Interesting read on OKs new 3-4 defense

[Dwinstitles]

I think we have the horses on D now, maybe not completely at DT yet. Just hope defense executes and live up to their true potential.

We do not have a DL close to what a SEC fields, we are far away IMO.

Didn't know OK was in the SEC.

Never said they did, justt alking bout my canes.

 

[Dwinstitles]

LB play makes this scheme work.

A team like Bama has success because their LBs and Safeties make plays.

Look at Alabama's individual stats. Their DL doesn't do much. I think one guy had 5 sacks, the rest have 2 or 1 or none.

LOL, wrong. Their DT's do a lot. Keep the OL off the LB so they can make plays. Their DT's require double teams. That is what makes this D go.

Yup........until we get great college dts we will struggle. I expect our D to struggle again this year, if you put wilfork on um right now.... DP52 is a first rounder. DTs and DL play make everyone look good.

 

[Coach Macho]

LB play makes this scheme work.

A team like Bama has success because their LBs and Safeties make plays.

Look at Alabama's individual stats. Their DL doesn't do much. I think one guy had 5 sacks, the rest have 2 or 1 or none.

LOL, wrong. Their DT's do a lot. Keep the OL off the LB so they can make plays. Their DT's require double teams. That is what makes this D go.

I meant in terms of production.

The DTs keep OL off the LB, that's exactly right. A lot of people here want DTs that get to the QB every play, which would be nice but wholly unnecessary if you have competent LB play. If LBs are making wrong reads and missing tackles (I'd argue this was the biggest issue on D next to safety play, not the DL) there is no chance of success.

Hard to have competent LB play in the 3-4 if your D-linemen aren't studs.

EVERY defensive scheme starts UP FRONT. That's the most important piece on ANY defense.

 

[Dwinstitles]

LB play makes this scheme work.

A team like Bama has success because their LBs and Safeties make plays.

Look at Alabama's individual stats. Their DL doesn't do much. I think one guy had 5 sacks, the rest have 2 or 1 or none.

LOL, wrong. Their DT's do a lot. Keep the OL off the LB so they can make plays. Their DT's require double teams. That is what makes this D go.

I meant in terms of production.

The DTs keep OL off the LB, that's exactly right. A lot of people here want DTs that get to the QB every play, which would be nice but wholly unnecessary if you have competent LB play. If LBs are making wrong reads and missing tackles (I'd argue this was the biggest issue on D next to safety play, not the DL) there is no chance of success.

Hard to have competent LB play in the 3-4 if your D-linemen aren't studs.

EVERY defensive scheme starts UP FRONT. That's the most important piece on ANY defense.

This.

I still cant understand y most fans do not understand this, fsu has JW but without that DL they wouldnt be good. Look at TAMU great qb n blew because of the DL.

 

[AUcane]

Do we have to go through this again? I don't think anyone is saying 3-4 does/doesn't work. What people have been saying is that the 3-4 combined with the "talent" on this team makes it inefficient. Square peg/round hole issue.

 

[Coach Macho]

Miami runs the same stuff that's featured on that OU article.

 

[MIATL513]

Except, I think they have recruited to CHANGE THE ROSTER TO FIT THEIR scheme. Thus, my reference to them "being perceived to be smarter" when the talent develops enough to get results.

How so?

Some fans keep knocking "the scheme" because they are too focused on the end result.

Like somehow, after the defense has success, it's because Coach D and Golden got significantly smarter.

No doubt, they will get smarter. But more talent and experience also makes coaches look smarter.

Talent has not been in place to make this scheme look the way it's supposed to look. And as opposed to just keeping a system to fit the roster, the staff has taught their scheme, and hoped the players could deliver.
Some of the issues with the D has been talent ... It's also been youth. But the scheme we're trying to do has promise. It allows the same personnel to play odd or even fronts, and with the bigger safeties, allows the nickel to still stop the run.

And before anybody cites the "players before plays" mantra ... That means you run what the players can do best in the scheme, not that you completely adjust the scheme to the players.

