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Jai Lucas set to become next men’s basketball coach

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cookies said:
With the program on life support (per your description), you would suggest a head coach whose tournament tested & deeply experienced…. Good call
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What a ******* bad liar you are. I never said the program was "on life support". You are incapable of typing ANYTHING accurately unless you copy-paste directly from Google.
 

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JZCane0825 said:
Dude can't decide what side of the fence he's on.
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Look at you two little dip****s, having your own pity party for one another.

First, you shouldn't have to be on "one side of the fence". But if I had to pick a side, it would be the logical, rational one, which is the opposite side from you and cookiepuss.

Second, I've been very clear. But because my viewpoints are superior to yours, both in logic and argumentative persuasion, you choose to attack me. Fine with me, I've never cared what the idiot porsters think of me.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
Look at you two little dip****s, having your own pity party for one another.

First, you shouldn't have to be on "one side of the fence". But if I had to pick a side, it would be the logical, rational one, which is the opposite side from you and cookiepuss.

Second, I've been very clear. But because my viewpoints are superior to yours, both in logic and argumentative persuasion, you choose to attack me. Fine with me, I've never cared what the idiot porsters think of me.
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I’ve forgotten more about the game than you’ll ever know
 
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Peter Ariz said:
Heard that Coach Lucas has been making the rounds calling boosters and making intros already. This is a prerequisite now at the position, but heard there have been a serious personal touch to the calls and he's made an early impression.
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If his personality is anything like his dad, he will quickly be well liked by boosters, administration, and fans. Pops seemed like an all time good guy who fought through a lot in his early life, but just couldn’t put it together in the W-L column.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
What a ******* bad liar you are. I never said the program was "on life support". You are incapable of typing ANYTHING accurately unless you copy-paste directly from Google.
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"Tommy Lloyd".

Sure. First, he was with Gonzaga for TWENTY-ONE years. So that's at least a better track record than what Jai Lucas brings.

More importantly, he followed 12 years of consistent success from Sean Miller. 7 years in the NCAA tournament (including 3 Elite 8s and 2 Sweet 16s). I'd even argue that Miller's last 2 years (21-11 amd 17-9) were not as bad as Larranaga's last 2 years.

If Miami hired a 21-year assistant coach from Gonzaga after two NOT-disastrous years of Larranaga, maybe things wouldn't be as dire.

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Definition of dire: (of a situation or event) extremely urgent or serious; (of a warning or threat) presaging disaster

You also stated this was a DISASTROUS hiring cycle among other things. So the past two years were disasters, the hiring cycle was disastrous, and things are currently dire — a comparison to life-support seems on the money. I did not use quotation marks in my post btw.
 
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canesbaby said:
If his personality is anything like his dad, he will quickly be well liked by boosters, administration, and fans. Pops seemed like an all time good guy who fought through a lot in his early life, but just couldn’t put it together in the W-L column.
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Unfortunately weren’t a ton of opportunities back then, despite his success in San Antonio, and the Philly and Cleveland jobs were terrible. He was hired to be a tank commander.

He only became the HC of San Antonio because Tarkanian & the owner disagreed on the roster. He wasn’t an assistant, for Tarkanian, and then was elevated to become the interim coach. He was an outside hire mid-season.

Fueled by raw energy and an endless stream of Diet Coke, Lucas is in constant overdrive. Because his hiring on Dec. 18 came with hardly any warning, Lucas was forced to dash to the Houston airport from the offices of his company, John H. Lucas Enterprises, without packing any clothes.

San Antonio went through a weird period before Popovich. Larry Brown, Jerry Tarkanian, Bob Hill, and Lucas were all fired in a span of half a dozen years. 3 of the 4 did very well there.

By hiring Lucas, Spur owner Red McCombs realized he would be opening himself to criticism. First of all, Lucas, who retired as a player just before the 1990-91 season, had no NBA coaching experience….

But none of the negatives mattered to McCombs, who himself has been a recovering alcoholic since Nov. 12, 1977. Moreover, McCombs knew firsthand that Lucas had a special way with people and an uncanny ability to cut straight to the heart of an athlete, because he had witnessed the rehabilitation magic Lucas worked with former NBA All-Star George (the Iceman) Gervin, the most celebrated player in Spur history.

