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BostonCanes47 said:
Once he figures out his red zone offense it’s going to be dangerous. I liked what he ran in the red zone against BC.

Great to see him adapt and incorporate PA, motion the last 2 weeks.
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Pretty easy to figure out- Pass it to a taller WR vs the smurfs!

Young - 4 targets, 3 TDs. How the F can he not see a 6'5 WR that wins the 50/50 ball and not say "Throw it to him when man coverage even on first down"
 
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hurricaneman said:
So let me get this straight. If Restrepo somehow goes for 180 in the bowl game (he had 193 against Louisville) then he is the all time leader in single season yards?

First of all, that's f'ing crazy. Second of all, not disrespect to Restrepo but he's not supposed to be a 1,000 yard guy, let alone an all time receiving leader in MIAMI FOOTBALL HISTORY. It's low key one of the greatest selling points in the country for WR.
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Not to be a dyck, but u do realize most of our “all time” single season record holders at Miami lately have not been all time greats?

Rambo is currently number 1 in yards and receptions in a single season, and it meant chit.
 
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Rellyrell said:
Not to be a dyck, but u do realize most of our “all time” single season record holders at Miami lately have not been all time greats?

Rambo is currently number 1 in yards and receptions in a single season, and it meant chit.
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Yup different age different time. People breaking our records now doesn’t mean they are better players. It’s easier to break records now cause the game is entirely different and the players are different.
 
Rellyrell said:
Not to be a dyck, but u do realize most of our “all time” single season record holders at Miami lately have not been all time greats?

Rambo is currently number 1 in yards and receptions in a single season, and it meant chit.
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You're telling me if Xavier Restrepo somehow were to be the all time leader in single season receiving yards, in the offense we saw this year, that wouldn't be wildly unexpected and crazy?
 
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hurricaneman said:
You're telling me if Xavier Restrepo somehow were to be the all time leader in single season receiving yards, in the offense we saw this year, that wouldn't be wildly unexpected and crazy?
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Do u want me to be honest? The selling point is George, not X.

TVD force fed X the ball throughout the entire season. He was targeted a staggering 105 times, meaning 26% or approx. 1 out of 4 passes went to him. George did way more w/ less, & led the team in TDs.

X numbers look cool, but the impact is the ?. Actually, for as many targets + receptions he has, his numbers aren’t very good compared to his peers.

Focusing on the WR leaders in FBS (P5) who had 70+ receptions:

1. Nabers (LSU): 12 games - 86 rec. 1546 yard 14 TDs
2. Washington (UVA): 12 games -110 rec. 1426 yards 9 TDs
3. Franklin (UO): 12 games - 77 rec. 1349 yards 14 TDs
4. Odunze (UW): 12 games - 73 rec. 1326 yards 13 TDs
5. Legette (USCe): 12 games - 71 rec. 1255 yards 7 TDs
6. McMillon (AU): 12 games - 80 rec. 1242 yards 10 TDs
7. Burden (Mizzou): 12 games - 83 rec. 1197 yards 8 TDs
8. Williams (Illini) 12 games - 82 rec. 1055 yards 5 TDs
9. Restrepo (The U) 12 games - 74 rec. 993 yards 5 TDs
10. Johnson (UO) 12 games - 70 rec. 942 yards 9 TDs
11. Stoops (OU) 12 games - 78 rec. 880 yards 10 TDs
12. L. Victor (WSU) 11 games - 89 rec. 860 yards 5 TDs
13. Presley (OKSt): 12 games - 76 rec. 746 yards 5 TDs
14. Cowing (AU): 12 games - 83 rec. 660 yards 11 TDs

Despite X being our leading receiver in receptions, targets, & yards, based upon his peers he has a very low TD output. Those who have similar outputs were Isaiah Williams of Illinois, & Lincoln Victor of Washington St. Do you know the commonality?

Illinois: 5-7
WSU: 5-7
Miami: 7-5

The exception to this was Brennan Presley of OKSt, and that’s due to them having a 1,600 yard back w/ 20 TDs.

In other words, the output is not moving the overall team success needle. Jacolby George should be by far our best selling point b/c George on less targets, less receptions has better output numbers than X, & it’s not particularly close. If George receives the same amount of targets, he would be on pace to put up a 1200 yard season and 10 TDs.
 
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Rellyrell said:
Do u want me to be honest? The selling point is George, not X.

TVD force fed X the ball throughout the entire season. He was targeted a staggering 105 times, meaning 26% or approx. 1 out of 4 passes went to him. George did way more w/ less, & led the team in TDs.

