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Issiah Walker

wspcane said:
99% of teams do not have the number of decommitments that Miami has and are not surrounded by the cesspool that is recruiting in South Florida. The same way you can't compare IW to any of those other situations, you cannot compare Miami's recruiting issues to any other school. Those schools can afford to take a flyer on something like that.

Personally, I disagree that he did a good job of wading through the policy and culture change, mainly because of:

1) Allowing your starting QB to go AWOL and then play that weekend;
2) Allowing your backup QB to just take off a month and come right back;
3) Losing off of every bye week;
4) Losing to inferior teams and dancing on the sidelines while doing so;
5) Making a whole to-do over the value of the Miami offer and then having this nonsense happen with Francios;
6) Potentially repeating the same pattern this recruiting season with Jacolby George;
7) Bringing back Jeff Thomas and it going up in flames;
8) Then doing the exact same thing with Cleveland Reed (which I truly hope goes better for the team, kid, and Manny).

I am sure you will just say the mopes are out and then not have any facts or basis to support your stance. In fact, I have no idea how you could think they did a good job of wading through the policy and culture change unless you broke into @RVACane place of residence and are half way through his special reserve stash.
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PittsburghCane said:
And we’re sure this covers both direct recruits and transfers? Because transfers have a whole set of rules to go along with the basic recruit rules. And NCAA bylaws are too plentiful to just assume this is the only doc on it.
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Well, if that transfer is going to be on scholarship (=receive financial aid) the rules you quoted are unequivocal.
 
AllAboutTheU said:
I thought i read that initial counters reset in August?
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I don't think people understand what that means.

Oh, sure, I guess that means we could just enroll 25 transfers. Wrong.

There's no such thing as a "reset". You can simply give out 25 FIRST-TIME grants of financial aid that apply to a particular year. Now, I usually call this "enrollees", but the rule clearly talks about signees. Meaning, if we had SIGNED Moise, and then he didn't qualify, we don't just "get back" his IC slot because he fails to enroll, we LOSE his IC slot because he SIGNED a financial aid agreement or an LOI.

So here's how things work.

The very first year of the IC rules, you had 25 slots. And they applied to a particular year. Let's say the year was 2015-2016. That meant, you got 25 slots for that year. In the olden days, most of the kids would report in the fall, and some would report "early". But they all counted towards that year. Thus, in Year 1 (2015-2016 in my example), you could give 25 new financial aid awards, which could be given in Fall 2015, Summer 2015, or Spring 2015. You didn't get to "beat the rule" by enrolling 25 new kids in the spring and 25 new kids in the fall.

Once the rule was established, if you didn't give out 25 full scholarships in Year 1, you could use those IC slots the next year (countbacks). So for Year 2 (the 2016-2017 academic year), you could give out 25 new scholarships and whatever number remained unawarded from Year 1. And so on and so on and so on.

So for the 2020-2021 academic year, we have 25 slots (to be awarded in Fall 2020, Summer 2020, or Spring 2020, but it COULD ALSO include Spring 2021 or Summer 2021, assuming we don't give out all 25).

It was my understanding that we have used 24 slots and had no countbacks, thus ONE IC SLOT LEFT. Apparently, though, Ivins is saying we have one countback ALSO.

Look, the certification date is the Fall. When you submit your IC report to the fall, and let's say you have 26 names on the list, then you have to state that you have 25 that count towards the current year (2020-2021) and one that counts towards a prior year (2019-2020).

THAT'S NOT A COUNT FORWARD.

You only "count forward" if you are a Spring or Summer enrollee.

Thus, for our 2020-2021 year, when we certify and send the report, we will include (a) whoever enrolls for Fall 2020 and gets financial aid for the first time, (b) anyone who enrolled in Summer 2020 (if there even is a Summer 2020) and gets financial aid for the first time, (c) anyone who enrolled in Spring 2020 and got financial aid for the first time, (d) anyone we signed who did not qualify, and (e) anyone who got financial aid from Spring 2020 to Fall 2020 who we want to count back towards a prior year.

That's it.

No "count forwards" for Fall 2020. Only countbacks. Not sure how we got another countback, if it came from the mid-year replacement rule, or the Asa Martin appeal, or some other lie that Manny told.

But I'm not going to argue if we DO have a countback. I would love it if we do, and we can get both Walker and Williams.

But we don't have "count-forwards" for Fall 2020. That's not a real thing.
 
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PittsburghCane said:
And we’re sure this covers both direct recruits and transfers? Because transfers have a whole set of rules to go along with the basic recruit rules. And NCAA bylaws are too plentiful to just assume this is the only doc on it.
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Yes, it covers recruits AND transfers. Everyone who signs an LOI/Financial Aid Agreement for the first time. EVERYONE. With the exception of walk-ons who have been at the school for a year (or other-sport scholarship athletes who have been there for a year, such as Jimmy Graham).
 
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Go Canes!! said:
I’m talking about how they handled things since the season ended, especially the unity shown by the incoming recruiting class.

We all agree the entire first season was an unmitigated disaster.
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Gotcha. My bad for misunderstanding. I hope to god he takes what he has done these last two offseasons and does the same this season. I will be the first to eat crow. We will be cooking if so.
 
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Mikep said:
Yup, I don't need all the foreplay! lol
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FreePawn said:
Well, if that transfer is going to be on scholarship (=receive financial aid) the rules you quoted are unequivocal.
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15.5.6.3.2 Recruited Student-Athlete Entering After Fall Term, Aided in First Year. [FBS/FCS] A
student-athlete recruited (per Bylaw 15.02.8) by the awarding institution who enters after the first term of the academic year and immediately receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) shall be an initial counter for either the current academic year (if the institution’s annual limit has not been reached) or the next academic year. The student-athlete shall be included in the institution’s total counter limit during the academic year in which the aid was first received. (Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

Last sentence basically is a count forward. This is why you can’t just live by a single bylaw. There’s thousands of them.
 
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