2024 Jeremiah Smith 2.0 ,,, Signs with Taint

[JHallCanes]

Woof, someone’s angry. And insecure, as I aptly pointed out prior.

It’s okay, I still respect your opinions.

No one is angry. No one is insecure. Cmon man. I’m ******* around. We’ve had plenty of OSU and FSU props on this board this year we don’t need to go back over their WR clout yet again do we?

I’m not insecure…

But now I gotta go get a pump…

 

[Canegrad89]

Eddie Brown
Stanley Shakespeare
Michael Irvin (HOF)
Brett Perriman
Brian Blades
Randall Hill
Wesley Carroll
Lamar Thomas
Kevin Williams
Reggie Wayne (HOF soon)
Santana Moss (better numbers than 3 HOF WRs)
Andre Johnson (HOF soon)

Checkmate........

Totally agree with SWFLHurricane on this. Miami has produced absolute legends at the WR position (many of them).

To the Troll poster on here:

Fact 1: OSU struggled a lot on Offense this yr (even against weak opponents) and their Offense was dreadful to watch at many points throughout this season. How can that happen with so many “great” WRs and a 5-Star QB. Poor development, poor coaching & poor play calling. Fact.

Fact 2: Hartline is waaayy overrated in my opinion. He actually has a very low hit rate on his WR recruits when you do some basic research. The former WR at OSU (Zach Smith) produced a video recently about this. He pointed out that in the last 3-4 classes, Hartline has really only hit on 2-3 WRs out of about 12 recruits. He also highlights that MH Jr has by far the highest drop rate out of all WRs in the nation with over 1,000 yds. MH JR is genetically blessed & a freak athlete but he would have been that anywhere he went. What has Taint done to develop him as a WR? Not much honestly. His drop rate is waaayy worse than any of the other productive WRs in the nation (massively worse). Hartline is IMHO a slickster & lives off hype. Yes, he’s recruited well but his evals & development have actually been poor in recent yrs. Listen to the video from the former WR coach at Taint & then come back when you know the facts. Coach Beard offers substance. He’s a technician. He maximized the talents of our WRs this year & there progress was evident this year.

Fact 3: Five (5) National Championships for Miami (really 6 IMHO) over the last 40 years to one highly controversial one for Taint.

Fact 4: Taint was very good with Urban as HC. It is underachieving & trending down under Day. Soft in the trenches.

Mario is building a monster at Miami & we’ll come roaring back to prominence soon with all the impact players coming in this class combined with our existing talent. As the great Wayne Gretzky says: “In order to be great, skate to where the puck is going not where it’s been.”

So tired of Troll posters on here hyping Taint. It’s a good solid program that has underachieved for decades (with a few really good yrs sprinkled in). Urban is gone. They are trending down.

If he works really hard, Jeremiah will be a first rounder wherever he goes. I hope he chooses to show out for the Canes.

 

[JD08]

How many have you run into?

If you ran into an ******* in the morning you ran into an *******. If you run into ******** all day, you're the *******.

 

[STG]

Im not looking at it any way, you just did a poor job of relaying your point thats it. You started by bout Julian Flemming not working out and said the amount of 1st round pics they produced is insane and you listed 9. I can likely think of 8-9 first round WR for the canes as well. I think we can both agree JJ doesnt give a **** about who developed Yatil Green or Terry Glenn fair?

Then your next post you talk about recent classes. That is where the convo should start and end and anyone debating that the recent OSU success of first round WR is not clearly a hurdle to overcome then they are a blind homer. I think both of those are fair points.

I also think while the poster talking about Flemming was looking in a vacuum as busts obviously happen but how hard do you have to "develop" the top guys?

Lets look at your list of first rounders since the recruiting rankings been out
Jaxon (15th overall 5*)
Wilson (29th overall 5*)
Olave (210 4*)

But this also ignores since 2015:
Austin Mack 5* - bust
Trevon Grimes 5* bust
Kamryn Babb (36 overall just outside 5* and bust)
Flemming 5* bust
Gee Scott (37 overall, high 4* bust)

So is it really the development? Or they just have recruited at an insanely high level and dont **** it up? Look at my posts early today, the last 3 classes they have signed 3WR in the top 100. I think half are no longer even on the team or jags, granted not 5* busts but your top 100 player just gets sent out to pasture and not drafted at all?

