Is this the best chance we have?

[Ernie McCracken]

55-58k would be ideal. I think in the big games against FSU or if a top, tradition rich team came in the place would be bursting at the seams if it held 55-58k. I think for the other games we would get 40k when we get back into the top 10 consistently.

Man, I went to games at the orange bowl that had over 80,000 ppl.

40k against FSU isn't cutting it

 

[mirvin88]

Only if they can get rid of that *** *** home run thing for our games

 

[TheStorm305]

Guys, its not gonna happen. we're locked into a deal right now for 25 years, most of u old ****ers wont be alive in 25 years lol. Anyone know if there is even language in the contract about a possible buy-out?? (which im sure there is).

Things are going to get done to No-Life stadium, but this **** is pointless, I grew up in the OB, but it was a ****hole towards the end.

We play in an NFL stadium right now, which regardless of the bill being shot down, minor renovations are always being done in NFL stadiums. Thats all that place needs, a few tweaks. Its more about the product on the field, and when that is up to our standards, and bringing in the money its supposed too. U have more options.

But as of now this is our situation, accept it and stop with the pipe dreams.

 

[TheRagingWolf]

55-58k would be ideal. I think in the big games against FSU or if a top, tradition rich team came in the place would be bursting at the seams if it held 55-58k. I think for the other games we would get 40k when we get back into the top 10 consistently.

Man, I went to games at the orange bowl that had over 80,000 ppl.

40k against FSU isn't cutting it

Learn to ******* read. I never said anything about 40k for FSU. I said we would sell out for FSU and for other top teams that come through. We might have gotten 80k for a game against FSU, but it wasn't all Miami fans. FSU and Florida bring A LOT of fans into our stadium which fills it up. We bring more than usual, but they both bring a lot too.

 

[Ernie McCracken]

That was true before the stadium renovations were shot down.

Now it's different.

The Dolphins might move, which means Sun Life would get bulldozed. Then we'd have to find another place to play.

Guys, its not gonna happen. we're locked into a deal right now for 25 years, most of u old ****ers wont be alive in 25 years lol. Anyone know if there is even language in the contract about a possible buy-out?? (which im sure there is).

Things are going to get done to No-Life stadium, but this **** is pointless, I grew up in the OB, but it was a ****hole towards the end.

We play in an NFL stadium right now, which regardless of the bill being shot down, minor renovations are always being done in NFL stadiums. Thats all that place needs, a few tweaks. Its more about the product on the field, and when that is up to our standards, and bringing in the money its supposed too. U have more options.

But as of now this is our situation, accept it and stop with the pipe dreams.

 

[Consigliere]

Guys, its not gonna happen. we're locked into a deal right now for 25 years, most of u old ****ers wont be alive in 25 years lol.

Dear LOL,

Can you please provide me with a copy of our lease agreement with the stadium?

If you don't have one, please provide me with the pertinent details?

If you have no information, stop filling other idiots with this nonsense. This is the issue, we have fans with no information telling other fans with no information it can't be done. The blind leading the blind.

 

[Houtxcane]

Neither am I, but just for discussion sake let's say the biggest part of the renovation ticket is the structural cost for seating on the outfield side, and the lesser cost is the seating subtraction to accommodate length. Say, 50 million? That's appears to be a very doable number for DS to produce, no? Dome to boot. I'm in.

As a fan, it's a great idea to take it over. But as a business you you have to think this through. 50 million would just be construction. To consider this kind of project (40k+ stadium) you have to think about long-term operating costs, etc. in addition to buildout costs. What is the school going to do off season? What about maintenance and up-keep? What about staffing costs (full-time/part-time). Parking management? Vendor management? 3rd party management contract? What about politics and stakholder management? It's expensive and not a core business of an University. Better to lease one than own one. The responsibilities and costs increase significantly with ownership.

 

[Consigliere]

Neither am I, but just for discussion sake let's say the biggest part of the renovation ticket is the structural cost for seating on the outfield side, and the lesser cost is the seating subtraction to accommodate length. Say, 50 million? That's appears to be a very doable number for DS to produce, no? Dome to boot. I'm in.

As a fan, it's a great idea to take it over. But as a business you you have to think this through. 50 million would just be construction. To consider this kind of project (40k+ stadium) you have to think about long-term operating costs, etc. in addition to buildout costs. What is the school going to do off season? What about maintenance and up-keep? What about staffing costs (full-time/part-time). Parking management? Vendor management? 3rd party management contract? What about politics and stakholder management? It's expensive and not a core business of an University. Better to lease one than own one. The responsibilities and costs increase significantly with ownership.

Then why did a small school like Tulane build one? This is just like anything else, you own then you have to pay maintenance, upkeep, insurance etc.

