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Is this the best chance we have?
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My main issue with this concept is the size. Even with the additional seating via pull out bleachers, the capacity must max out at 45K. Would this work in the short run for many games? Sure, but we're limiting ourselves on big games and when we get back to the top of the game. Additionally, I could see the infield being an issue again (even they show a pic of it covered for a soccer game, not sure that they'd do it for 6 games/yr)
Lastly, aren't we locked into a 25 yr lease? What're the options for getting out of the current deal? Do we want to burn that bridge in the event that a move back to little havana doesn't work out for us?
Lastly, aren't we locked into a 25 yr lease? What're the options for getting out of the current deal? Do we want to burn that bridge in the event that a move back to little havana doesn't work out for us?
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imagine the wezzies invading the Roosevelt after a big win. lol
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A few things (assuming we can get the stadium, Marlins bounce and we play there):
1. The stadium needs to be altered for football as the main attraction, the outfield is gone and replace the it with seats.
Looking at the picture above, you would bring bring the seats in (at around center field) and fence it off toward third base. In addition, you would bring the seats closer to the field (outfield and first base side).
2. 45,000 would be a dream, I think we could pack a 45,000 stadium and have an actual home field advantage. I would top it at 50,000 for the big games too. But the goal is to create a college atmosphere/experience. The BS we play in now is the worst.
3. Remember if it is our stadium, we can use it for other revenue events not just football. We will also make more money from ticket sales and concessions since there is no splitting revenue.
4. The 25 year lease that NOBODY has read and not many have any real information about.
Like I said 1000 times, if the School wants a stadium a [unknown] buy-out clause won't stop them. Since I have zero information about the buy-out or any provisions in the lease, what point is there to discuss the "possible" terms?
This all has to do with drive and desire. It is up to the school but if the stadium goes vacant (i.e. the Marlins leave) and we don't have anything in place, we will know a lot about the school. Essentially there will be a built stadium that requires renovations to tailor it to our needs.
A few things (assuming we can get the stadium, Marlins bounce and we play there):
1. The stadium needs to be altered for football as the main attraction, the outfield is gone and replace the it with seats.
Looking at the picture above, you would bring bring the seats in (at around center field) and fence it off toward third base. In addition, you would bring the seats closer to the field (outfield and first base side).
2. 45,000 would be a dream, I think we could pack a 45,000 stadium and have an actual home field advantage. I would top it at 50,000 for the big games too. But the goal is to create a college atmosphere/experience. The BS we play in now is the worst.
3. Remember if it is our stadium, we can use it for other revenue events not just football. We will also make more money from ticket sales and concessions since there is no splitting revenue.
4. The 25 year lease that NOBODY has read and not many have any real information about.
Like I said 1000 times, if the School wants a stadium a [unknown] buy-out clause won't stop them. Since I have zero information about the buy-out or any provisions in the lease, what point is there to discuss the "possible" terms?
This all has to do with drive and desire. It is up to the school but if the stadium goes vacant (i.e. the Marlins leave) and we don't have anything in place, we will know a lot about the school. Essentially there will be a built stadium that requires renovations to tailor it to our needs.
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It requires renovations to fit football.
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Soccer field are 110 yards minimum for International matches, so that field has to be upwards of that.
First, don't be a jack off and refer in childish fashion to the athletic director. The guy's been on the job less than a year and only a fool what saddle him with any blame. As for the Marlins stadium, the idea has been floated before the place even opened. It's intriguing and worthy of discussion. What needs to be addressed - and presumably there are some legal hounds on this board - are issues related to the Sun Life lease. Can't imagine the university can walk away from it obligations without paying a steep price. If that's the case, then the conversation is nothing more than periodic mindless chatter.
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Yes Consigliere, understood - this may be over simplifying it a bit, but subtract seating here (to accommodate field length) and add seating there (where the outfield is now) so the crowd in on both sides appears it could work. Now, how much with that cost and who pays?
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Hey cack sucker, good way to start.
The guy already told me all we need to know about the stadium...
"In all seriousness, as I said before, there isn’t anyone who would enjoy an on-campus stadium more than I would, but it’s not a realistic situation to even discuss. We don’t have the land for it, and if we did have the land, there just isn’t the infrastructure in this place. We’re playing in a first-rate facility that is in the process of only getting better and I’m confident that we’re putting our student-athletes into a premier facility in the country and with the new additions we’re going to put our fans into an environment that will be even better. I’m not going to say it’s going to ever create anything what the Orange Bowl was, because those were special days and games that I would go to at the OB but I think it’s going to create a much different environment and an atmosphere that will much more closely resemble the atmosphere we had at the Orange Bowl."
There are more options than just
A. Stay at Land Shark or whatever
or
B. On-campus stadium
How about a NEAR campus stadium? How about a better stadium than the crap we play at? There are other options and BJ did not address them, he moved them to the side. Too me he won't be the guy to get us what this football program needs, but I would be happy to be wrong.
Also, since you don't know any of the terms of the lease...don't speculate. If you know them, please post them and I will take it back. The whole point of cost goes back to the desire and drive. If the school desires to have their own place, they will start raising the funds and do what is necessary. DS raised a billion bucks pretty darn quick, she could probably raise more if need be.
The university COULD walk away, the question is do they WANT to walk away.
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Maybe the stupid taxpayers would pay it...jk. We would have to pay for it. Just like Tulane paid for their stadium, we A PRIVATE SCHOOL, would have to get funds together and pay for it. DS could get the money together and we could have it done. It would be a dead investment (it is a dead investment) for the City, so let us take over.
How much? I don't know, I am no engineer/architect etc.
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We need what we all know we will never have, an on camups stadium that holds 50-60 thousand people.
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It will never be on campus, but near campus is fine. Why 60K?
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Neither am I, but just for discussion sake let's say the biggest part of the renovation ticket is the structural cost for seating on the outfield side, and the lesser cost is the seating subtraction to accommodate length. Say, 50 million? That's appears to be a very doable number for DS to produce, no? Dome to boot. I'm in.
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Yes. In all honesty $250 Million is doable at our school, DS is a machine with the fundraising stuff. It is more about drive and desire. Does she want this, does the school want this?
Also the money would be recouped eventually, we would make more revenue because we would keep more of the share. We can also have other events take place there, may be an MLS team rents it out from us. Maybe we sell the naming rights like we do at the Basketball Stadium.
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I wonder what went on behind the scenes with the Dolphins and UM. Wonder how much those improvements were played up. It had to have been discussed and I bet it was important to UM because from what I read it would have given us the ability to close off sections and put fans closer to the field making the games look and seem more full. Hopefully with that now falling apart this will light a fire under some people. Probably won't happen but I guess I just can't give up on hope.
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There's talk that the Dolphins might not stay in Miami-Dade. The latest has them going to a new stadium in Palm Beach.
http://www.bizjournals.com/southflo...05/could-the-miami-dolphins-move-to-palm.html
In that case either we could take over Sun Life permanently, we could move with the Dolphins to Palm Beach, or, if they bulldoze Sun Life, it would force the university's hand to either get us in to Marlins Park or some other option.
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55-58k would be ideal. I think in the big games against FSU or if a top, tradition rich team came in the place would be bursting at the seams if it held 55-58k. I think for the other games we would get 40k when we get back into the top 10 consistently.
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