You can't think of 9, since there are only 8. Pretty good if you thought of all 8 though (being serious).

Correct, no kid being recruited now cares about where any UM/Ohio State player was drafted outside of the past 5-7 years.

As for the success rate, I would say it's ******* incredible. Are you kidding? When Harrison gets drafted in the 1st, they will have turned 50% of there 5 star WR recruits into 1st round picks. That is UNHEARD of for converting 5 star recruits into first rounders. 5 star recruits don't come close to hitting at a 50% rate as far as 1st round picks.

 

[JHallCanes]

How many have you run into?

 

[STG]

Ohio State has signed stud after stud.

That is the difference. Development BS, when you sign stud after stud year after year you will have some hits and some not.

Julian Fleming and Trevon Grimes didn't develop amirite?

Like Ohio State has some master development plan for WRs no one has lol.

So OSU has signed 8, five star recruits at the WR position since 2015. Four are first round picks. That is converting them at a 50% clip. That is beyond incredible. Each year there are what, 32-35 5 star recruits? 50% do not end up being first round picks. Not even close. So yes, they develop WR's at an exceptional rate .

 

[SWFLHurricane]

Are you going to respond to the list of 1st round WR's UM has produced since 1985 I put out for you. You said 10, it's actually 8. Ohio State has 10 since 1995. So that would make you 0-2 in the last 30 minutes. If you are the most knowledgeable UM fan, yikes.

Yikes my C*ck faqquit.....UMs CFB AA, NFL Pro Bowlers, & NFL WR HOFers/Soon to be) sh*ts on anything that toilet water school can produce

 

[STG]

Yikes my C*ck faqquit.....UMs CFB AA, NFL Pro Bowlers, & NFL WR HOFers/Soon to be) sh*ts on anything that toilet water school can produce

Lol. Great response. I will repeat what I stated prior. Now, take your 2nd L, go put your diaper on before you keep ****ting out all this knowledge, and take your Rogaine.

 

[Dgixxer252525]

Ok so serious question from a fan. Not a football guru like you guys.

When y’all say “development”, what is Ohio state doing that others schools don’t do? What’s their secret?

 

[JD08]

Sorry, I forgot were I was at.

 

[P-Tizzle]

Gaby didn’t have JJ in his final mock class. That’s it, he’s not coming here

 

[407cane]

An excerpt from tonight's Sun Sentinel interview with JJ Smith, the night before ESD:

“Coach Cristobal, he just a Miami guy,” Smith said. “Just telling me, ‘Stay home because you and Joshisa Trader, Jordan Lyle, all the guys committed, we can definitely do something special, bring Miami back to the way it used to be.'”

Day reiterated the reasons Smith picked Ohio State in the first place, Smith said.

“Just telling me to keep the main thing the main thing,” Smith said. “Telling me why I committed to Ohio State. I know the reason why. Just I want to be developed into a first-round draft pick, win a national championship and all.”

As for Norvell, Smith said the Seminoles coach told him how hard he works for his players.

“Just telling me how I get his all each and every day if I choose to go to Florida State,” Smith said “Florida State’s a great program, seeing how they did on the offensive side of the ball with Keon Coleman, Johnny Wilson and those guys. Coach Mike up there definitely (has) got Florida State back in the right direction.”

One late issue that has cropped up for all three of those teams is their quarterback situation. Ohio State starter Kyle McCord and Miami starter Tyler Van Dyke have both transferred. Florida State starter Jordan Travis is out of eligibility.

The Buckeyes have four-star prospect Air Noland in their recruiting class. The Seminoles have four-star prospect Luke Kromenhoek in their class. The Hurricanes have three-star prospect Judd Anderson committed. Additionally, Miami and FSU are battling for transfer quarterback Cam Ward, who starred at Washington State.