Since this is a business, you failed to mention the following (PRETTY MAJOR) the increase in revenues.

There are naming rights....CHA CHING

There are off season events....CHA CHING

There will be no more splitting of the gate....CHA CHING

The issue I have with this is that it seems that getting a stadium is a lot of HARD WORK and very TIME CONSUMING, neither of which can't be overcome with proper planning and drive.

 

[TheStorm305]

Guys, its not gonna happen. we're locked into a deal right now for 25 years, most of u old ****ers wont be alive in 25 years lol.

Dear LOL,

Can you please provide me with a copy of our lease agreement with the stadium?

If you don't have one, please provide me with the pertinent details?

If you have no information, stop filling other idiots with this nonsense. This is the issue, we have fans with no information telling other fans with no information it can't be done. The blind leading the blind.

http://www.bizjournals.com/southflorida/stories/2007/08/20/daily9.html?t=printable

"UM, which has a 25-year contract with Dolphin Stadium, said the move will boost its recruiting efforts."



yeah so about that no information bull**** u were saying. I'm not one of these ******** out here running around spewing nonsense i dont know about.

i don't know about the buyout language, which is why i asked.

 

[Consigliere]

Guys, its not gonna happen. we're locked into a deal right now for 25 years, most of u old ****ers wont be alive in 25 years lol.

Dear LOL,

Can you please provide me with a copy of our lease agreement with the stadium?

If you don't have one, please provide me with the pertinent details?

If you have no information, stop filling other idiots with this nonsense. This is the issue, we have fans with no information telling other fans with no information it can't be done. The blind leading the blind.

http://www.bizjournals.com/southflorida/stories/2007/08/20/daily9.html?t=printable

"UM, which has a 25-year contract with Dolphin Stadium, said the move will boost its recruiting efforts."



yeah so about that no information bull**** u were saying. I'm not one of these ******** out here running around spewing nonsense i dont know about.

i don't know about the buyout language, which is why i asked.

You have none, that is the length. We all knew that.

What is the buy out?

Are there ways we can break the lease? Perhaps the LL isn't living up to the expectations with renovations? Perhaps the LL has obligations that they have failed to fulfill?

You don't have the information that is relevant. We all know a coach may have 7 years on the contract left but what really governs is the buy-out? What is the buy out?

 

[TheStorm305]

I never claimed to have any of that information starting with my first post, which is why i asked!!!

All I stated was that we were currently in a 25 year deal. which we are. No one knows any of the details of the contract, so its stupid to speculate either way. The contract is not public records, and very little details have come out about it.

The city just built a ******* stadium, and it blew up in their face. One of the biggest blunders in this cities history. But now they're gonna bulldoze Sun-Life and build a new one for a franchise thats made the playoffs how many years in the last 15?? The Lolphins??

Both the teams that have played in that stadium have sucked for how long?? but we feel as though they deserve new stadiums, is that the real reason these teams suck?? Thats where the bad fit, and the money issues come into play. We've sucked, and one thing we know about south florida fans, they might not show if u win, but they sure as **** wont if u suck.

Whos discussing all this non-sense about buy-outs and new stadiums?? the fans?? the media?? Has anyone from either side thats actually involved in this planning been discussing these possibilities publicly??

 

[Consigliere]

A few things and please relax. My point is that the term of the lease isn't the important part here, the buyout (which we don't know) is what governs. The buyout can end the arrangement TODAY.

My other point is that the school needs to start getting something together because the current situation is terrible. We prayed (not me but the people with decision making power) for renovations to fix the game day experience and it did not go through (shocker). Failure on the school to do so, failure on the AD to have this as the solution to fixing the problems.

I am done with south florida fans, if they show up...they show up. If only 45K show up consistently then build a 45K stadium and call it a day. If a team with a stadium leaves town and the asset comes available, look into purchasing it at a discount and renovating.

 

[Houtxcane]

Neither am I, but just for discussion sake let's say the biggest part of the renovation ticket is the structural cost for seating on the outfield side, and the lesser cost is the seating subtraction to accommodate length. Say, 50 million? That's appears to be a very doable number for DS to produce, no? Dome to boot. I'm in.

As a fan, it's a great idea to take it over. But as a business you you have to think this through. 50 million would just be construction. To consider this kind of project (40k+ stadium) you have to think about long-term operating costs, etc. in addition to buildout costs. What is the school going to do off season? What about maintenance and up-keep? What about staffing costs (full-time/part-time). Parking management? Vendor management? 3rd party management contract? What about politics and stakholder management? It's expensive and not a core business of an University. Better to lease one than own one. The responsibilities and costs increase significantly with ownership.

Then why did a small school like Tulane build one? This is just like anything else, you own then you have to pay maintenance, upkeep, insurance etc.