X numbers look cool, but the impact is the ?. Actually, for as many targets + receptions he has, his numbers aren’t very good compared to his peers.

Focusing on the WR leaders in FBS (P5) who had 70+ receptions:

1. Nabers (LSU): 12 games - 86 rec. 1546 yard 14 TDs
2. Washington (UVA): 12 games -110 rec. 1426 yards 9 TDs
3. Franklin (UO): 12 games - 77 rec. 1349 yards 14 TDs
4. Odunze (UW): 12 games - 73 rec. 1326 yards 13 TDs
5. Legette (USCe): 12 games - 71 rec. 1255 yards 7 TDs
6. McMillon (AU): 12 games - 80 rec. 1242 yards 10 TDs
7. Burden (Mizzou): 12 games - 83 rec. 1197 yards 8 TDs
8. Williams (Illini) 12 games - 82 rec. 1055 yards 5 TDs
9. Restrepo (The U) 12 games - 74 rec. 993 yards 5 TDs
10. Johnson (UO) 12 games - 70 rec. 942 yards 9 TDs
11. Stoops (OU) 12 games - 78 rec. 880 yards 10 TDs
12. L. Victor (WSU) 11 games - 89 rec. 860 yards 5 TDs
13. Presley (OKSt): 12 games - 76 rec. 746 yards 5 TDs
14. Cowing (AU): 12 games - 83 rec. 660 yards 11 TDs

Despite X being our leading receiver in receptions, targets, & yards, based upon his peers he has a very low TD output. Those who have similar outputs were Isaiah Williams of Illinois, & Lincoln Victor of Washington St. Do you know the commonality?

Illinois: 5-7
WSU: 5-7
Miami: 7-5

The exception to this was Brennan Presley of OKSt, and that’s due to them having a 1,600 yard back w/ 20 TDs.

In other words, the output is not moving the overall team success needle. Jacolby George should be by far our best selling point b/c George on less targets, less receptions has better output numbers than X, & it’s not particularly close. If George receives the same amount of targets, he would be on pace to put up a 1200 yard season and 10 TDs.
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Good info fam. X is def a reliable target and can be a 3rd down merchant but those dude above him on this list just have a gear and little extra something that X doesn't have.
 
Rellyrell said:
Do u want me to be honest? The selling point is George, not X.

TVD force fed X the ball throughout the entire season. He was targeted a staggering 105 times, meaning 26% or approx. 1 out of 4 passes went to him. George did way more w/ less, & led the team in TDs.

X numbers look cool, but the impact is the ?. Actually, for as many targets + receptions he has, his numbers aren’t very good compared to his peers.

Focusing on the WR leaders in FBS (P5) who had 70+ receptions:

1. Nabers (LSU): 12 games - 86 rec. 1546 yard 14 TDs
2. Washington (UVA): 12 games -110 rec. 1426 yards 9 TDs
3. Franklin (UO): 12 games - 77 rec. 1349 yards 14 TDs
4. Odunze (UW): 12 games - 73 rec. 1326 yards 13 TDs
5. Legette (USCe): 12 games - 71 rec. 1255 yards 7 TDs
6. McMillon (AU): 12 games - 80 rec. 1242 yards 10 TDs
7. Burden (Mizzou): 12 games - 83 rec. 1197 yards 8 TDs
8. Williams (Illini) 12 games - 82 rec. 1055 yards 5 TDs
9. Restrepo (The U) 12 games - 74 rec. 993 yards 5 TDs
10. Johnson (UO) 12 games - 70 rec. 942 yards 9 TDs
11. Stoops (OU) 12 games - 78 rec. 880 yards 10 TDs
12. L. Victor (WSU) 11 games - 89 rec. 860 yards 5 TDs
13. Presley (OKSt): 12 games - 76 rec. 746 yards 5 TDs
14. Cowing (AU): 12 games - 83 rec. 660 yards 11 TDs

Despite X being our leading receiver in receptions, targets, & yards, based upon his peers he has a very low TD output. Those who have similar outputs were Isaiah Williams of Illinois, & Lincoln Victor of Washington St. Do you know the commonality?

Illinois: 5-7
WSU: 5-7
Miami: 7-5

The exception to this was Brennan Presley of OKSt, and that’s due to them having a 1,600 yard back w/ 20 TDs.

In other words, the output is not moving the overall team success needle. Jacolby George should be by far our best selling point b/c George on less targets, less receptions has better output numbers than X, & it’s not particularly close. If George receives the same amount of targets, he would be on pace to put up a 1200 yard season and 10 TDs.
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Where are you finding target statistics? I cant find them anywhere.