Lucas wasn't sure he wanted to become an NBA coach until last summer when he coached the Miami Tropics to the United States Basketball League Championship. Lucas had purchased the Tropics as a unique addition to his athletes' aftercare program and then appointed himself to run the club. Six of the 10 men on the roster were in recovery, including former NBA players Ken Bannister, Grant Gondrezick, Roy Tarpley and Duane Washington.

The Tropics presented the players with a small-scale version of the day-today temptations that face big league athletes. For eight weeks, Lucas led daily therapy sessions, administered drug tests and chauffeured the guys on road trips, driving a van as many as 750 miles at a clip, "it was the closest team I've ever been on," Lucas says.

Coaching the Tropics broadened Lucas's perspective on the ways he could inspire others in recovery. "It taught me that basketball is an extension of what I do," he says.

Some of his former NBA coaches believe Lucas may be a natural in his latest job. At week's end, the Spurs, who were 9-11 under Lucas's predecessor, Jerry Tarkanian, had stormed to an impressive 5-1 record under his leadership, including a thrilling 114-113 overtime triumph over red-hot Phoenix on Sunday night that ended the Suns' 14-game winning streak.

"John won't just be a good coach, he'll be a great one," says the Golden State Warriors' Don Nelson, who coached Lucas on the Milwaukee Bucks in 1987. "He relates to players as well or better than anybody I've been around. He coaches like a point guard. He knows exactly what should and shouldn't be asked of players."

Didn’t help Lucas that they got a new owner midway through his tenure. However, Lucas II won 55+ games the year he was fired. Never really got a fair shake.

From what I can gather, seems like Pop wanted him to stay but the new owner wanted him gone.

"I'm deeply disappointed that he chose not to continue with the Spurs because I felt he was the right coach for the Spurs," Popovich said.

Don Nelson and Gregg Popovich, along with Pat Riley, are the only NBA coaches to win coach of the year 3 times.
 
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Peter Ariz said:
Heard that Coach Lucas has been making the rounds calling boosters and making intros already. This is a prerequisite now at the position, but heard there have been a serious personal touch to the calls and he's made an early impression.
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Oh, that was who called this morning...... I thought it was a telemarketer and hung up .
 
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cookies said:
Unfortunately weren’t a ton of opportunities back then, despite his success in San Antonio, and the Philly and Cleveland jobs were terrible. He was hired to be a tank commander.

He only became the HC of San Antonio because Tarkanian & the owner disagreed on the roster. He wasn’t an assistant, for Tarkanian, and then was elevated to become the interim coach. He was an outside hire mid-season.

Fueled by raw energy and an endless stream of Diet Coke, Lucas is in constant overdrive. Because his hiring on Dec. 18 came with hardly any warning, Lucas was forced to dash to the Houston airport from the offices of his company, John H. Lucas Enterprises, without packing any clothes.

San Antonio went through a weird period before Popovich. Larry Brown, Jerry Tarkanian, Bob Hill, and Lucas were all fired in a span of half a dozen years. 3 of the 4 did very well there.

By hiring Lucas, Spur owner Red McCombs realized he would be opening himself to criticism. First of all, Lucas, who retired as a player just before the 1990-91 season, had no NBA coaching experience….

But none of the negatives mattered to McCombs, who himself has been a recovering alcoholic since Nov. 12, 1977. Moreover, McCombs knew firsthand that Lucas had a special way with people and an uncanny ability to cut straight to the heart of an athlete, because he had witnessed the rehabilitation magic Lucas worked with former NBA All-Star George (the Iceman) Gervin, the most celebrated player in Spur history.

Lucas wasn't sure he wanted to become an NBA coach until last summer when he coached the Miami Tropics to the United States Basketball League Championship. Lucas had purchased the Tropics as a unique addition to his athletes' aftercare program and then appointed himself to run the club. Six of the 10 men on the roster were in recovery, including former NBA players Ken Bannister, Grant Gondrezick, Roy Tarpley and Duane Washington.

The Tropics presented the players with a small-scale version of the day-today temptations that face big league athletes. For eight weeks, Lucas led daily therapy sessions, administered drug tests and chauffeured the guys on road trips, driving a van as many as 750 miles at a clip, "it was the closest team I've ever been on," Lucas says.

Coaching the Tropics broadened Lucas's perspective on the ways he could inspire others in recovery. "It taught me that basketball is an extension of what I do," he says.

