is a son of a guy who just won the Super Bowl, put a remarkable run together at USC, and has always preached making adjustments.

Why not consult Pete Carroll (assuming, of course, this hasn't taken place)? Part of me believes its pure stubbornness, which is an issue.

But back to OP's post, I hate judging guys after one year on the job, and part of me wants to believe Coley will evolve as an OC, because he's a very good recruiter and showing some coaching ability would complement that well, but label me very unimpressed with his play-calling last season. Its only going to be tougher if Miami goes with a true freshman QB next season, because growing pains will be part of the deal.
 
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We need more coaches that know how to teach the X's and O's and a couple monster recruiters.
 
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Pre-Jameis --- Corch, Dumbo

Jameis -- Miami fans slurping him

How does Jameis help with 4 or 5 Nole defensive players being drafted? We are going on 7th round and have 0 defensive players drafted.

He/FSU has always been able to recruit. They had a lot of good players getting drafted the last few seasons, when they choked away game after game and Miami fans were hoping for a life time contract and FSU was hoping for him to go to Auburn.
 
Pre-Jameis --- Corch, Dumbo

Jameis -- Miami fans slurping him

How does Jameis help with 4 or 5 Nole defensive players being drafted? We are going on 7th round and have 0 defensive players drafted.

He/FSU has always been able to recruit. They had a lot of good players getting drafted the last few seasons, when they choked away game after game and Miami fans were hoping for a life time contract and FSU was hoping for him to go to Auburn.

Well hopefully Golden can change the perception for himself as well this season.
 
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Pre-Jameis --- Corch, Dumbo

Jameis -- Miami fans slurping him

Way to address the substance I noted in my post. There isn't any slurping. He mentioned specific things I think are important.

I don't disagree with you or Jimbo.

Doesn't change he is the same guy that had Ponder and Manuel and Miami fans laughed at him. Now he has the Heisman winner, the D was locked in and Jimbo looks like a genius, and because everyone hates our coach, a group of our fans are slurping Jimbo.

Processing information, anticipation and accuracy is not unheard of information or goals for a good quarterback or a good football player. If a Miami coach says they are looking for high football IQ players that gets translated into Miami wants to be Wake Forest.
 
Pre-Jameis --- Corch, Dumbo

Jameis -- Miami fans slurping him

Way to address the substance I noted in my post. There isn't any slurping. He mentioned specific things I think are important.

I don't disagree with you or Jimbo.

Doesn't change he is the same guy that had Ponder and Manuel and Miami fans laughed at him. Now he has the Heisman winner, the D was locked in and Jimbo looks like a genius, and because everyone hates our coach, a group of our fans are slurping Jimbo.

Processing information, anticipation and accuracy is not unheard of information or goals for a good quarterback or a good football player. If a Miami coach says they are looking for high football IQ players that gets translated into Miami wants to be Wake Forest.

And, in my original post, I noted that having the QB is important. While these things are not "unheard of information or goals," they are emphasized to varying degrees by different staffs - for QBs, units and teams. A Miami coach can "say" whatever they'd like in terms of what they are looking for (high football IQ players in your example), but I prefer to look at what we're doing on the field. Is it backed up by any evidence? At one end of spectrum, you have cutting edge aggression. At the other end, you have a conservative approach (more than just scheme, but about philosophy that trickles to all decisions).

I'm not saying or expecting to be at the cusp of innovation (though it'd be nice to see). I'm saying I'd like to see us move away from the conservative end. Maybe they did that because of an undeniable lack of talent at spots. I don't know. Maybe that's just their DNA.

Seems you're trying hard to make this into a slurper vs. detractor thing. The thread was aimed at being about what we focus on versus what other coaches focus on. And, what that means for us going forward.
 
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Pre-Jameis --- Corch, Dumbo

Jameis -- Miami fans slurping him

Way to address the substance I noted in my post. There isn't any slurping. He mentioned specific things I think are important.

I don't disagree with you or Jimbo.

Doesn't change he is the same guy that had Ponder and Manuel and Miami fans laughed at him. Now he has the Heisman winner, the D was locked in and Jimbo looks like a genius, and because everyone hates our coach, a group of our fans are slurping Jimbo.