I’d be curious to see how many first downs each receiver converted. With X being the slot his main purpose is to move the chains which I would say is extremely valuable. He’s not really supposed to be a home run hitter, end zone threat.

It’s NFL, but guys like welker and Edelman have one season with 10+ touchdowns plus seasons between them. Welker had a career 70.8 percent catch success ratio, Edelman had a 53.8 percent catch ratio.

DJ Moore currently leads receivers who are actually used with a catch success ratio of about 75 percent.

Based on the targets you provided, X had a catch success ratio of 70.48 percent which is solid.

I think the selling point is that X is a very good safety blanket and I would expect him to be a very good chain mover while George is your home run threat who can house it for you.
 
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BostonCanes47 said:
Where are you finding target statistics? I cant find them anywhere.

I’d be curious to see how many first downs each receiver converted. With X being the slot his main purpose is to move the chains which I would say is extremely valuable. He’s not really supposed to be a home run hitter, end zone threat.

It’s NFL, but guys like welker and Edelman have one season with 10+ touchdowns plus seasons between them. Welker had a career 70.8 percent catch success ratio, Edelman had a 53.8 percent catch ratio.

DJ Moore currently leads receivers who are actually used with a catch success ratio of about 75 percent.

Based on the targets you provided, X had a catch success ratio of 70.48 percent which is solid.

I think the selling point is that X is a very good safety blanket and I would expect him to be a very good chain mover while George is your home run threat who can house it for you.
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It was Rotoworld.
 
BostonCanes47 said:
Where are you finding target statistics? I cant find them anywhere.

I’d be curious to see how many first downs each receiver converted. With X being the slot his main purpose is to move the chains which I would say is extremely valuable. He’s not really supposed to be a home run hitter, end zone threat.

It’s NFL, but guys like welker and Edelman have one season with 10+ touchdowns plus seasons between them. Welker had a career 70.8 percent catch success ratio, Edelman had a 53.8 percent catch ratio.

DJ Moore currently leads receivers who are actually used with a catch success ratio of about 75 percent.

Based on the targets you provided, X had a catch success ratio of 70.48 percent which is solid.

I think the selling point is that X is a very good safety blanket and I would expect him to be a very good chain mover while George is your home run threat who can house it for you.
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Also, forgot to respond to this part my brother:
Here’s the difference in these comparisons:

1. The initial QP was using X as a selling point for J Smith to come here. X is not a 1st round talent; if imma be honest he’s not a 2nd round talent, either. He’s a solid CFB player, who will likely get a shot at the next level. His targets + receptions ≠ scores. Berrios on less targets and receptions had an accelerated TD production, which is why he’s in the NFL (plus he was a solid PR).

2. In using Edelman and Wes, both of them throughout their careers were the benefactors of being 2nd and 3rd options, not #1. X is our #1 option.

During Edelman’s tenure, Gronk was TB12’s go-to, so the game plan was around him. I believe it was 2016 & 2018 where Gronk had some injury issues that Edelman became option 1 in the passing game & NE won it all; however, in 2016 Blount was a TD machine (which goes back to the Presley comparison for OKSt), and in 2018 it was a collaborative effort from all, including the defense.

Walker’s TDs got ate up by Moss from 2007-2009. lol. Once Moss moved on in 2010, Walker put up 32 TDs in his last 4 healthy seasons as the go to. Also, iirc Walker at TT was actually a TD magnet his last two seasons, even though he wasn’t drafted.

3. DJ Moore is a great example of a WR1. He’s playing in a **** poor scheme w/ **** poor QB play, yet he’s on pace to put up 1,500 yards & 9 TDs. That’s why I used George as our selling point b/c his targets is producing more production. In essence, if we were using b-ball metrics, George’s +/- is better than X.

X is a safety blanket, & EVERY CFB team needs those, but a WR1 wants to be more than a Safety Blanket; they want explosive plays and TDs. Safety blankets ≠ TD production gets u either drafted late or UDFA.

WRs have become huge divas (not sure when this trend started, but it’s been a cool minute). Again, u need an X, Wes, Renfrow, Berrios, Edelman, etc. on ur team as a complimentary WR, but not a featured one. Right now LSU, FSU, OSU, UW can all say we have a 1st round WR in our system, while we say “look at all the catches X has.”

There’s a huge difference in what Mike Irvin(g), Santana Moss, Andre Johnson, Leonard Hankerson, Phillip Dorsett, Reggie Wayne, Brian Blades did here vs. X. Sometimes we’ve become so enamored w empty calorie production, that we forget what elite looks like. I recall I had this same issue w/ Rambo, & while fans were saying he’s a 1st 3 round pick, I said he’ll be fortunate to drafted by day 3. Why? B/c despite all them yards and targets he had, it was filled w/ empty calorie production. 7-5.
 