Some of his former NBA coaches believe Lucas may be a natural in his latest job. At week's end, the Spurs, who were 9-11 under Lucas's predecessor, Jerry Tarkanian, had stormed to an impressive 5-1 record under his leadership, including a thrilling 114-113 overtime triumph over red-hot Phoenix on Sunday night that ended the Suns' 14-game winning streak.

"John won't just be a good coach, he'll be a great one," says the Golden State Warriors' Don Nelson, who coached Lucas on the Milwaukee Bucks in 1987. "He relates to players as well or better than anybody I've been around. He coaches like a point guard. He knows exactly what should and shouldn't be asked of players."

Didn’t help Lucas that they got a new owner midway through his tenure. However, Lucas II won 55+ games the year he was fired. Never really got a fair shake.

From what I can gather, seems like Pop wanted him to stay but the new owner wanted him gone.

"I'm deeply disappointed that he chose not to continue with the Spurs because I felt he was the right coach for the Spurs," Popovich said.

Don Nelson and Gregg Popovich, along with Pat Riley, are the only NBA coaches to win coach of the year 3 times.
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Do you not understand the major differences between coaching in the NBA and coaching in college? Let's walk through the differences and why those differences make it easier for an inexperienced HC to succeed in the NBA compared to his inexperienced collegiate counterpart

College Coaches are Responsible For
Talent Acquisition
Public Relations
Fundraising
Budgeting
Coaching
Auxiliary Staff Formation

NBA Coaches are responsible for

Coaching
Maybe Talent Acquisition, and that's usually a responsibility given to proven winners that want to serve as GM.

Thanks to long term contracts and the like, you also aren't turning the roster over every year, and if you have a superstar, as long as you keep them happy, you will have a shot at winning. Honestly, it's a lot easier to be an NBA coach, compared to coaching in college. There's a reason why first time HCs can have success in the NBA, while it is rare for a first time HC to win big stepping into a P4 job, outside of either inheriting a machine(Scheyer), or being an experienced assistant that gets a blue blood job(Lloyd). There's a reason why most serious P4 programs don't hire assistants as HC, unless there's a compelling reason(Hubert Davis), or they have the resources and support to make it as easy for the coach as humanly possible(Again, Tommy Lloyd). Even then, the failure rate is significantly higher for them, compared to their experienced, proven colleagues.
 
Canedude08 said:
Do you not understand the major differences between coaching in the NBA and coaching in college? Let's walk through the differences and why those differences make it easier for an inexperienced HC to succeed in the NBA compared to his inexperienced collegiate counterpart

College Coaches are Responsible For
Talent Acquisition
Public Relations
Fundraising
Budgeting
Coaching
Auxiliary Staff Formation

NBA Coaches are responsible for

Coaching
Maybe Talent Acquisition, and that's usually a responsibility given to proven winners that want to serve as GM.

Thanks to long term contracts and the like, you also aren't turning the roster over every year, and if you have a superstar, as long as you keep them happy, you will have a shot at winning. Honestly, it's a lot easier to be an NBA coach, compared to coaching in college. There's a reason why first time HCs can have success in the NBA, while it is rare for a first time HC to win big stepping into a P4 job, outside of either inheriting a machine(Scheyer), or being an experienced assistant that gets a blue blood job(Lloyd). There's a reason why most serious P4 programs don't hire assistants as HC, unless there's a compelling reason(Hubert Davis), or they have the resources and support to make it as easy for the coach as humanly possible(Again, Tommy Lloyd). Even then, the failure rate is significantly higher for them, compared to their experienced, proven colleagues.
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LOL what does any of that have to do with anything discussed about your post regarding John Lucas II’s record? That is everything my reply was about; because the second half of your post removed context that I’ve seen repeated on here about Jai’s father.

As I stated elsewhere my high school coach, who played d1 college basketball himself, had a son play for L at George Mason, grew up with L, and introduced our team to him when he was at UM.

Did some video work for a mid major cbb school for one season. Talked with a bunch of hoopers, support staff members and coaches I know; been following both levels of sport for the majority of my life. My cousin started on a final four team at UCONN. I am well aware of the differences.

Not relitigating Jai haha. Done going back n forth with y’all sad boys — the upcoming seasons (plural) will grade him
 
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