Processing information, anticipation and accuracy is not unheard of information or goals for a good quarterback or a good football player. If a Miami coach says they are looking for high football IQ players that gets translated into Miami wants to be Wake Forest.

And, in my original post, I noted that having the QB is important. While these things are not "unheard of information or goals," they are emphasized to varying degrees by different staffs - for QBs, units and teams. A Miami coach can "say" whatever they'd like in terms of what they are looking for (high football IQ players in your example), but I prefer to look at what we're doing on the field. Is it backed up by any evidence? At one end of spectrum, you have cutting edge aggression. At the other end, you have a conservative approach (more than just scheme, but about philosophy that trickles to all decisions).

I'm not saying or expecting to be at the cusp of innovation (though it'd be nice to see). I'm saying I'd like to see us move away from the conservative end. Maybe they did that because of an undeniable lack of talent at spots. I don't know. Maybe that's just their DNA.

Seems you're trying hard to make this into a slurper vs. detractor thing. The thread was aimed at being about what we focus on versus what other coaches focus on. And, what that means for us going forward.

Every thread turns into a slurper/detractor thread. I'm not the one who controls that nonsense. I do find it interesting that you would think this thread would lead in any direction but an anti-Golden vs. excuse maker thread when comparing the coach of the defending national champs with the coach that a majority of the most vocal posters don't like.

My commentary is related to Jimbo. Up until FSU won it last year, the jury was still out on him being a coach or a corch -- waaaaay out. He has been able to amass quality talent for years, and waste it. Until last season.

His commentary on what is important for a QB makes perfect sense. Unfortunately our OC is facing a "burden", our QBs are young or hurt and our defense still lacks the line playmakers and depth that allow for some of FSU's innovation/aggression.
 
Pre-Jameis --- Corch, Dumbo

Jameis -- Miami fans slurping him

Way to address the substance I noted in my post. There isn't any slurping. He mentioned specific things I think are important.

I don't disagree with you or Jimbo.

Doesn't change he is the same guy that had Ponder and Manuel and Miami fans laughed at him. Now he has the Heisman winner, the D was locked in and Jimbo looks like a genius, and because everyone hates our coach, a group of our fans are slurping Jimbo.

Processing information, anticipation and accuracy is not unheard of information or goals for a good quarterback or a good football player. If a Miami coach says they are looking for high football IQ players that gets translated into Miami wants to be Wake Forest.

And, in my original post, I noted that having the QB is important. While these things are not "unheard of information or goals," they are emphasized to varying degrees by different staffs - for QBs, units and teams. A Miami coach can "say" whatever they'd like in terms of what they are looking for (high football IQ players in your example), but I prefer to look at what we're doing on the field. Is it backed up by any evidence? At one end of spectrum, you have cutting edge aggression. At the other end, you have a conservative approach (more than just scheme, but about philosophy that trickles to all decisions).

I'm not saying or expecting to be at the cusp of innovation (though it'd be nice to see). I'm saying I'd like to see us move away from the conservative end. Maybe they did that because of an undeniable lack of talent at spots. I don't know. Maybe that's just their DNA.

Seems you're trying hard to make this into a slurper vs. detractor thing. The thread was aimed at being about what we focus on versus what other coaches focus on. And, what that means for us going forward.

Every thread turns into a slurper/detractor thread. I'm not the one who controls that nonsense. I do find it interesting that you would think this thread would lead in any direction but an anti-Golden vs. excuse maker thread when comparing the coach of the defending national champs with the coach that a majority of the most vocal posters don't like.

My commentary is related to Jimbo. Up until FSU won it last year, the jury was still out on him being a coach or a corch -- waaaaay out. He has been able to amass quality talent for years, and waste it. Until last season.

His commentary on what is important for a QB makes perfect sense. Unfortunately our OC is facing a "burden", our QBs are young or hurt and our defense still lacks the line playmakers and depth that allow for some of FSU's innovation/aggression.

Why? It's a comparison of what one guy was saying and apparently focuses on versus what we do. Narrower than "Jimbo vs Golden" as a comparison of ability or even performance. Personally, it'd be easier for me, as a fan, if Golden succeeds. Prefer not to have to start from scratch again. I really don't care how we succeed or who gets us there. I'm simply impatient to get back there.