Rellyrell said:
Also, forgot to respond to this part my brother:
Here’s the difference in these comparisons:

1. The initial QP was using X as a selling point for J Smith to come here. X is not a 1st round talent; if imma be honest he’s not a 2nd round talent, either. He’s a solid CFB player, who will likely get a shot at the next level. His targets + receptions ≠ scores. Berrios on less targets and receptions had an accelerated TD production, which is why he’s in the NFL (plus he was a solid PR).

2. In using Edelman and Wes, both of them throughout their careers were the benefactors of being 2nd and 3rd options, not #1. X is our #1 option.

During Edelman’s tenure, Gronk was TB12’s go-to, so the game plan was around him. I believe it was 2016 & 2018 where Gronk had some injury issues that Edelman became option 1 in the passing game & NE won it all; however, in 2016 Blount was a TD machine (which goes back to the Presley comparison for OKSt), and in 2018 it was a collaborative effort from all, including the defense.

Walker’s TDs got ate up by Moss from 2007-2009. lol. Once Moss moved on in 2010, Walker put up 32 TDs in his last 4 healthy seasons as the go to. Also, iirc Walker at TT was actually a TD magnet his last two seasons, even though he wasn’t drafted.

3. DJ Moore is a great example of a WR1. He’s playing in a **** poor scheme w/ **** poor QB play, yet he’s on pace to put up 1,500 yards & 9 TDs. That’s why I used George as our selling point b/c his targets is producing more production. In essence, if we were using b-ball metrics, George’s +/- is better than X.

X is a safety blanket, & EVERY CFB team needs those, but a WR1 wants to be more than a Safety Blanket; they want explosive plays and TDs. Safety blankets ≠ TD production gets u either drafted late or UDFA.

WRs have become huge divas (not sure when this trend started, but it’s been a cool minute). Again, u need an X, Wes, Renfrow, Berrios, Edelman, etc. on ur team as a complimentary WR, but not a featured one. Right now LSU, FSU, OSU, UW can all say we have a 1st round WR in our system, while we say “look at all the catches X has.”

There’s a huge difference in what Mike Irvin(g), Santana Moss, Andre Johnson, Leonard Hankerson, Phillip Dorsett, Reggie Wayne, Brian Blades did here vs. X. Sometimes we’ve become so enamored w empty calorie production, that we forget what elite looks like. I recall I had this same issue w/ Rambo, & while fans were saying he’s a 1st 3 round pick, I said he’ll be fortunate to drafted by day 3. Why? B/c despite all them yards and targets he had, it was filled w/ empty calorie production. 7-5.
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There are plenty of different types of #1 WRs. Keenan Allen and Amon-ra St. Brown are both #1 WRs for Chargers and Lions respectively, and undoubtedly top 10 WRs this year. In college Id say they werent all that different to X. Now I'm not saying X is going to be them at the next level obviously, but I don't think just purely looking at the TD numbers is all that telling. I'd say looking at the TD numbers WITH the Y/Catch numbers is good though. X isn't a star or elite player
He is a very good college WR who produces solidly. Just a plain good slot WR.

But like Keenan Allen and Amon-Ra in 2020 were similar production. For a Y/catch and TD standpoint
 
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More impressive to put up yards and points with low draft picks or undrafted players than to do it with first round picks. Atleast as a player i would think so. Im better than that guy, what could i do, if he can do that. Btw Tank Dell is already becoming of the best route runners in the league as a rookie
 
Rellyrell said:
Also, forgot to respond to this part my brother:
Here’s the difference in these comparisons:

1. The initial QP was using X as a selling point for J Smith to come here. X is not a 1st round talent; if imma be honest he’s not a 2nd round talent, either. He’s a solid CFB player, who will likely get a shot at the next level. His targets + receptions ≠ scores. Berrios on less targets and receptions had an accelerated TD production, which is why he’s in the NFL (plus he was a solid PR).

2. In using Edelman and Wes, both of them throughout their careers were the benefactors of being 2nd and 3rd options, not #1. X is our #1 option.

During Edelman’s tenure, Gronk was TB12’s go-to, so the game plan was around him. I believe it was 2016 & 2018 where Gronk had some injury issues that Edelman became option 1 in the passing game & NE won it all; however, in 2016 Blount was a TD machine (which goes back to the Presley comparison for OKSt), and in 2018 it was a collaborative effort from all, including the defense.