Since this is a business, you failed to mention the following (PRETTY MAJOR) the increase in revenues.

There are naming rights....CHA CHING

There are off season events....CHA CHING

There will be no more splitting of the gate....CHA CHING

The issue I have with this is that it seems that getting a stadium is a lot of HARD WORK and very TIME CONSUMING, neither of which can't be overcome with proper planning and drive.

Didn't know this was going to turn into a debate, but here it goes.

There are naming rights....CHA CHING
- Probably not. If you expect donor funds, the naming rights goes to the donor. See Tulane's case (since you mentioned it).

There are off season events....CHA CHING
- Who is managing this? If this was so easy, olympic stadiums would be making money instead of crumbling around the world.

There will be no more splitting of the gate....CHA CHING
- Yes, but it would be years before you can make the money to cover the cost of buildout and operations.

BTW, I am an alum of both Miami and Tulane. The info on Tulane stadium that makes it different from Miami's situation are:

1. Land - Tulane already has the on-campus land and most of the 55 million construction cost (Still wondering why they are doing it...ego-maniac president wants legacy).
2. Location - New Orleans is in a rebuilding mode. Much easier to get through the political process to get anything done (try that with Coral Gables/Miami)
3. Tulane stadium is small and not state-of-the-art. 30,000 including standing room (Marlin Park - c'mon, it has a retractable roof. Maintenance anyone?)
4. Shared use - Tulane stadium replaces the practice field and has built-in conference space for school use (Drive over to Marlin Park for a meeting?)
5. Tulane had a stadium on-campus for many years (site of the old sugar bowl), memory of it still runs strong with some locals (check the donor list).

The bottom line is the situation for Tulane is different. No one will know for sure what the cost for UM would be in the long-run unless you do a detailed feasibility analysis (which includes monetary and non-monetary considerations). I am pretty sure the school has done one (internal or contracted) and the case is not there. That's why the statements made by the school has been very consistent on this issue.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

I've been rooting for the Marlins to lose every game, exhibition, and scrimmage. I will continue to do so.

Can't hurt. My wish before I die is that we return to where we belong. I don't care how much of a longshot it is...anything to get us out of that God forsaken piece of garbage stadium.

 

[Consigliere]

Neither am I, but just for discussion sake let's say the biggest part of the renovation ticket is the structural cost for seating on the outfield side, and the lesser cost is the seating subtraction to accommodate length. Say, 50 million? That's appears to be a very doable number for DS to produce, no? Dome to boot. I'm in.

As a fan, it's a great idea to take it over. But as a business you you have to think this through. 50 million would just be construction. To consider this kind of project (40k+ stadium) you have to think about long-term operating costs, etc. in addition to buildout costs. What is the school going to do off season? What about maintenance and up-keep? What about staffing costs (full-time/part-time). Parking management? Vendor management? 3rd party management contract? What about politics and stakholder management? It's expensive and not a core business of an University. Better to lease one than own one. The responsibilities and costs increase significantly with ownership.

Then why did a small school like Tulane build one? This is just like anything else, you own then you have to pay maintenance, upkeep, insurance etc.

Since this is a business, you failed to mention the following (PRETTY MAJOR) the increase in revenues.

There are naming rights....CHA CHING

There are off season events....CHA CHING

There will be no more splitting of the gate....CHA CHING

The issue I have with this is that it seems that getting a stadium is a lot of HARD WORK and very TIME CONSUMING, neither of which can't be overcome with proper planning and drive.

Didn't know this was going to turn into a debate, but here it goes.

There are naming rights....CHA CHING
- Probably not. If you expect donor funds, the naming rights goes to the donor. See Tulane's case (since you mentioned it).

There are off season events....CHA CHING
- Who is managing this? If this was so easy, olympic stadiums would be making money instead of crumbling around the world.

There will be no more splitting of the gate....CHA CHING
- Yes, but it would be years before you can make the money to cover the cost of buildout and operations.

BTW, I am an alum of both Miami and Tulane. The info on Tulane stadium that makes it different from Miami's situation are:

1. Land - Tulane already has the on-campus land and most of the 55 million construction cost (Still wondering why they are doing it...ego-maniac president wants legacy).
2. Location - New Orleans is in a rebuilding mode. Much easier to get through the political process to get anything done (try that with Coral Gables/Miami)
3. Tulane stadium is small and not state-of-the-art. 30,000 including standing room (Marlin Park - c'mon, it has a retractable roof. Maintenance anyone?)
4. Shared use - Tulane stadium replaces the practice field and has built-in conference space for school use (Drive over to Marlin Park for a meeting?)
5. Tulane had a stadium on-campus for many years (site of the old sugar bowl), memory of it still runs strong with some locals (check the donor list).