LOL, I don't think I've seen someone disprove themselves in single post before...

For 3 years they have not gotten smarter. You highlighted why.

 

[Miami82]

LOL, dude they don't get a pass for the last 3 years of forcing their square peg round hole and having 2 of the worst D's in the history of the U!!!

There is nothing intelligent about that. Nothing!

Except, I think they have recruited to CHANGE THE ROSTER TO FIT THEIR scheme. Thus, my reference to them "being perceived to be smarter" when the talent develops enough to get results.

How so?

Some fans keep knocking "the scheme" because they are too focused on the end result.

Like somehow, after the defense has success, it's because Coach D and Golden got significantly smarter.

No doubt, they will get smarter. But more talent and experience also makes coaches look smarter.

Talent has not been in place to make this scheme look the way it's supposed to look. And as opposed to just keeping a system to fit the roster, the staff has taught their scheme, and hoped the players could deliver.
Some of the issues with the D has been talent ... It's also been youth. But the scheme we're trying to do has promise. It allows the same personnel to play odd or even fronts, and with the bigger safeties, allows the nickel to still stop the run.

And before anybody cites the "players before plays" mantra ... That means you run what the players can do best in the scheme, not that you completely adjust the scheme to the players.

LOL, I don't think I've seen someone disprove themselves in single post before...

For 3 years they have not gotten smarter. You highlighted why.

 

[MIATL513]

I agree with A.

But B is message board rhetoric that has been repeated so often, that people think it's fact. It isn't.

South Florida can produce the DT, DE, LB, and DB required for this D. And NT is hard to find, no matter where you are, so South Florida is no different than any other place.

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Some fans keep knocking "the scheme" because they are too focused on the end result.

Like somehow, after the defense has success, it's because Coach D and Golden got significantly smarter.

No doubt, they will get smarter. But more talent and experience also makes coaches look smarter.

Talent has not been in place to make this scheme look the way it's supposed to look. And as opposed to just keeping a system to fit the roster, the staff has taught their scheme, and hoped the players could deliver.

Some of the issues with the D has been talent ... It's also been youth. But the scheme we're trying to do has promise. It allows the same personnel to play odd or even fronts, and with the bigger safeties, allows the nickel to still stop the run.

And before anybody cites the "players before plays" mantra ... That means you run what the players can do best in the scheme, not that you completely adjust the scheme to the players.

Wrong, most bash the scheme b/c A we didn't have the players to run it and B) b/c 4-3 personnel is much more abundant in South Florida[/QUOTE]

 

[MIATL513]

Agree. No pass on the results.

My "smarter" reference is about the perception change when/if the talent matches the scheme. I'm not debating the past, because the numbers don't like.

But the future is still in question, so it's still up for debate.

LOL, dude they don't get a pass for the last 3 years of forcing their square peg round hole and having 2 of the worst D's in the history of the U!!!

There is nothing intelligent about that. Nothing!

Except, I think they have recruited to CHANGE THE ROSTER TO FIT THEIR scheme. Thus, my reference to them "being perceived to be smarter" when the talent develops enough to get results.

How so?

LOL, I don't think I've seen someone disprove themselves in single post before...

For 3 years they have not gotten smarter. You highlighted why.

 

[Miami82]

They have a plan, it isn't a smart plan. CFB is all about immediate results, or at least improvement.

Agree. No pass on the results.

My "smarter" reference is about the perception change when/if the talent matches the scheme. I'm not debating the past, because the numbers don't like.

But the future is still in question, so it's still up for debate.

LOL, dude they don't get a pass for the last 3 years of forcing their square peg round hole and having 2 of the worst D's in the history of the U!!!

There is nothing intelligent about that. Nothing!

Except, I think they have recruited to CHANGE THE ROSTER TO FIT THEIR scheme. Thus, my reference to them "being perceived to be smarter" when the talent develops enough to get results.

How so?

For 3 years they have not gotten smarter. You highlighted why.