As for Jimbo, I think his previous year was successful. They lost that game to NC State, but were otherwise on point. I'm not at all saying Jimbo would be my guy, though. I don't think he's bad. I don't think he's Chip Kelly or Malzahn. I think he's an above average coach who I wouldn't see as a big time pro potential guy.

All that said, I still don't see enough technical guys on board.
 
Way to address the substance I noted in my post. There isn't any slurping. He mentioned specific things I think are important.

I don't disagree with you or Jimbo.

Doesn't change he is the same guy that had Ponder and Manuel and Miami fans laughed at him. Now he has the Heisman winner, the D was locked in and Jimbo looks like a genius, and because everyone hates our coach, a group of our fans are slurping Jimbo.

Processing information, anticipation and accuracy is not unheard of information or goals for a good quarterback or a good football player. If a Miami coach says they are looking for high football IQ players that gets translated into Miami wants to be Wake Forest.

And, in my original post, I noted that having the QB is important. While these things are not "unheard of information or goals," they are emphasized to varying degrees by different staffs - for QBs, units and teams. A Miami coach can "say" whatever they'd like in terms of what they are looking for (high football IQ players in your example), but I prefer to look at what we're doing on the field. Is it backed up by any evidence? At one end of spectrum, you have cutting edge aggression. At the other end, you have a conservative approach (more than just scheme, but about philosophy that trickles to all decisions).

I'm not saying or expecting to be at the cusp of innovation (though it'd be nice to see). I'm saying I'd like to see us move away from the conservative end. Maybe they did that because of an undeniable lack of talent at spots. I don't know. Maybe that's just their DNA.

Seems you're trying hard to make this into a slurper vs. detractor thing. The thread was aimed at being about what we focus on versus what other coaches focus on. And, what that means for us going forward.

Every thread turns into a slurper/detractor thread. I'm not the one who controls that nonsense. I do find it interesting that you would think this thread would lead in any direction but an anti-Golden vs. excuse maker thread when comparing the coach of the defending national champs with the coach that a majority of the most vocal posters don't like.

My commentary is related to Jimbo. Up until FSU won it last year, the jury was still out on him being a coach or a corch -- waaaaay out. He has been able to amass quality talent for years, and waste it. Until last season.

His commentary on what is important for a QB makes perfect sense. Unfortunately our OC is facing a "burden", our QBs are young or hurt and our defense still lacks the line playmakers and depth that allow for some of FSU's innovation/aggression.

Why? It's a comparison of what one guy was saying and apparently focuses on versus what we do. Narrower than "Jimbo vs Golden" as a comparison of ability or even performance. Personally, it'd be easier for me, as a fan, if Golden succeeds. Prefer not to have to start from scratch again. I really don't care how we succeed or who gets us there. I'm simply impatient to get back there.

As for Jimbo, I think his previous year was successful. They lost that game to NC State, but were otherwise on point. I'm not at all saying Jimbo would be my guy, though. I don't think he's bad. I don't think he's Chip Kelly or Malzahn. I think he's an above average coach who I wouldn't see as a big time pro potential guy.

All that said, I still don't see enough technical guys on board.

To answer why - the current tone of the board and the likelihood that every thread will denigrate in that direction.

I too want the Canes to succeed. Would rather Golden do it than wait and because I think he actually cares about players as people. People here hate the administration, Golden, the AD, yet they have this bravado of confidence that Golden will get canned and Butch will replace him. That the administration that just battled the NCAA will open the door for a guy I doubt they trust is clean.

I agree with you on Jimbo, but would say he is slightly overrated.

In terms of technical guys on board....not sure I see it either. I think a more instinctive/trustworthy/intelligent QB will help Coley. Last year, Morris simply could not manage a game. Some of Coleys appearance of ineptness was because of that, some of it was just lack of creativity.

On defense, the talent was not there IMO, and I think we will tell if there is innovation once the line takes shape. From what I saw, it looked like Golden and D were trying to build a philosophy - right, wrong or indifferent. But when Duke ran through the line every play, it was easy to tell there was nothing we could do until that piece was fixed.

The DL and safety play has been atrocious --- not sure how you brainstorm to fix that lack of talent and depth, while trying to build a system.
 
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