The bottom line is the situation for Tulane is different. No one will know for sure what the cost for UM would be in the long-run unless you do a detailed feasibility analysis (which includes monetary and non-monetary considerations). I am pretty sure the school has done one (internal or contracted) and the case is not there. That's why the statements made by the school has been very consistent on this issue.

Good stuff....almost went to Tulane for undergrad.

I hear ya, just an FYI the school owns a bunch of land too that is undeveloped by the zoo.

Also, I am assuming we could purchase the Marlins land/Stadium from XYZ since there will be no major use for it.

Since this would be the schools asset I am sure a committee could be in charge of renting it out for events, shows etc. Unlike Olympic stuff, this would be a major asset for our school and would require people to run it year round.

Sure naming rights would go to donors and that is fine but there is sponsors (Official Beer of Hurricane's Field) and other ways that could generate revenue that are associated with control.

My big issues with this stuff is that our AD and Admin don't have the drive or desire to really get this done. I think it would take an opportunity to buy an already made product (Marlins Stadium) and alter it.

 

[dskilz3]

I do not understand why their was no foresight to build a mixed use facility where Marlins Park stands and bring the Hurricanes back home? Especially when you take into account the public funding, the history of the site, and the lackluster attendance track record of the Loria owned Marlins. Why could two birds not have been killed with one stone, or would it have become even more of a disaster then it already is? I just think if you are going to build it, why not do it so it can maximize its profit potential and suit the Marlins, the Canes, Soccer, concerts, etc.? I know common sense is not at play in discussions involving stadium building and public financing but come on, despite the bad economic timing of the proposal, you still had to pursue all avenues to make this place as profitable and self sustaining as it could be, while also making those same tax payers who voted to pay for it, happy with the final product. Dammit.

 

[dookie blaylock]

I do not understand why their was no foresight to build a mixed use facility where Marlins Park stands and bring the Hurricanes back home? Especially when you take into account the public funding, the history of the site, and the lackluster attendance track record of the Loria owned Marlins. Why could two birds not have been killed with one stone, or would it have become even more of a disaster then it already is? I just think if you are going to build it, why not do it so it can maximize its profit potential and suit the Marlins, the Canes, Soccer, concerts, etc.? I know common sense is not at play in discussions involving stadium building and public financing but come on, despite the bad economic timing of the proposal, you still had to pursue all avenues to make this place as profitable and self sustaining as it could be, while also making those same tax payers who voted to pay for it, happy with the final product. Dammit.

it's because loria knew exactly what he was doing when he built the facility. he essentially monopolized it because the sight lines for anything but baseball are absolutely horrid. great sell to the mlb, but ****-poor to anyone else.

 

[Dandycane]

The day the destruction of the Orange Bowl was proposed I said it was the worst decision in UM football history and a simple money grab by a corrupt Miami city government composed of 3rd world outsiders.

Glad to have been vindicated.

I remember a guy named Canecastic on Canes Time said the day the OB went down, that the new Marlin stadium would be the home of U football within 10 years.

Dude is a prophet.

 

[FullyERicht]

I've been rooting for the Marlins to lose every game, exhibition, and scrimmage. I will continue to do so.

Can't hurt. My wish before I die is that we return to where we belong. I don't care how much of a longshot it is...anything to get us out of that God forsaken piece of garbage stadium.

Amen.....**** the ******* useless Marlins. A franchise that has no business existing.

The city of Miami has ONE elite sports team in history, and it lost its home so a ***gy art dealer and the 5000 mad fans of his joke team could build a Cuban Fantasy Land. Disgusting.

 

[TheStorm305]

A few things and please relax. My point is that the term of the lease isn't the important part here, the buyout (which we don't know) is what governs. The buyout can end the arrangement TODAY.

My other point is that the school needs to start getting something together because the current situation is terrible. We prayed (not me but the people with decision making power) for renovations to fix the game day experience and it did not go through (shocker). Failure on the school to do so, failure on the AD to have this as the solution to fixing the problems.

I am done with south florida fans, if they show up...they show up. If only 45K show up consistently then build a 45K stadium and call it a day. If a team with a stadium leaves town and the asset comes available, look into purchasing it at a discount and renovating.

I'm calm, I just cant see anything happening in the near future, besides minor renovations done by dolphins ownership. We don't have the deep pockets as a school, and the city wont fund another project like this.

I might be easy to please, but I have a **** good time every game whether we win or lose. they just played a national championship game and a superbowl in this stadium but its somehow not enuff?? Just WIN

I remember as a young pup having to be in our seats 2 and a half hours early for a noon kickoff in 95 degree florida heat for a big game (they ran out of ****** water at a game), weve come a long **** way.