“It’s definitely playing a big part in my situation, definitely,” Smith said. “The quarterback, that’s the main thing you need as a receiver. … That’s definitely going to play a big part in my decision, for sure.”

if Mario gets ward to announce tonight to Miami then crown that mf'er

 

[Highline17]

Gaby didn’t have JJ in his final mock class. That’s it, he’s not coming here

Gaby is a mule for what the staff wants out, and if he doesn’t get confirmation he hedges. JS would be kept a secret if he were expected to get him

 

[Highline17]

if Mario gets ward to announce tonight to Miami then crown that mf'er

Got 5mins until 7pm, the usual announcement time. Lets pray

 

[Cookie917]

You can't think of 9, since there are only 8. Pretty good if you thought of all 8 though (being serious).

Correct, no kid being recruited now cares about where any UM/Ohio State player was drafted outside of the past 5-7 years.

As for the success rate, I would say it's ******* incredible. Are you kidding? When Harrison gets drafted in the 1st, they will have turned 50% of there 5 star WR recruits into 1st round picks. That is UNHEARD of for converting 5 star recruits into first rounders. 5 star recruits don't come close to hitting at a 50% rate as far as 1st round picks.

Ah I just saw your list, yes I had those on there but couldnt remember if someone like Sinorice or Roscoe or K williams snuck into the first, I think Blades just missed it as well. they may have been second then. But ok move on from that point, that is how this entire thing went off the rails. You listed a history lesson of first round pics from OSU inferring they had an impact on JJ. They dont, especially not 8-9 comparison that we just went through.

RECENT success yes is a key cog and if you started and stayed on that ground we would not be here right now.

As far as your last sentence I am only talking WR and they have had **** near all the top recruits. Starting in 2020 going backwards they got the top two WR in Flemmin and Smith, the only other 5* was Kayshon Boutte who has 5* talent but a 0* head and likely no school changes that. You could go down the list and argue they have had more WR talent than anyone else so of course a few hit. But this is starting to split hairs. I am only pointing out that because they get the top guys every year, having top draft pics make sense. Usually there are only 1-3 5* WR and they always seem to have one or two. I have dinner to get to and hopefully cheeks to squeeze so I will bow out with this last point. All you had to say was recent success was a hurdle but you cant harp on history like you did and not expect the UM mob to defend our own history.

 

[Wake_Cane]

Got 5mins until 7pm, the usual announcement time. Lets pray

Ward announcement would be unlikely to follow the usual pattern on 7pm/9pm

 

[P-Tizzle]

He’s not announcing before ESD.

 

[Highline17]

He’s not announcing before ESD.

Sadly I agree, the part of this that hurts more is that we can’t really move on to a different candidate cause the. FSU would get him.

 

[Trav]

Ohio State and FSU have the #4 and #5 QBs in their classes. We have the #61 qb recruit and a current qb room that is a mess. It’s not comparable unless we can land a difference maker in the portal.

But they're both looking for a starter in the portal.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Ok so serious question from a fan. Not a football guru like you guys.

When y’all say “development”, what is Ohio state doing that others schools don’t do? What’s their secret?

That's the key question.

Ultimately, there are a lot of possible answers to this.

If a kid is a 5-star WR, a coach frequently "sharpens a knife". Keeps a very talented kid...very talented...as he handles tougher competition and higher expectations. But, arguably, this could happen anywhere with a good coach, it isn't some exclusive trait among "perennial Top 5 schools".

TRUE development would be more like taking a lump of clay and turning it into a great sculpture. Lots more work involved, lots more teaching and shaping and craftsmanship.

Having said that, as someone pointed out earlier, one should look at ALL of the production by Taint/Hartline. For instance, if he has recruited 20 blue-chippers, and, say, 10 make it into the draft and 10 are busts, what that ACTUALLY means is that a top recruit has a 50-50 chance of succeeding OR flaming out. And at THAT point, it becomes arguable as to what "development" is actually happening. How do you take top-top talent and produce a WORSE product after a few years?

Ultimately, you would say "if a G5 Kevin Beard can improve ALL of his recruits, even if none of them become 'first round draft choices'", then he is doing his job better and more consistently than a guy who gets the absolute best players, and still has a coin-flip chance of turning out a draft choice or a bust.

Anyhow, that's my take on it.