Walker’s TDs got ate up by Moss from 2007-2009. lol. Once Moss moved on in 2010, Walker put up 32 TDs in his last 4 healthy seasons as the go to. Also, iirc Walker at TT was actually a TD magnet his last two seasons, even though he wasn’t drafted.

3. DJ Moore is a great example of a WR1. He’s playing in a **** poor scheme w/ **** poor QB play, yet he’s on pace to put up 1,500 yards & 9 TDs. That’s why I used George as our selling point b/c his targets is producing more production. In essence, if we were using b-ball metrics, George’s +/- is better than X.

X is a safety blanket, & EVERY CFB team needs those, but a WR1 wants to be more than a Safety Blanket; they want explosive plays and TDs. Safety blankets ≠ TD production gets u either drafted late or UDFA.

WRs have become huge divas (not sure when this trend started, but it’s been a cool minute). Again, u need an X, Wes, Renfrow, Berrios, Edelman, etc. on ur team as a complimentary WR, but not a featured one. Right now LSU, FSU, OSU, UW can all say we have a 1st round WR in our system, while we say “look at all the catches X has.”

There’s a huge difference in what Mike Irvin(g), Santana Moss, Andre Johnson, Leonard Hankerson, Phillip Dorsett, Reggie Wayne, Brian Blades did here vs. X. Sometimes we’ve become so enamored w empty calorie production, that we forget what elite looks like. I recall I had this same issue w/ Rambo, & while fans were saying he’s a 1st 3 round pick, I said he’ll be fortunate to drafted by day 3. Why? B/c despite all them yards and targets he had, it was filled w/ empty calorie production. 7-5.
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Great post, fam. I choose to celebrate X for what he is and not rip on him for what he isn’t. He is a good slot receiver/keep the chains moving type of WR. He knows how to get open, can catch and is athletic enough to pick up yards after the catch. Thank goodness he was a Cane this year or UM might have lost a couple more games.
 
Rellyrell said:
Also, forgot to respond to this part my brother:
Here’s the difference in these comparisons:

1. The initial QP was using X as a selling point for J Smith to come here. X is not a 1st round talent; if imma be honest he’s not a 2nd round talent, either. He’s a solid CFB player, who will likely get a shot at the next level. His targets + receptions ≠ scores. Berrios on less targets and receptions had an accelerated TD production, which is why he’s in the NFL (plus he was a solid PR).

2. In using Edelman and Wes, both of them throughout their careers were the benefactors of being 2nd and 3rd options, not #1. X is our #1 option.

During Edelman’s tenure, Gronk was TB12’s go-to, so the game plan was around him. I believe it was 2016 & 2018 where Gronk had some injury issues that Edelman became option 1 in the passing game & NE won it all; however, in 2016 Blount was a TD machine (which goes back to the Presley comparison for OKSt), and in 2018 it was a collaborative effort from all, including the defense.

Walker’s TDs got ate up by Moss from 2007-2009. lol. Once Moss moved on in 2010, Walker put up 32 TDs in his last 4 healthy seasons as the go to. Also, iirc Walker at TT was actually a TD magnet his last two seasons, even though he wasn’t drafted.

3. DJ Moore is a great example of a WR1. He’s playing in a **** poor scheme w/ **** poor QB play, yet he’s on pace to put up 1,500 yards & 9 TDs. That’s why I used George as our selling point b/c his targets is producing more production. In essence, if we were using b-ball metrics, George’s +/- is better than X.

X is a safety blanket, & EVERY CFB team needs those, but a WR1 wants to be more than a Safety Blanket; they want explosive plays and TDs. Safety blankets ≠ TD production gets u either drafted late or UDFA.

WRs have become huge divas (not sure when this trend started, but it’s been a cool minute). Again, u need an X, Wes, Renfrow, Berrios, Edelman, etc. on ur team as a complimentary WR, but not a featured one. Right now LSU, FSU, OSU, UW can all say we have a 1st round WR in our system, while we say “look at all the catches X has.”

There’s a huge difference in what Mike Irvin(g), Santana Moss, Andre Johnson, Leonard Hankerson, Phillip Dorsett, Reggie Wayne, Brian Blades did here vs. X. Sometimes we’ve become so enamored w empty calorie production, that we forget what elite looks like. I recall I had this same issue w/ Rambo, & while fans were saying he’s a 1st 3 round pick, I said he’ll be fortunate to drafted by day 3. Why? B/c despite all them yards and targets he had, it was filled w/ empty calorie production. 7-5.
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I begged them to offer DJ Moore lol Dj is a super smart kid and a worker
 
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