Iowa State cared players played ours quit.

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Do you think he just walked up to coach and said “hey I’m out?” For real?
No, i don’t. I think it was planned. But the definition of “quit” does not change whether it was planned or not.

My opinion is either play the whole game or don’t play at all. I don’t like half way commitment. I don’t think that’s some crazy take either
 
I love Cam. He's an all time Cane. But him playing was far from a selfless move. He 100% played to break Keenum's record. That's a fact. And this is no knock on him but it is true.
I mean, fine, but he broke the record early on in what, his 2nd drive. He kept playing.

Not disagreeing with you but he could’ve bounced after that. He didn’t.
 
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Who quit???

Martinez got hurt and Arroyo played till the end.

They chose to sit Cam.

A lot of defensive players got hurt. Nobody quit in the middle of the game.

If you want to argue that Cam should’ve came in and shoved Emory out of the huddle, different story.

This is not on Cam.
****, Arroyo took himself out at one point cause he got nicked up. No one quit, but there are some serious changes that need to be made.

We lost. We shouldn’t have but we did. The excuse saying players (especially Cam and others who didn’t have to play) quit is ridiculous.

We’re lucky Cam did play, or that game would’ve been a bloodbath.
 
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Cam Ward plays game we win.

Our players quit before game.

why should Iowa State players care more than ours?

Mario inherited worst culture in college football, and only has mildly improved it.
Whose fault is that regarding the culture? I don’t think that’s even true regarding the culture.
 
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Pretty obvious in hindsight cam played to set the record. So we can tone down the praise for him playing
 
I mean, fine, but he broke the record early on in what, his 2nd drive. He kept playing.

Not disagreeing with you but he could’ve bounced after that. He didn’t.

I understand that argument but Gabriel is at 153. He got a nice lead now to actually keep the record.
 
tf ... stop the ward slander ... he was the ONLY player that shouldn't have played, and he did anyway ... cmon now
It’s not slander. Either play the whole game or don’t play and give the reps to the guy that needs it more. This isn’t complicated.
 
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I understand that argument but Gabriel is at 153. He got a nice lead now to actually keep the record.
I didn’t account for Gabriel. Fair!

You would know better but I believe they wanted to see Emory. A half was the plan for Cam.
 
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